Full Minors Roster for '09

[Foo4Everlong]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

Just wondering, where did you find your scouting reports for players? Because I was looking at some of the changes you made on the pitches guys throw, and some of them don’t seem to be right. I’ll just use the Mets since I’m a Met fan. The biggest think you seemed to do is take anyone with a sinking fastball and simply make it a sinker, which I understand, but it stops these guys from ever pitching high, and some of them do so. So I as hoping you could tell me where you got them from so I can fix these guys. For example:

Pelfrey – You took away his straight fastball and made it a sinker, giving him nothing to throw high, he does have a straight fastball in his repertoire, his fastball really only sinks when he throws it low
Ollie – Scrapped his 4 seamer leaving only a 2 seamer (I think he does throw a 4 as well)
Livan – Got rid of his 4 seamer (he does throw one in addition to the sinker), made his 12-6 a plain curve (the 12-6 is more accurate IMHO), replaced his slider with a slurve (I actually like that), if you do want to take away his 4 seamer, you should at least add the ephus
Niese – Made his 12-6 a plain curve (not sure about that, I think the 12-6 is a bit better), made his runner and 2 seamer a 4 seamer and a cutter (don’t really understand that, he does have a pitch that tails away from him, whether it’s a 2 seamer or a runner), made his split a change (good move, better represents the velocity)
Redding – Made his 12-6 a curve and his slurve a slider (not sure I agree with either of those)
Figueroa – Change his fastball from 4 seams to 2 (not quite sure about that, I’ve seen it tail, cut, and go straight, so I’m not really sure what he should have, maybe a 4 and a 2?)
Parnell – Didn’t add his new splitter (understandably), scrapped his 4 seamer (don’t understand that at all, he does throw one, or at least he throws a straight fastball)
Stokes – Gave him a knuckler (I’ve never seen him throw that, I have seen him throw curves, which you took away)
Rodriguez – Scrapped his 2, not sure I understand that, and you made his slider a cutter when in reality it IS an extremely fast slider, not a cutter
Kunz, Green, Feliciano – Took away their fastballs leaving them sinkers, only one who I MIGHT understand that with is Green

LOL, unfortunately it seems there's a lot of this going around. I think the main problem is these websites that are being used are not all on the same page with respect to posting a particular pitcher's repertoire. Some say split, some say fork. Some say sinker, some say 2-seam. I spent a while fixing the Red Sox. I mean to not give Daisuke a 4-seam or a 2-seam is ridiculous. I know he uses a lot of pitches, but to use a cutter over a 4-seam or 2-seam is beyond me. Okajima throws a forkball and not a spit, it's what they call his "Okie Dokie." Lester threw a "one-seam" quite a bit last year, which is essentially a 2-seam with one finger. Ultimately that pitch has sink, so Lester really needs a 2-seam in his repertoire. And I'm still unsure what the "Running FB" does. If someone could explain that it would be great. I assumed that it was a pitch only thrown up the zone. Josh Beckett also throws a circle change and not just a regular change. Now I do agree with some, but not all. I know some of u are gonna laugh at this suggestion but Wikipedia actually does a pretty great job with pitches and speed. They also explain a lot of times where a player learned the particular pitch and so on. Give it a try you'd be surprised how spot on a lot of it is. Later

[ThirdDegree5803]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

I have noticed the same thing with pitchers in the Reds organization...not a single pitcher in the rotation throws a 4-seamer...I think Micah Owings pitchers, along with Cueto are right on...however Aaron Harang, Arroyo, and Volquez have been messed up a little...(using Lindy's baseball preview mag as a reference, plus watching the pitchers myself)

[strut24]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

alright guys its almost 5am and I have to work tomorrow, just spent a good 4-5 hours doing 2 more teams. I still have to do the NL Central, West and the Phillies. Its getting a little better w/ mlb.tv now but still takes a lot of time.

As for your guys' comments regarding the pitch type edits, this is similar as to what RAZR, myself and a few others worked out using MLB.com's gameday feature and we tracked everyone's speeds, breaks and pitch types. I have not looked at the rosters and agree that nearly every pitcher should have a at least a 4 or 2 seam fastball. Perhaps this can be fixed by changing all the "cutters" listed as guys #1 pitch like it seems for Dice K, change those to 4 seam fastballs w/ a ton of movement and maybe add the cutter as a pitch somewhere else, etc. I will PM razr and see if he (cuz i think he did the edits) is up to tweaking some things, but overall I agree w/ both points of view. Its a bit unrealistic to not see a 4 or 2 seam fastball for Dice K or any Reds pitcher and yet on the other hand, its good to see a lot of variety in the pitch types so when you play as different pitchers it actually FEELS different every time. I think with tweaks, it's a good thing to have the pitch types

[strut24]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

now that I think about it, it might helpful to start a thread or in this thread, since we seem to have a at least a few "team" experts, maybe if people post guys they KNOW have certain pitches, that would help w/ some tweaks. like the beckett example, if you KNOW he throws a circle change, then post it up and hopefully we can change his regular change to a circle change before we release this bad boy. Again, keep in mind, this was researched for most of the pitches using mlb.com's gameday I believe, assuming it was done like it was last year, so a lot of their info IS right

[JohnnyC5252]

You work for the Orlando paper? Do you remeber a game that worked in Miami named Walter Villa?

[KLima878]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

Forgive me but I did some searching and couldn't find this. I'm wondering if these rosters have all the fully named minors but only the top 100 faces? Or are the minors names not finished? Thanks

[levalution]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

Forgive me but I did some searching and couldn't find this. I'm wondering if these rosters have all the fully named minors but only the top 100 faces? Or are the minors names not finished? Thanks

minors not finished....ETA for everything to be done is sometime next weekend to mid following week.

[bellz666]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

I have noticed the same thing with pitchers in the Reds organization...not a single pitcher in the rotation throws a 4-seamer...I think Micah Owings pitchers, along with Cueto are right on...however Aaron Harang, Arroyo, and Volquez have been messed up a little...(using Lindy's baseball preview mag as a reference, plus watching the pitchers myself)

Yeah this is odd...I played 4 games with the Braves, none of the first four pitchers throws a 4 seamer as their number one pitch...

[markpmitch]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

I don't think this has been answered, but is the stock roster set going to have the stock pitches for everybody?

[zippy2212]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

I don't think this has been answered, but is the stock roster set going to have the stock pitches for everybody?

I believe your answer is yes. If I remember/read correctly. Knight and Co. will release a set where they don't touch any attributes or pitch types. Whatever SCEA gave them that is what they will have.

[theotherguy619]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

Nobody on the Reds, and the first 4 starters on the Braves, do not throw a primary fastball that does not move.

You can change it if you want, but that's the way they will be on Knight's rosters.

[Yankee5752]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

when the final rosters are released, is there anyway someone can post an announcement on the main page of the MLB 09 boards?

i only ask because it does take just about forever to find anything in this thread, and a nice official announcement that is completely separate from this thread would be a more efficient way of spreading the word through the community. it also might even be a good place for all the guys who worked on the rosters to look for feedback on the final product instead of sifting through over 200 pages of pre-release posts. just a thought...

[Rump]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

few misses on the reds...chris valakia ss and neftali soto 3b are a couple pretty good procpects. Also on the 25 man...darnell mcdonald is platooning in LF and CF. Jeff keppinger was traded to the astros as well. Other than that great job love the player rating adjustments...pretty accurate. Thanks Knight keep it up!

[Knight165]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

few misses on the reds...chris valakia ss and neftali soto 3b are a couple pretty good procpects. Also on the 25 man...darnell mcdonald is platooning in LF and CF. Jeff keppinger was traded to the astros as well. Other than that great job love the player rating adjustments...pretty accurate. Thanks Knight keep it up!

Which ones did you download....?
I know those guys are on there and Keppinger has been moved.

As for the pitches...I'll let Razr & Co. expand on it.....but we are trying to get the pitchers in the game to be more representative of the way their pitches actually move in real life.
Don't get hung up on the name of the pitch.
Think of it like this....if I give you an orange...call it an orange...but it's really an apple....is that really what makes you happy? If I renamed the pitches to 4 Seamer...would that work for you?!
But that being said...I don't do the research on the pitchers....so I hope Razr comes in and elaborates.

Thanks..

M.K.
Knight165

[footballislife]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

Hey Knight are you releasing the Dodgers this AM or will it be later 2nite? I was going to do a few test runs to get use to the offseason and will hold off until later if you are almost finished with them. Thanks man