Fictional Rosters

[Go!Cubs!Go!]

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you guys completely changed my rosters? what for? i understand when i put music artists but taking me and my brother out of the giants was wrong were still fictional it just doesnt say our last name...the ratings were in par with all others teams yet some were changed? i thought you guys wouldnt mind because i posted and no one wrote back..this is hurtfull i devoted a lot of time to that..yeah its just a video game roster but i still take a bit of pride in my art...now i have to spend a whole night finding all the changes to get my teams back to where they were...in case you cared i added my bro and i because baseball has long been about brothers and father son combos both which i represented in that team...i was just giving it charecter because the generic roster from ootp wasnt realistic enough to be considered..thanks for all the other teams and keeping the son of the father son combo in there

i think that im going to re-haul these rosters to give them a more authentic baseball feel these feel wrong to me the stats seem too low and teams dont have a personality per se..so im gonna go about this using your wonderfully crafted teams and change some names just because i dont like how generic this is...if you wanna know how im doin this just drop me a pm..slugg if you ever find yourself bored and in a roster mood let me know this will take me some time because of a new work schedule...

McClure Did respond to this. He said he wanted to steer away from personal flavor because not everyone (including me) wanted that. I think what makes these rosters so awesome is that they are so malleable. slugg and RMAC laid out a great base set that people can now mold and shape into the most personal universe you can get on a VG Console. It's a great change of pace for me from OOTP.

As far as the lack of elite players....who cares?!!? Make some!!! Thats whats soooo awesome. You can do whatever you want. It's so badass.

All I have to say about revamping is that if any people post their rosters make sure that credit is given to the guys that did the work on this one.

They're great. As soon as my damn in laws are gone...i have serious date with The Show!

[Knight165]

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I like that there are not too many "elite" players....because as the drafts come up...there will be plenty.

I haven't had a chance to draft and play yet...but thank you for completing these.

M.K.
Knight165

[sluggbugg]

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Here is a look at some stats from one of the test franchises I ran, that i just happened to save. This is from the 2012 season and stats get a little better each year. Not a HUGE jump, but they did improve each year.

NL Batting Leader
Richard Harp Wash. .335 *The highest batting avg. through 2015 was .385 but that was and anomaly, but on avg the avg rose.*
15 hitters .300 or better

NL HR Leader
Arturo Valentin Atl. 43 *There was one season were a couple hitters hit in the low 50's, the number of 30 rose a little each year*
10 hitters 30 or better

NL RBI Leader
Arturo Valentin Atl. 119 *The highest I recall was 151*
6 hitters 100 or better

NL SB Leader
Benjamin Betemit Stl. 66
Johnny Couture Atl. 66 *This was the biggest jump. The avg stayed about the same but the leader jumped to 80 one year and 101 one year*
4 runners 50 or better

NL Wins Leader
Dan Williams SF 19-6 *This was never higher than 20*
8 pitchers with 15 or better

NL Saves Leader
Vic Lawlor COL 52 *This never really changed*
12 pitchers with 40 or better

NL ERA Leader
Dan Williams SF 2.59 *The avg ERA rose every year, by 2015 there were only 3-4 3.00*
7 pitchers 3.00 or better

*The AL was always a little higher than the NL due to the DH*

AL Batting Leader
James Rodriquez LAA .337
12 hitters .300 or better

AL HR Leader
James Rodriquez LAA 52 (next closest to him was 42)
12 hitters with 30 or better

AL RBI Leader
James Rodriquez LAA 151 (next closest 131) He also won Runs scored, hits, Slug and OPS (Shojiro Oawa Balt. was 2nd in all the above categories won by J-Rod!)
6 hitters with 100 or better

AL SB Leader
David Stein NYY 63
5 runners with 50 or better

AL Win Leader
Pai-Ro Chen Balt. 20-1
Jack Barfield Tor 20-3
12 pitchers 15 or better

AL Saves Leader
Melvin Garner Oak 54
9 pitchers 40 or better

AL ERA Leader
Jack Barfield Tor 2.47
7 pitchers 3.00 or better

I was happy with the season stats but I don't know how they compare with simming a season with SCEA rosters.

Anyway there is some info for the rest of you guys that I sent to RM.

[sluggbugg]

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Also all of the GHOSTS were completely retired by the offseason before the 2015 season.

[raleigh mcclure]

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Sluggbugg,

Thanks for doing all of this testing. That actually looks pretty good as far as I'm concerned. The stolen base totals make me wonder just a bit about the Base Running Ability ratings which I decreased for a lot of players but the OOTP roster was just much higher than the SCEA roster. There might be a much more direct relationship between Base Running Ability and stolen base totals in the Show than in OOTP.

Also, I just wanted to mention that I responded to Mr. Random privately, so even though it seems like his post was just hanging in the air, I did respond to him.

And I just responded to Sluggbugg with something, and I figured this is more information that people might find useful.

Well, I think what you noticed about the AAA guys seeming too high and what others noticed about some of the elite players seeming too low are connected.

TripleThreat explained that he took averages for ratings from MLB starters and made changes to the OOTP roster based on that. So his spreadsheet got averages right. But all that means is that across the entire league the numbers around average and above and below average all work out. What I don't think his spreadsheet got right was the way the points are distributed across the spectrum.

To try and put it an easy way: say I have a league with 5 players in it with an average rating of 50. It could break down like this:

Players:
A = 25
B = 25
C = 50
D = 75
E = 75

Or it could break down like this:

A = 0
B = 25
C = 50
D = 75
E = 100

I think we ended up with something closer to the first version. There are enough points on either side of average (I know TripleThreat had minimums and maximums for range) in order to keep the average correct. As you can see above, however, in the second version the points are spread out more. What I think our roster needs is some higher quality "elite" players made from some of the current "above average" players. That will thin out that middle cluster of players. On the other side of the range, in order to maintain the average, some of the "average" to "below average" players need to be pulled down. That would help the problem you noticed with the AAA squads being too good.

Also, working from the average as TripleThreat did doesn't control for total population. That means that even if we line up the fictional players' averages with the SCEA players' averages, we'll still get a discrepancy if the SCEA averages were pulled from a pool of 50 "elite" players and our spreadsheet uses that same average to generate 100 "elite" players. Our rosters will quickly get out of hand. If we hadn't been in such a rush to get that first hitters spreadsheet out, I would have liked to edit it and whittle down the number of players we had in order to control for some of these problems.

Anyways, what we ended up with is pretty darn good. It's probably just in need of some tightening here and there, which I can do over the next several weeks or so.

I'll have to wait until I have a bit more time, but I will get a credits page up on the first post of the thread. And a few pages ago someone mentioned that he'd be willing to host the roster file on his website. There might be some sort of time limit as to how long Sendspace holds the files before they're deleted (I could be wrong about this). If that's so, then I would love to take that kind person up on his offer. I just can't remember his screen name off the top of my head. If you can just take the file and put it up, that'd be great. Then just post and let us know. If you need me to do something, just PM me or something. Otherwise, I'll flip back and see who it was that said that if I don't hear anything.

OK, that's it...

RM

[mph2k]

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Just downloaded the rosters and they look great. Can't wait to start a franchise with this. Thanks to all the guys that took there time working on these.

[sluggbugg]

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Glad you like'em mph2k.

Spencer Roberson CP for Chi Whitesox was hitting 101mph against me! :O

[MR.RANDOM]

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im sorry i did that rant i was frustraded because of work...ive already started making it the way i intended...thanks again for your rosters

[Trues]

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Sluggbugg,

Thanks for doing all of this testing. That actually looks pretty good as far as I'm concerned. The stolen base totals make me wonder just a bit about the Base Running Ability ratings which I decreased for a lot of players but the OOTP roster was just much higher than the SCEA roster. There might be a much more direct relationship between Base Running Ability and stolen base totals in the Show than in OOTP.

Also, I just wanted to mention that I responded to Mr. Random privately, so even though it seems like his post was just hanging in the air, I did respond to him.

And I just responded to Sluggbugg with something, and I figured this is more information that people might find useful.



I'll have to wait until I have a bit more time, but I will get a credits page up on the first post of the thread. And a few pages ago someone mentioned that he'd be willing to host the roster file on his website. There might be some sort of time limit as to how long Sendspace holds the files before they're deleted (I could be wrong about this). If that's so, then I would love to take that kind person up on his offer. I just can't remember his screen name off the top of my head. If you can just take the file and put it up, that'd be great. Then just post and let us know. If you need me to do something, just PM me or something. Otherwise, I'll flip back and see who it was that said that if I don't hear anything.

OK, that's it...

RM

Here's a link to the rosters. Glad I could help.

Fictional Rosters

[raleigh mcclure]

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Here's a link to the rosters. Glad I could help.

Fictional Rosters

Great! Thanks Trues! Sorry I was too lazy to look up your screen name.

[MR.RANDOM]

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PSN is up get this great work of yours vaulted

[sluggbugg]

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Random, I will say one thing, your facework is amazing!

I'm going back and doing some "appearance" edits for a future version. Just tweaking some appearances here and there to give guys a little more individuality. As I do that and I look over the teams you did again, RM and I have already discusssed it in PM's, the work you did on appearances is top-notch.

[MR.RANDOM]

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i take pride in my art lol my brother the old sf LF i spent part of two days on alone..i didnt even start on me because i had to get it in..

anyway i got your roster but it wont let me export players out of it saying " no saved data" did you get this issue

[sluggbugg]

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I did have that issue at one point for some reason. I don't even remember the situation. I think I ended up restarting the game or reloading the roster and it worked then. Some kind of glitch I suppose. Hopefully it will fix itself. It did with me.

[MR.RANDOM]

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get this i downloaded the new firmware set a new password logged in and started up the show..then came to post here and my system turnded itself off now i cant even use it..i turn it on and try and eject the show and it starts to but then starts flashing red..im heated at sony right now

update: my system is dead (it did the green-yellow-green-red flash pattern) and if i re-send it to sony i have to pay $100!! aint doin that! anyone know where the cheapest one is for sale in stores today?