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  • TheRunAndShoot
    MVP
    • Sep 2008
    • 1177

    #46
    Re: 2012 OSFM: Seattle Mariners

    Originally posted by WSUCougars
    Ok, in MLB 11 it was called Generic 9... hopefully its the same number in 12
    I think Adam LaRoche looks better. Stances, motions, equipment all that stuff wont be in this first edition of the roster per Knight's guidelines. They should be in a version a couple weeks after though.

    Originally posted by Apostle
    Hopefully RunAndShoot and I will be coordinating how we're going to pass the roster file back and forth tonight.
    This is in reply to both posts and both PMs. You're putting the cart before the horse on this one.

    Yes I'd already started I've got a bunch of the C/D level guys that are locks so that was time well spent. As fun as it is to do the sexy prospects first its not really practical as we haven't reached a consensus on many of the proper potentials. We've still yet to determine the proper potentials for a number of guys and by reading the main thread ksig might be doing the top guys, i've PMd him to see whats up with that.

    I am in no rush to finish this quickly, the file will be completed well in time for knight. If your not on board with the pragmatic approach youre welcome to do your own file.

    Based on my knowledge of the system and the fact that your gotta dig up scouting reports on some of these guys you might be better served in a Q/A or Controller type of role.

    Originally posted by BlingBlaine
    Carlos guillen just retired this morning
    Yes, another roster spot!!!

    Originally posted by DaronAndrew
    I'm having trouble seeing Paxton as an A. I know his numbers were sick last year (especially his K rates, along with Walker's). But he doesn't strike me as being an A (phenom) type prospect. Quite frankly neither does Hulzten...but I feel better about the #2 overall pick being an A than a 4th rounder. I know, that really shouldn't have much bearing on their potential...but there is a disparity in value there, even if it's...eh, a little subjective.

    I feel more comfortable with him in the B grouping, leaving Hulzten & Walker as our lone A's. I understand if the majority doesn't agree. I'm interested to see discussion, though.

    Franklin seems to me to be the only sure fire B position player. Catricala is a cusp guy, but he's got to have earned it with his numbers. I could see Pimintel there. Fransisco Martinez is on the cusp of B-dom along with Castillo, but as Apostle pointed out, it's tough to justify a B rating for these younger bats. I think objectively, Pimintel is probably seen to have the highest ceiling out of all these guys.

    This is how I see the top of the system

    A
    Taijuan Walker
    Danny Hultzen


    B
    James Paxton
    Nick Franklin
    Guillermo Pimintel
    Vincent Catricala
    Victor Sanchez


    C
    Phillips Castillo
    Fransisco Martinez
    Carter Capps
    Carlos Triunfel
    Brad Miller
    John Hicks


    etc...
    Well the Jays thought highly enough of Paxton to take him in the sandwich round in 09. I ran a quick sim of franchise to see how guys progress after a yr, and I'd put him as a B which reflects his OFP of a #2/3 or closer.

    Hultzen could probably remains an A b/c of the similar ceiling and being slightly less risky.

    RE: Catricala, this is a toughy. Dude can flat hit but he'd be so much better if he could stick at 3rd. Liddi is a B, but you could argue he could be a D. I'd prefer to have him a C, but as far as position players go, young guys that profile as being everyday starters even if they're 2nd division one tend to have B potential on SCEA's rosters.

    We might have to get creative in the way potentials are gonna be issued though. Pimentel could be a B but he's kinda a one tool player atm, who needs to learn how to hit. I think if you'd make Martinez a B I'd be pretty content with how you've got em.
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    • TheRunAndShoot
      MVP
      • Sep 2008
      • 1177

      #47
      Re: 2012 OSFM: Seattle Mariners

      Originally posted by jeshuabuchanan
      All very valid points Daron! Another little bit of food for thought. Any thoughts on Jack Marder? He might be a fun one to throw in...I know he's young and was just drafted last year, but this could be someone that would be cool to have in the game as a future catcher if we are going deep into franchise mode or RTTS
      He'll in the file definetly. Him, Littlewood, and Marlette all kinda profile about the same with differing risks for each of em.
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      • jeshuabuchanan
        Rookie
        • Sep 2011
        • 23

        #48
        Re: 2012 OSFM: Seattle Mariners

        Originally posted by TheRunAndShoot
        He'll in the file definetly. Him, Littlewood, and Marlette all kinda profile about the same with differing risks for each of em.
        Love it! Another guy we haven't heard much chatter about is your former Husky, Forrest Snow...do we have any projections for him? I'm thinking a C. He threw amazing in the Arizona Fall League, but got tore up a little in Tacoma.

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        • mackdiesel85
          Rookie
          • Mar 2012
          • 1

          #49
          Re: 2012 OSFM: Seattle Mariners

          Originally posted by jeshuabuchanan
          Love it! Another guy we haven't heard much chatter about is your former Husky, Forrest Snow...do we have any projections for him? I'm thinking a C. He threw amazing in the Arizona Fall League, but got tore up a little in Tacoma.
          C sounds good. He also got smashed in High Desert which is to be expected from such a hitters league. Looking deeper into his Tacoma numbers I think his poor ERA is really just poor luck. A 1.25 WHIP and 36 Ks in 35.1 innings for a 23 year old in Triple A. This is just a personal opinion but I think he's going to be pretty good (coming from a Coug haha).

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          • jeshuabuchanan
            Rookie
            • Sep 2011
            • 23

            #50
            Re: 2012 OSFM: Seattle Mariners

            Originally posted by mackdiesel85
            C sounds good. He also got smashed in High Desert which is to be expected from such a hitters league. Looking deeper into his Tacoma numbers I think his poor ERA is really just poor luck. A 1.25 WHIP and 36 Ks in 35.1 innings for a 23 year old in Triple A. This is just a personal opinion but I think he's going to be pretty good (coming from a Coug haha).
            Good thoughts Cecil...glad you could join us!

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            • TheRunAndShoot
              MVP
              • Sep 2008
              • 1177

              #51
              Re: 2012 OSFM: Seattle Mariners

              Lol can't believe we haven't mentioned the two Japanese guys yet.

              Iwakuma: C
              Kawasaki: D

              Does that sound right? Iwakuma could be a D and that would ensure hes only around a couple yrs.
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              • TheKnack
                Contributor
                • Aug 2011
                • 758

                #52
                Re: 2012 OSFM: Seattle Mariners

                I can't see Iwakuma any higher than a D. At 30 or 31 years old with average stuff, this ceiling isn't very high.

                Kawasaki has to be a D as well... kid just cannot hit.

                I want to make an argument for Stephen Pryor and Carter Capps to be B's. Pryor is drawing rave reviews from absolutely every site I've read and Capps is flying through the system for being drafted so recently. He is certainly the closer of the future.

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                • TheKnack
                  Contributor
                  • Aug 2011
                  • 758

                  #53
                  Re: 2012 OSFM: Seattle Mariners

                  I'll also check out the Adam Laroche stance tonight

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                  • Jason_19
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 1713

                    #54
                    Re: 2012 OSFM: Seattle Mariners

                    Hultzen is definitely an A. I would also have Walker and Paxton as A players. I would also say that Iwakuma is definitely a C, especially when you look at how SCEA rates player's potential ratings.

                    I can see why some people see him as a B, but when you look at who The Show rates as A players (Chris Tillman, Danny Duffy, Carl Pavano, Edwin Jackson, R.A. Dickey, Miguel Batista, Jordan Lyles, Rubby de la Rosa, Dellin Betances, et cetera), Paxton is definitely deserving of an A. As for The Show's B starting pitchers, they have a ton of lower grade C players as B's.

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                    • DaronAndrew
                      RIP Dave
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 120

                      #55
                      Re: 2012 OSFM: Seattle Mariners

                      Well I'm down with Paxton as an A then! Seems like most people want him there. And yeah, I had a momentary lapse remembering that the Jays had drafted him where they did.

                      Good discussion here! The M's minors are in great hands.

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                      • spit_bubble
                        MVP
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 3292

                        #56
                        Re: 2012 OSFM: Seattle Mariners

                        Paxton's upside is pretty high, and always has been. His being drafted late, if you can even call the 4th round late, was more due to his circumstance than his talent. He's definitely closer to an A than a B that's for sure.

                        I also think Hultzen is a safe A. He could be a front end starter for a long time.

                        Franklin? Eh... High B at best, so B seems right.

                        And Walker is an obvious A.

                        My 2 cents.
                        All ties severed...

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                        • TheRunAndShoot
                          MVP
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 1177

                          #57
                          Re: 2012 OSFM: Seattle Mariners

                          Originally posted by Apostle
                          Love the arrogance and the condescending reply. I will just wait for your file because like I said, I think you'll do a great job. I was only wanting to help, considering I played a huge part in the M's system for the OSFM set last year. My bad for checking out scouting reports - it does get tough remembering all of the different velocities on Danny Hultzen's four or five pitches. But I'll happily bow out of this project and to your knowledge of the system.

                          I digress. Have at it bud, this is your show.
                          Whatever, you were right the first time when you said that you've been on edge all week.

                          If the scouting report remark is still sticking in your craw, I was saying that b/c it'd be a waste of time. All that stuff is in a spreadsheet that I keep forgetting on my flash drive at work, which jeshua has seen a much, much earlier draft of. Since so many people wanna take part in the project I've been compiling as much data as possible and putting it into a readable form were the spreadsheet and roster file can be past around together and with proper scheduling we could get the file done in no more than a day or twos worth of work.

                          Lastly, go back and read the earlier PM correspondence we had during this process... Does that sound like an arrogant & condescending person to you? I'm just trying to build a collaborative project were people can share their passion and have fun doing so.

                          DO NOT BOTHER REPLYING TO THIS. IF YOU'VE STILL GOT BEEF. DO SO OVER PM'S.
                          The only arguments people should be getting into in this thread should be about just how amazing Taijuan Walker is going to be.
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                          • TheRunAndShoot
                            MVP
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 1177

                            #58
                            Re: 2012 OSFM: Seattle Mariners

                            Originally posted by Jason_19
                            Hultzen is definitely an A. I would also have Walker and Paxton as A players. I would also say that Iwakuma is definitely a C, especially when you look at how SCEA rates player's potential ratings.

                            I can see why some people see him as a B, but when you look at who The Show rates as A players (Chris Tillman, Danny Duffy, Carl Pavano, Edwin Jackson, R.A. Dickey, Miguel Batista, Jordan Lyles, Rubby de la Rosa, Dellin Betances, et cetera), Paxton is definitely deserving of an A. As for The Show's B starting pitchers, they have a ton of lower grade C players as B's.
                            I agree with you but I touched base with ksig earlier and said Paxton is a B, so that's what we're gonna have to go with. Walker and Hultzen get A's though.

                            He'll hit me up on this meebo bar thing that I had blocked when he gets back on.

                            The file will probably be ready to start passing around this weekend.
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                            • TheRunAndShoot
                              MVP
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 1177

                              #59
                              Re: 2012 OSFM: Seattle Mariners

                              One more thing, over the next couple of days if somebody or multiple people want to start getting stances/motions for prospects (not just the top guys) I'd really appreciate it.

                              I know it'd make things much easier if I have my spreadsheet of 100 for people to work off of. So I'm gonna try to remember to bring my drive home w/me tomorrow.

                              (I'm going 10 over the 90-man limit just in case more people retire, get cut, traded, etc. should prove to be beneficial come September at the very least)
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                              • jeshuabuchanan
                                Rookie
                                • Sep 2011
                                • 23

                                #60
                                Re: 2012 OSFM: Seattle Mariners

                                RunAndShoot....how are things coming so far? Let me know where I can be of assistance and HOW to be of assistance, since this is my first time...and I'll do what I can when I get some free time.

                                JB

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