2012 OSFM: Seattle Mariners

[ltw0303cavs]

Re: 2012 OSFM: Seattle Mariners

Just going by BA grades if your 65 or above are A's 100 percent. 60 or 55 a B. SO going by that to me Walker and Hultzen are A's , Paxton a B. I will say though Paxton's numbers remind me of Matt Moore's but we will see. Walker has a chance to be the next Dwight Gooden but with the makeup of Doc Halladay. He could be the #1 prospect next year overall

[TheRunAndShoot]

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RunAndShoot....how are things coming so far? Let me know where I can be of assistance and HOW to be of assistance, since this is my first time...and I'll do what I can when I get some free time.

JB

well, i can send you over the file if you wanna check it out, as well as the spreadsheet i've been working off of. and let me know what ya think, imo i might have a few too many C's.

I'm still having an hard time debating whether or not Pimentel or Castillo should get the last B. Thoughts? Right now it's Pimentel but I'm not sure, lol.

The only face I've done is Victor Sanchez is took forever to find a picture off, I ended up having to use two venezuelan web sites. Haven't touched too many ratings other than the 2 japanese guys, and messed with the equipment/stances for a handful of guys.

I've got 7 open spots left for players but like 15 that I'd like to get in. Most of it depends on what the final 40-man roster looks like, which of the NRI's get picked up and how severe Adam Moore's injury is. (I've got 9 Catchers and only one at AAA, ideally you'd want 2-3 at AAA)

[TheRunAndShoot]

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Just going by BA grades if your 65 or above are A's 100 percent. 60 or 55 a B. SO going by that to me Walker and Hultzen are A's , Paxton a B. I will say though Paxton's numbers remind me of Matt Moore's but we will see. Walker has a chance to be the next Dwight Gooden but with the makeup of Doc Halladay. He could be the #1 prospect next year overall

that's kinda what I went off of, ksig made the final call on the big three though.

[DaronAndrew]

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If either of those guys should be a B, I would think Pimintel deserves the nod. Tough call, but I would feel more comfortable with him at B potential than C.

If you guys haven't seen, this is a super encouraging article for M's fans

You have to be an insider...if you aren't & would like the text posted here let me know. It's not real long & is worth a read.

[TheRunAndShoot]

Re: 2012 OSFM: Seattle Mariners

If either of those guys should be a B, I would think Pimintel deserves the nod. Tough call, but I would feel more comfortable with him at B potential than C.

If you guys haven't seen, this is a super encouraging article for M's fans

You have to be an insider...if you aren't & would like the text posted here let me know. It's not real long & is worth a read.

B it is then, wanna check out what i've got? i've only done a few ratings, been mostly working on faces/equipment for the past couple hours.

http://fourseamimages.photoshelter.com/

Is $$$$ but some of the images are a yr or two old. If thats the case there's usually something on mlblogs.

[TheRunAndShoot]

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If either of those guys should be a B, I would think Pimintel deserves the nod. Tough call, but I would feel more comfortable with him at B potential than C.

If you guys haven't seen, this is a super encouraging article for M's fans

You have to be an insider...if you aren't & would like the text posted here let me know. It's not real long & is worth a read.

LOL the comments in that article are better than the actual article

"Watch out for Alex Liddi, this kid has a special kind of pop in his bat and all he has in the way is Kyle Seager. They should move Seager or Ackley to shortstop, Liddi to third"

Yes, lets move ackley to SS lmao

[ltw0303cavs]

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Tell you what Erasmo Ramirez looked good last night against Arizona's A team. All of the big 4 looked good. Amazing that you trade Pineda and Campos and you STILL have that kind of depth. Erasmo I guess is projected as a back end of the rotation , innings eater so a C fits him. Carter Capps could be Addison Reed in a year. High 90's fastball and nasty slider. I would put him as a reliever only because with his windup I have to figure the M's will switch him over this year.

[ltw0303cavs]

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Carter Capps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QU8SSHR8dM

[RnRexpress3423]

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If either of those guys should be a B, I would think Pimintel deserves the nod. Tough call, but I would feel more comfortable with him at B potential than C.

If you guys haven't seen, this is a super encouraging article for M's fans

You have to be an insider...if you aren't & would like the text posted here let me know. It's not real long & is worth a read.

It's been a long time coming for us M fans. No ESPN insider though but we do have a lot of upside. Were just young and inexperienced in most areas.

[thr33niL]

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This is how I see it.. If Hultzen is an "A" then Paxton has to be as well. He is probably an A- to Hultzen's A. While Hultzen is the safer bet because of poise, command and a superior changeup, Paxton has a better fastball and breaking ball.

Saw that someone wanted Catricala ranked a "C". Fooey on that. The guy is far and away the best hitter in the system. If he was even an average defender anywhere on the field, he would be earmarked for an "A". Ask any prospect follower why Cat didn't make BA's top 100 is because they think he doesn't have a position. But the bat plays in the bigs - right now. ProspectInsiderdotcom even has Catricala ranked ahead of Nick Franklin. Legit bat.

Other than that, the lists look pretty solid. Good work guys.

As far as stances go.. I've only played a few games and even though they changed Guti's stance this year, its still off. I still think John Jaso's stance is a perfect fit for Franklin. In turn, Jaso's stance isn't any good for Jaso (lol). I can't remember but I think I use one of the generic open crouched stances with a quick bat waggle. Saunders has a good shot break camp with the team because Guti is hurt again. Word is he changed his stance again so who knows what that looks like. Haven't seen a game this spring yet. Carp's stance is set wrong again I changed that one for sure. Again, can't remember the generic stance I use. I think it used to be Trot Nixon's old stance back in '09.

Haven't changed much else yet. Not as disappointed as some in Ackley's stance. Its close. Can't wait til we get a good Iwakuma and Kawasaki. FTR, I think Kawasaki makes it to opening day.

[TheRunAndShoot]

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Tell you what Erasmo Ramirez looked good last night against Arizona's A team. All of the big 4 looked good. Amazing that you trade Pineda and Campos and you STILL have that kind of depth. Erasmo I guess is projected as a back end of the rotation , innings eater so a C fits him. Carter Capps could be Addison Reed in a year. High 90's fastball and nasty slider. I would put him as a reliever only because with his windup I have to figure the M's will switch him over this year.

Erasmo's a C. I gave Capps a C b/c they're still gonna try him as a starter. Stephen Pryor ended up getting a B though as a closer. Which is actually pretty good when you look at other players that are B pot closers. Huston Street, Haranhan, Axford (ex-M's draft pick smh), Marmol, League, Soria, even Addison Reed. Basically all the second division closers so its totally a respectable grade.

[TheRunAndShoot]

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This is how I see it.. If Hultzen is an "A" then Paxton has to be as well. He is probably an A- to Hultzen's A. While Hultzen is the safer bet because of poise, command and a superior changeup, Paxton has a better fastball and breaking ball.

Saw that someone wanted Catricala ranked a "C". Fooey on that. The guy is far and away the best hitter in the system. If he was even an average defender anywhere on the field, he would be earmarked for an "A". Ask any prospect follower why Cat didn't make BA's top 100 is because they think he doesn't have a position. But the bat plays in the bigs - right now. ProspectInsiderdotcom even has Catricala ranked ahead of Nick Franklin. Legit bat.

Other than that, the lists look pretty solid. Good work guys.

As far as stances go.. I've only played a few games and even though they changed Guti's stance this year, its still off. I still think John Jaso's stance is a perfect fit for Franklin. In turn, Jaso's stance isn't any good for Jaso (lol). I can't remember but I think I use one of the generic open crouched stances with a quick bat waggle. Saunders has a good shot break camp with the team because Guti is hurt again. Word is he changed his stance again so who knows what that looks like. Haven't seen a game this spring yet. Carp's stance is set wrong again I changed that one for sure. Again, can't remember the generic stance I use. I think it used to be Trot Nixon's old stance back in '09.

Haven't changed much else yet. Not as disappointed as some in Ackley's stance. Its close. Can't wait til we get a good Iwakuma and Kawasaki. FTR, I think Kawasaki makes it to opening day.

ksig determined the grades for hutzen, paxton, walker and I agree with him. Considering that there's only like 30 A prospects I'm ok giving Paxton a B. Catricala got a B.

[brett the jet favre]

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IMO, our big three pitching prospects (Hultzen, Walker and Paxton) are all deserving of A potentials. No question in my mind about it. Paxton excites the hell out of me and might be the best of the bunch. Kid has amazing stuff. I think Hultzen could easily be an ace. Not many lefties with his command and heat. He sits 92-96 and does it consistently, with very good command. Walker is an 'A' and while I love the hype, he's the least deserving of an A, IMO... Just because he's a bit young - which really is no reason at all.

That's it, though. As far as 'A' potentials go, those are the only three.

Scouts have compared Walker to Bob Gibson and Dwight Gooden.. I think he is easily the best of the group.

[brett the jet favre]

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I can't see Iwakuma any higher than a D. At 30 or 31 years old with average stuff, this ceiling isn't very high.

Kawasaki has to be a D as well... kid just cannot hit.

I want to make an argument for Stephen Pryor and Carter Capps to be B's. Pryor is drawing rave reviews from absolutely every site I've read and Capps is flying through the system for being drafted so recently. He is certainly the closer of the future.

Why? His Era is 2.67 and he dosent walk many, he has good control, so why only a D? I understand those stats are from Japan but still..

[TheRunAndShoot]

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...k5MMkZoSXViOFE

There's the work sheet.

Rosters are up in the vault is people wanna check it out. The name of them is "M Test" Created Mar 11.