2012 OSFM: Top Prospects

[JWaLL]

Re: 2012 OSFM: Top Prospects

is there a projected time for this too be finished?

[Jason_19]

Re: 2012 OSFM: Top Prospects

is there a projected time for this too be finished?

You should read the following posts.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2043438513

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2043440447

[ksig24]

Re: 2012 OSFM: Top Prospects

Mayo and Law are as good as it gets when it comes to prospect scouting. I'd link Law's list, but you need espn insider to view it. I hope this can help you guys out with any prospect questions. Good luck and thank you for all of your hard work.

You can find Jonathan Mayo's list by googling Mayo prospect watch list 2012

This is subjective to opinion, but I would love to hear your logic behind this statement. Mayo has gotta be about the worse rater known to the game as his projections are always waaaaay off and he never justifies his findings, especially after they falter year after year.

Law....seriously? I have an insider account and am always wondering where he comes up with these rankings. I know he went to scout school in all, but its nothing more than gut feelings and though entertaining I find his rankings also significantly skewed.

[ksig24]

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Been gone for a few days and would like to know what I have missed. Waiting on Knight to respond to one of my questions regarding the top prospect project. Being that I am extremely meticulous and picky when it comes to a true A rated prospect I wanted to ease up a bit for the experience. My motion is to add a selected few of A rated prospects per team and rate them accordingly. That way you Padres fans will get your Liriano, Kelly, Grandal, Hedges and Erlin's as well as the Brewers fans with Jungmann, Bradley, Thornberg etc.

What this will entail is a true A rated prospect with a high ceiling being rated as such from the graph and a B+(A) prospect being given an A, but projected ceiling stats lower in reference to the graph.

Make sense? I think it will offer the user a better experience.

[12]

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I think this is a great thread and it seems like the game's top prospects are in great hands.

To play devil's advocate though... I have to ask - why are we so stingy on the 'A' rated prospects? It sounds like a dumb question but it's really not. I realize that an 'A' rated prospect is rare. They are elite and project well.

But I see guys like Alex Liddi, a 3B prospect for the Mariners, who is given a 'B' potential rating by SCEA. In my mind, he's not a 'B', but rather a 'C' at best. It would seem that some of these prospects with much higher ceilings than the guys that SCEA gives 'A' and 'B' potential grades to will not progress as well as their inferior counterparts. I am not talking about the older players who seem to slip through the cracks and receive elite potential grades, either. I know sometimes, guys like Luis Rodriguez get an 'A' or 'B' potential from SCEA as a 31-year-old utility player who has journeyed through the minors and never had a steady MLB career. I am talking about the marginal, mediocre prospects who have gained a bit of MLB service time (like Liddi) and receive high potential ratings. Are guys like Liddi going to end up being better players than some of these guys that we're seeing on top 100 prospect lists?

I've seen some of that through simulation, and while not completely unrealistic (as many of them won't progress or pan out anyway), it does seem to skew the balance of good prospects versus marginal prospects.

I don't know if that makes sense, but it's just an observation. In theory, an 'A' potential grade should be rare, but given how SCEA rates younger players with service time, I'd suggest that it might not be a bad idea to take that into consideration.

If we could just edit the potential grades on all players, it could be balanced out and the top rated prospects in baseball could really stand out against some of the other guys...

I hope I made a little bit of sense.

[ksig24]

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This makes excellent sense and is exactly my point here. Call it what they may, but an A grade is exactly what it is....rare.

This being said, here is my final list of A rated prospects for the game.

ARI
Bauer
Skaggs
Bradley

ATL
none: SCEA players

BAL
Machado
Bundy

BOS
Bogaerts

CHC
Jackson

CHW
none!

CIN
Hamilton

CLE
Lindor

COL
Arenado

DET
Castellanos

HOU
Singleton
Springer
because of move to AL

KC
Myers
Starling

LAA
none: SCEA

LAD
Lee

MIA
Yelich

MIN
Sano

MIL
none: feel that they are solid B guys.

NYM
Harvey
Wheeler

NYY
Banuelos
Sanchez

OAK
Choice

PHI
none

PIT
Cole
Taillon
Bell

SEA
Walker
Hultzen

SD
none: I feel that all of the prospects are in the B-B+ range.

SF
Brown

STL
Miller
Taveras
Martinez

TB
none: SCEA

TEX
Profar
Perez

TOR
d'Arnaud
Marisnick
Gose

WSH
Harper
Rendon

[BatsareBugs]

Re: 2012 OSFM: Top Prospects

Perhaps the mid-A and high-As are what are actually rare, the superstar ratings you might call them. That is exactly who you had just listed.

That is fair enough though, because people can do whatever they want when they have the rosters.

Edit: Only one person vouched for Erlin and Wieland to be an A but I already explained to him why they won't be. Sampson and Ross both have higher ceilings than both pitchers. It's kind of nice that you lumped us with Brewer fans though.

Edit #2: I'll reassess the Padre potentials compared to the players on the roster. Grandal and Hedges will have higher potentials than Hundley but neither will be an A. Liriano will be a B+ and be the highest rated position player in terms of potential. If there's on player I'll vouch for an A... it'll be Joe Ross at a very low A-. Sampson will be a B+ and everyone else will move down accordingly.

They'll probably still end up with a high amount of Cs and Bs.

[seanjeezy]

Re: 2012 OSFM: Top Prospects

Perhaps the mid-A and high-As are what are actually rare, the superstar ratings you might call them. That is exactly who you had just listed.

That is fair enough though, because people can do whatever they want when they have the rosters.

Edit: Only one person vouched for Erlin and Wieland to be an A but I already explained to him why they won't be. Sampson and Ross both have higher ceilings than both pitchers. It's kind of nice that you lumped us with Brewer fans though.

Edit #2: I'll reassess the Padre potentials compared to the players on the roster. Grandal and Hedges will have higher potentials than Hundley but neither will be an A. Liriano will be a B+ and be the highest rated position player in terms of potential. If there's on player I'll vouch for an A... it'll be Joe Ross at a very low A-. Sampson will be a B+ and everyone else will move down accordingly.

They'll probably still end up with a high amount of Cs and Bs.

I thought the general consensus among prospect evaluators was that the Pads system is full of solid players who more than likely will end up as major league regulars, but none will become superstars

however, with the way potential works in the game and how it is distributed, it seems like there is more leeway especially when you take into account + and - grades

[NatsFan95]

Re: 2012 OSFM: Top Prospects

are they looking realistic, last year they were poorly done- look wise

[seanjeezy]

Re: 2012 OSFM: Top Prospects

are they looking realistic, last year they were poorly done- look wise

early impressions for me are some are great, some are hit-and-miss...

What I've noticed is that some facial features are overly exaggerated, I'm OK with Bryce Harper having a jay leno chin because he actually does, but Machado definitely looks like the green goblin, all that needs to happen is his jaw protrusion needs to be lowered and it becomes spot on

[NatsFan95]

Re: 2012 OSFM: Top Prospects

i found a bryce harper on the vault, that looks more like bryce harper than bryce harper does, i wish more of the prospects looked like that

[seanjeezy]

Re: 2012 OSFM: Top Prospects

i found a bryce harper on the vault, that looks more like bryce harper than bryce harper does, i wish more of the prospects looked like that

Mind if I ask what the psn is for that bryce harper?

[NatsFan95]

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Mind if I ask what the psn is for that bryce harper?

no not at all, its by clk44, its genious. stats are off, but you can fix em

[juicer420]

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no not at all, its by clk44, its genious. stats are off, but you can fix em

clk44 is Aroid and he's doing the top 100 faces.

[NatsFan95]

Re: 2012 OSFM: Top Prospects

are more of them on the player vault right now?