Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

[eric7064]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

My opinion is the Cubs Orginization is really turning around. I appreciate all the work OSFM does and last year was my first year using it. I know how hard it is to project prospects wihtout being biased and fair to everyone. Junior Lake as a C and Baez as a B last year was rough to watch because of the shows horrendous Progression system. Hopefully this year is better.

1. Soler A (Many people around camp recently firmly believe he looks ahead of Baez)
2. Baez A (Im high on him obviously but he still needs more work then most people think)
3. Soler B+/A- (I strongly believe he will be a great player but Soler's freak athleticism has him rated higher)
4. Jackson B+ ( will be in game)
5. Vizcaino B+

I also think Sczur should at least be a low B. He has potential to be something special as he has full focus on baseball when in the past it was football. I also think Vogelbach should be in the B range but his defense should obviously be horrendous and it should be all batting.

Just my 2 cents.

[MrOldboy]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

I'd mostly agree for those, except Jackson. His stock has fallen a ton and if he can't cut the strikeouts I don't know where he would end up. A 4th outfielder? B+ might be too generous for him now after the 2012 season he had, not just his MLB stint, but his AAA numbers as well.

I'm assuming #3 is Almora.

[authentic]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

My opinion is the Cubs Orginization is really turning around. I appreciate all the work OSFM does and last year was my first year using it. I know how hard it is to project prospects wihtout being biased and fair to everyone. Junior Lake as a C and Baez as a B last year was rough to watch because of the shows horrendous Progression system. Hopefully this year is better.

1. Soler A (Many people around camp recently firmly believe he looks ahead of Baez)
2. Baez A (Im high on him obviously but he still needs more work then most people think)
3. Soler B+/A- (I strongly believe he will be a great player but Soler's freak athleticism has him rated higher)
4. Jackson B+ ( will be in game)
5. Vizcaino B+

I also think Sczur should at least be a low B. He has potential to be something special as he has full focus on baseball when in the past it was football. I also think Vogelbach should be in the B range but his defense should obviously be horrendous and it should be all batting.

Just my 2 cents.

Soler is ahead of Baez. Baez has some good skills but Soler has the mental side of baseball down far more than Baez. Once Baez get's past himself, he's going to be one heck of a player. Soler on the other hand, has the tools to be a franchise player. I can see Soler as an A, Baez as an A-/B+, Jackson and Vizcaino as B/B-'s. Szczur has a lot of athletic ability. He possibly deserves a B- but in this game I'd give him the C+. He has great speed, and some decent hands, but lacks plate discipline at times and plays too fast (read that carefully). There's a difference in slowing the game down and looking like you're playing ahead of the play and playing too fast. Another player, which I rated highly last year, was Jeimer Candelario. This kid has a lot of skill. Logan Watkins is another underrated 2nd baseman in the org. I see the Cubs having 1, possibly 2 A rated prospects, with a decent amound of B's, and a ton of C's.

[authentic]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

My top 3 Cubs prospects:

1. Jorge Soler

Plus:

Five tool player. Has great hands, with plus plus bat speed. Has the ability to hit 40+ homeruns and hit above or near .300. Also has the ability to steal a couple bases, and make some plays in the outfield with his glove. Has already been said to have a great attitude and is gaining respect in the clubhouse.

Minus:

He's still raw. He needs to play everyday and that means Minor League time. He could use some work in plate discipline. His arm has been shaky accuracy wise, where strength is no problem.

2. Javier Baez

Plus:

Plus bat speed, has the ability to really drive the ball. Has shown decent hands at SS, with pretty solid range. Has the ability to steal some bases and get into opponents heads. He has the ability to become a very solid infielder.

Minus:

Terrible attitude. Minus his raw talents, his mental game is really the only thing stopping him from progressing into a perennial All Star. Although he has good hands, he's been shaking at times, usually in spurts. He tends to rush the 6-4-3. He lacks any sort of plate discipline or patience. If Javier can develop some sort of mental stability, he'll be in Chicago in 2015.

3. Albert Almora

Plus:

Has great all around tools. Has the skills to become a really balanced ball player. Plays good defense and can hold his own in the avg stat line. Has good plate discipline and possesses a great attitude and work ethic, perfect for the Cubs system. He really has no part of his game that's bad...read on.

Minus:

Albert is very well balanced, but lacks that skill that parts him from other balanced prospects. He's average at the plate, average defense, average speed, and average tools. He's going to have to fine tune one or more of those skills, and possibly gain some muscle to have a long, healthy career.

[skow05]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

I hope I'm not overstepping any boundaries with the guys who are ultimately putting together the Cubs roster for OSFM. But I was bored so I thought I'd compile a list of who I think should be on the roster (currently).


KEY

• Highlighted in Blue means that they are on the 40-man roster.
• Highlighted in Red means that they are non-roster invitees.
• A player in bold indicates that they need a CAP.
• BA followed by a # is the prospects ranking according to Baseball America.
• MLB.com followed by a # is the prospects ranking according to MLB.com.
• FG followed by a # is the prospects ranking according to FanGraphs.

Starting Pitchers (20)

Matt Garza
Jeff Samardzija
Edwin Jackson
Scott Baker
Scott Feldman
Travis Wood
Carlos Villanueva
Brooks Raley
Hector Rondon
Chris Rusin
Arodys Vizcaino BA #4/MLB.com #5/FG #6
Robert Whitenack BA #23/MLB.com #15
Barrett Loux BA #26
Nick Struck
Pierce Johnson BA #6/MLB.com #7
Juan Carlos Paniagua BA #11
Paul Blackburn BA #16/MLB.com #17
Duane Underwood BA #17/MLB.com #16/FG #14
Dillon Maples BA #18/MLB.com #6/FG #4
Matt Loosen BA #27

Relief Pitchers (20)

Carlos Marmol
James Russell
Shawn Camp
Rafael Dolis
Michael Bowden
Alberto Cabrera BA #13/MLB.com #19
Kyuji Fujikawa BA #9
Trey McNutt BA #24
Casey Coleman
Jaye Chapman
Drew Carpenter
Blake Parker
Zach Putnam
Hisanori Takahashi
Cory Wade
Dayan Diaz
Jensen Lewis
Lendy Castillo BA #28
Tony Zych BA #22
Marcus Hatley BA #29

Catchers (6)

Wellington Castillo
Dioner Navarro
Steve Clevenger
J.C. Boscan
Rafael Lopez
Michael Brenly

First Baseman (3)

Anthony Rizzo
Brad Nelson
Dan Vogelbach BA #7/MLB.com #11/FG #5

Second Baseman (4)

Darwin Barney
Logan Watkins BA #19
Alberto Gonzalez
Gioskar Amaya BA #21/MLB.com #18

Shortstop (7)

Starlin Castro
Junior Lake BA #15/MLB.com #9/FG #13
Brent Lillibridge
Edwin Maysonet
Javier Baez BA #1/MLB.com #1/FG #1
Arismendy Alacantara BA #10
Marco Hernandez BA #20/FG #11


Third Baseman (5)

Ian Stewart
Luis Valbuena
Josh Vitters BA #25/MLB.com #14/FG #10
Christian Villanueva BA #12/MLB.com #8/FG #9
Jeimer Candelario BA #8/MLB.com #13/FG #12

Left Fielder (3)

Alfonso Soriano
Brian Bogusevic
Darnell McDonald

Center Fielder (5)

Brett Jackson BA #5/MLB.com #4/FG #7
Matt Szczur BA # 14/MLB.com #10/FG #8
Albert Almora BA #2/MLB.com #2/FG #2
Trey Martin BA #30/MLB.com #20/FG #15
Jae-Hoon Ha MLB.com #12

Right Fielder (6)

David DeJesus
Scott Hairston
Nate Schierholtz
Dave Sappelt
Jorge Soler BA #3/MLB.com #3/FG #3
Johermyn Chavez

That right there is 79 players, and just the ones I thought should be in on my initial fly-by. So 11 more can be added if the max number is 90 for an organization. Obviously, as time passes, we can weed out some of the (non-organizational) NRI's.

Anyways, I figured this would be something nice to add to the thread, get people talking about who'd they like to see added with the remaining spots, discuss potentials, etc.

Players I think should be considered for the 11 remaining spots (in no particular order):

Shawon Dunston Jr.
Reggie Golden
Trevor Gretzky
Ronald Torreyes
Zeke DeVoss
Rock Shoulders
Justin Bour
Eric Jokisch
Jeffry Antigua
Ben Wells
Ryan McNeil
P.J. Francescon
Jose Arias
Kyle Hendricks
Michael Jensen
Stephen Bruno

[zack4070]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Yeah I agree with most people on here about Soler. He should be the best hitter in the Cubs system in like 4-5 years.

[js3512]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

I hope I'm not overstepping any boundaries with the guys who are ultimately putting together the Cubs roster for OSFM. But I was bored so I thought I'd compile a list of who I think should be on the roster (currently).


KEY

• Highlighted in Blue means that they are on the 40-man roster.
• Highlighted in Red means that they are non-roster invitees.
• A player in bold indicates that they need a CAP.
• BA followed by a # is the prospects ranking according to Baseball America.
• MLB.com followed by a # is the prospects ranking according to MLB.com.
• FG followed by a # is the prospects ranking according to FanGraphs.

Starting Pitchers (20)

Matt Garza
Jeff Samardzija
Edwin Jackson
Scott Baker
Scott Feldman
Travis Wood
Carlos Villanueva
Brooks Raley
Hector Rondon
Chris Rusin
Arodys Vizcaino BA #4/MLB.com #5/FG #6
Robert Whitenack BA #23/MLB.com #15
Barrett Loux BA #26
Nick Struck
Pierce Johnson BA #6/MLB.com #7
Juan Carlos Paniagua BA #11
Paul Blackburn BA #16/MLB.com #17
Duane Underwood BA #17/MLB.com #16/FG #14
Dillon Maples BA #18/MLB.com #6/FG #4
Matt Loosen BA #27

Relief Pitchers (20)

Carlos Marmol
James Russell
Shawn Camp
Rafael Dolis
Michael Bowden
Alberto Cabrera BA #13/MLB.com #19
Kyuji Fujikawa BA #9
Trey McNutt BA #24
Casey Coleman
Jaye Chapman
Drew Carpenter
Blake Parker
Zach Putnam
Hisanori Takahashi
Cory Wade
Dayan Diaz
Jensen Lewis
Lendy Castillo BA #28
Tony Zych BA #22
Marcus Hatley BA #29

Catchers (6)

Wellington Castillo
Dioner Navarro
Steve Clevenger
J.C. Boscan
Rafael Lopez
Michael Brenly

First Baseman (3)

Anthony Rizzo
Brad Nelson
Dan Vogelbach BA #7/MLB.com #11/FG #5

Second Baseman (4)

Darwin Barney
Logan Watkins BA #19
Alberto Gonzalez
Gioskar Amaya BA #21/MLB.com #18

Shortstop (7)

Starlin Castro
Junior Lake BA #15/MLB.com #9/FG #13
Brent Lillibridge
Edwin Maysonet
Javier Baez BA #1/MLB.com #1/FG #1
Arismendy Alacantara BA #10
Marco Hernandez BA #20/FG #11


Third Baseman (5)

Ian Stewart
Luis Valbuena
Josh Vitters BA #25/MLB.com #14/FG #10
Christian Villanueva BA #12/MLB.com #8/FG #9
Jeimer Candelario BA #8/MLB.com #13/FG #12

Left Fielder (3)

Alfonso Soriano
Brian Bogusevic
Darnell McDonald

Center Fielder (5)

Brett Jackson BA #5/MLB.com #4/FG #7
Matt Szczur BA # 14/MLB.com #10/FG #8
Albert Almora BA #2/MLB.com #2/FG #2
Trey Martin BA #30/MLB.com #20/FG #15
Jae-Hoon Ha MLB.com #12

Right Fielder (6)

David DeJesus
Scott Hairston
Nate Schierholtz
Dave Sappelt
Jorge Soler BA #3/MLB.com #3/FG #3
Johermyn Chavez

That right there is 79 players, and just the ones I thought should be in on my initial fly-by. So 11 more can be added if the max number is 90 for an organization. Obviously, as time passes, we can weed out some of the (non-organizational) NRI's.

Anyways, I figured this would be something nice to add to the thread, get people talking about who'd they like to see added with the remaining spots, discuss potentials, etc.

Players I think should be considered for the 11 remaining spots (in no particular order):

Shawon Dunston Jr.
Reggie Golden
Trevor Gretzky
Ronald Torreyes
Zeke DeVoss
Rock Shoulders
Justin Bour
Eric Jokisch
Jeffry Antigua
Ben Wells
Ryan McNeil
P.J. Francescon
Jose Arias
Kyle Hendricks
Michael Jensen
Stephen Bruno

Definitely gotta weed out some of the NRI's as the season approaches. I just hope they give us the entire real life AAA roster, and at least all of the AA starters. And of course the best prospects from the A level and down.

[zack4070]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

JORGE SOLER. THE NEXT BIG THING (No coincidence I got the number of the post to match the number of his jersey) or is it just fate!!!

[jseward92]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

I'm curious for opinions on how do you think SCEA will rate Wellington Castillo? Last year's game they gave him a D to start and a C potential. I feel like he should be rated about a 70 give or take a few points, with a B- potential. The rating would be based on a rating between 70-79 would be a C. So he should have a D+ or C- rating to start off IMO.

[jseward92]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

One more thing, I'm not sure if this was posted in here but oh well. Does anyone know or have a guess to where Juan Carlos Paniagua will start the year? I was hoping High-A

[authentic]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

One more thing, I'm not sure if this was posted in here but oh well. Does anyone know or have a guess to where Juan Carlos Paniagua will start the year? I was hoping High-A

Boise most likely.

[jseward92]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Boise most likely.

Boise really? Dang

[authentic]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Boise really? Dang

Sorry, I meant Daytona, had a little lapse of concentration.

[skow05]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

I'm curious for opinions on how do you think SCEA will rate Wellington Castillo? Last year's game they gave him a D to start and a C potential. I feel like he should be rated about a 70 give or take a few points, with a B- potential. The rating would be based on a rating between 70-79 would be a C. So he should have a D+ or C- rating to start off IMO.

I think I saw him with a 74 ovr rating on a screenshot someone took of the teams lineup.

Edit: It was a 76. Sweeeeet! Yeah IMO he should be a C+/B- potential. We'll see what SCEA has in mind in a few days.

[jseward92]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

I think I saw him with a 74 ovr rating on a screenshot someone took of the teams lineup.

Edit: It was a 76. Sweeeeet! Yeah IMO he should be a C+/B- potential. We'll see what SCEA has in mind in a few days.

Hey thanks for finding that. I'm actually surprised they gave him that rating. I thought a 70 overall might be a little too high but ill take a 76!