I give up and I Win

[bsb13]

I finally gave up on sliders for good and decided to take everything for what it is and Im enjoying video games so much more now. Madden, the show, and so on Im loving it. I was playing midnight club 3 and was thinking I love this game so much, why? because I dont worry about sliders. I responded in a thread on Joe Montana football in the football forums and realized why I used to love games so much. When I was a kid I played games because it was just a game and fun and if I had a over the top stats I felt like I did something good instead of thinking there was something wrong with the game.

Anyway, I was playing the Show today and instead of getting down about how many hits per game I was AVG, I decided to congratulate myself instead of getting down on myself.

Anybody else trying to get back to their roots?

[bcruise]

Re: I give up and I Win

I finally gave up on sliders for good and decided to take everything for what it is and Im enjoying video games so much more now. Madden, the show, and so on Im loving it. I was playing midnight club 3 and was thinking I love this game so much, why? because I dont worry about sliders. I responded in a thread on Joe Montana football in the football forums and realized why I used to love games so much. When I was a kid I played games because it was just a game and fun and if I had a over the top stats I felt like I did something good instead of thinking there was something wrong with the game.

Anyway, I was playing the Show today and instead of getting down about how many hits per game I was AVG, I decided to congratulate myself instead of getting down on myself.

Anybody else trying to get back to their roots?

This is what I'm hoping to get out of that Power Pros game. As far as I know there aren't any sliders, it's just a fun, quick baseball game with some rather robust season options, or so I've heard. I used to play RBI, Baseball Stars and the like, and this game immediately reminded me of those the first time I saw it in action.

But I will say that I've gotten a whole ton of enjoyment from The Show by not even touching the sliders. It's the first baseball game that I can probably ever say that about. The flow of the game, the hit variety, and of course the presentation - it just feels like real baseball right out of the box.

[tfigs121]

Re: I give up and I Win

I did this several months ago, posted it here, and in fact, it became a very long thread. So many of us get caught up in sliders and looking for that "perfect" game. Well, baseball is not perfect. There are slugfests and there are shutouts and there are slumps and hot streaks and winning and losing streaks. I also gave up on sliders and started enjoying the game and started having fun again. The games were competitive and enjoyable. Were my stats realistic, no. But they were not outrageous either and most importantly, I was having fun.

tfigs

[bsb13]

Re: I give up and I Win

I did this several months ago, posted it here, and in fact, it became a very long thread. So many of us get caught up in sliders and looking for that "perfect" game. Well, baseball is not perfect. There are slugfests and there are shutouts and there are slumps and hot streaks and winning and losing streaks. I also gave up on sliders and started enjoying the game and started having fun again. The games were competitive and enjoyable. Were my stats realistic, no. But they were not outrageous either and most importantly, I was having fun.

tfigs

I remember that thread but I gave into temptation and started messing with sliders again, but anyway I have seen the light.

[tfigs121]

Re: I give up and I Win

I remember that thread but I gave into temptation and started messing with sliders again, but anyway I have seen the light.

Take it one day at a time my friend.

tfigs

[Joekilla]

Re: I give up and I Win

NEMESIS sliders>>>>>

[kingdevin]

Re: I give up and I Win

Sliders for the ps2 version - very difficult to find a balance.
Sliders for the ps3 version - beautiful. I've found a very nice set. The game just plays smoother overall!

[davewins]

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Sliders for the ps2 version - very difficult to find a balance.
Sliders for the ps3 version - beautiful. I've found a very nice set. The game just plays smoother overall!

very interesting to hear about the ps3 version. I really am curious as to how much differnet it plays but I am not ready to fork up that kind of money just to see.

Unfortunatley the game became less and less enjoyable for me personally. I took a lot of time trying to find a way to get my hit count down and some things helped but at the sacrifice of others. To me getting 15+ hits a game and beating the cpu 75-85% of the time was not enjoyable. I just think they simply need to make sliders better. I think instead of the 20 point total system they need to make like MVP had a 100 point system. This way we can REALLY fine tune the game to how we want it to play. Everybody plays different and everybody interprets an accurate game of baseball different so why not increase the amount of slider options and possible point system ten fold.

[Rod_Carew29]

@ tfigs

I agree...but I guess for those of us who 'care'...as opposed to those who seek perfection, there are some things that you have to use the sliders for.

One (and there are many-lol) of my biggest grips is the widespread misplacement of the power slider for too many hitters...you have guys who MAY hit 3 homers in 500ABs having power splits like 50/60....ridiculous!!!! Whether you sim or you play each game individually and check around the league, you'll see what happens if you don't adjust it.

And the power sliders are too high even for some of the sluggers....it's obvious that what ya have to do is look at their home run splits...then do some pro-rating mathematics...and you'd see that the power sliders are all over the place. For some, a rare some, they are right...in my opinion, but for others....they need to understand what they're supposed to do.

When I go back with various players in the 2007 season in this game (I'm playing currently my 2008 season), I am very satisfied. I managed to stop the 'power bleeding' with a lot of them.

Speed. You have guys like Shawn Green who is slow as heck....but with an out-of-the-box speed rating of about 60 ...NOT!

Throwing strength. Unlike MVP 2005 (which had the dynamic on lock), the throwing strength does not visually correspond with what is supposed to be.

In MVP 2005, guys who had no arm, LOOKED like they had no arm when they threw. There was mucho rainbow under their throws. In The Show...even if you zero out an individual players' throw strength, along with the general CPU throw strength slider, you don't see it.

I did this several months ago, posted it here, and in fact, it became a very long thread. So many of us get caught up in sliders and looking for that "perfect" game. Well, baseball is not perfect. There are slugfests and there are shutouts and there are slumps and hot streaks and winning and losing streaks. I also gave up on sliders and started enjoying the game and started having fun again. The games were competitive and enjoyable. Were my stats realistic, no. But they were not outrageous either and most importantly, I was having fun.

tfigs

[Rod_Carew29]

@ davewins

Exactly!

"...I think instead of the 20 point total system they need to make like MVP had a 100 point system..."

[pberardi]

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I have to take exception to some of the complaints here. There's always room for improvement and I think SCEA seems to be committed to improving the game each year.

Here are my thoughts: The hitting does have a quirky timing to it, unlike MVP which was well timed. However, MLB is zone hitting as well as timing, unlike MVP which had timed hitting. Boy, how we forget the easiness of hitting HR's in MVP! You win 75-80% of your games on MVP and once you get the timing down, you can hit HR"s at will.

Now, this is not an MVP vs MLB thread so I won't add any fuel to that debate.

Here are my exceptions:

Be careful when you ask for more sliders. Everyone seems to get burned out by them. Many of the sliders do work and make a difference like Pitch Movement which makes pitching more arduous and the awareness slider which allows you to reach some of the 'hard to reach pitches" thus providing some memorable 10 pitch at bats!

The hit variety that I am seeing in HOF incredible. Especially with contact low, pitch speed lower and power at a reasonable setting.

Pitcher confidence for the CPU on HOF is far more resilient than on Allstar and Veteran. As a matter of fact the pitcher confidence meter on HOF is IMO the reason why hitting is more difficult. I and many others are not experiencing consistant 15 hit games.

Pitcher Confidence on HOF does not decline easily on HOF. You have to really hit the CPU hard for a few innings to rock its confidence. Even if you do lower the overall pitch confidence, the pitcher may still have 1 or 2 pitches he can throw for strikes on the corners thus getting out of jams.

On lower levels, the cpu will strike you out with a fastball and thus his fastball confidence meter (not to be confused with the aggregate confidence meter) will get maxed. This makes his fastball tougher to hit.

ON HOF, I notice the CPU's fastball confidence rise if he consistantly hits the corner regardless of having to strike you out. In other words, the CPU's confidence meter increases without having to strike you out.

This all leads to the CPU being far more affective against the user hitter and thus a more formidable and realistic game.

Pitching by user is also much harder with pitch movement raised. I'm able to walk hitters and give up tons of runs.

Many people playing HOF are not having winning seasons with their franchise. I am 12-12 with my Indians franchise and each game is a battle.

[davewins]

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I have to take exception to some of the complaints here. There's always room for improvement and I think SCEA seems to be committed to improving the game each year.

Here are my thoughts: The hitting does have a quirky timing to it, unlike MVP which was well timed. However, MLB is zone hitting as well as timing, unlike MVP which had timed hitting. Boy, how we forget the easiness of hitting HR's in MVP! You win 75-80% of your games on MVP and once you get the timing down, you can hit HR"s at will.

Now, this is not an MVP vs MLB thread so I won't add any fuel to that debate.

Here are my exceptions:

Be careful when you ask for more sliders. Everyone seems to get burned out by them. Many of the sliders do work and make a difference like Pitch Movement which makes pitching more arduous and the awareness slider which allows you to reach some of the 'hard to reach pitches" thus providing some memorable 10 pitch at bats!

The hit variety that I am seeing in HOF incredible. Especially with contact low, pitch speed lower and power at a reasonable setting.

Pitcher confidence for the CPU on HOF is far more resilient than on Allstar and Veteran. As a matter of fact the pitcher confidence meter on HOF is IMO the reason why hitting is more difficult. I and many others are not experiencing consistant 15 hit games.

Pitcher Confidence on HOF does not decline easily on HOF. You have to really hit the CPU hard for a few innings to rock its confidence. Even if you do lower the overall pitch confidence, the pitcher may still have 1 or 2 pitches he can throw for strikes on the corners thus getting out of jams.

On lower levels, the cpu will strike you out with a fastball and thus his fastball confidence meter (not to be confused with the aggregate confidence meter) will get maxed. This makes his fastball tougher to hit.

ON HOF, I notice the CPU's fastball confidence rise if he consistantly hits the corner regardless of having to strike you out. In other words, the CPU's confidence meter increases without having to strike you out.

This all leads to the CPU being far more affective against the user hitter and thus a more formidable and realistic game.

Pitching by user is also much harder with pitch movement raised. I'm able to walk hitters and give up tons of runs.

Many people playing HOF are not having winning seasons with their franchise. I am 12-12 with my Indians franchise and each game is a battle.

YOu must of stopped at MVP 04 or 05. In MVP 06 they had a true 9 zone hitting system. The Show's zone hitting really isn't done up all that well.

[davewins]

Re: I give up and I Win

I have to take exception to some of the complaints here. There's always room for improvement and I think SCEA seems to be committed to improving the game each year.

Here are my thoughts: The hitting does have a quirky timing to it, unlike MVP which was well timed. However, MLB is zone hitting as well as timing, unlike MVP which had timed hitting. Boy, how we forget the easiness of hitting HR's in MVP! You win 75-80% of your games on MVP and once you get the timing down, you can hit HR"s at will.

Now, this is not an MVP vs MLB thread so I won't add any fuel to that debate.

Here are my exceptions:

Be careful when you ask for more sliders. Everyone seems to get burned out by them. Many of the sliders do work and make a difference like Pitch Movement which makes pitching more arduous and the awareness slider which allows you to reach some of the 'hard to reach pitches" thus providing some memorable 10 pitch at bats!

The hit variety that I am seeing in HOF incredible. Especially with contact low, pitch speed lower and power at a reasonable setting.

Pitcher confidence for the CPU on HOF is far more resilient than on Allstar and Veteran. As a matter of fact the pitcher confidence meter on HOF is IMO the reason why hitting is more difficult. I and many others are not experiencing consistant 15 hit games.

Pitcher Confidence on HOF does not decline easily on HOF. You have to really hit the CPU hard for a few innings to rock its confidence. Even if you do lower the overall pitch confidence, the pitcher may still have 1 or 2 pitches he can throw for strikes on the corners thus getting out of jams.

On lower levels, the cpu will strike you out with a fastball and thus his fastball confidence meter (not to be confused with the aggregate confidence meter) will get maxed. This makes his fastball tougher to hit.

ON HOF, I notice the CPU's fastball confidence rise if he consistantly hits the corner regardless of having to strike you out. In other words, the CPU's confidence meter increases without having to strike you out.

This all leads to the CPU being far more affective against the user hitter and thus a more formidable and realistic game.

Pitching by user is also much harder with pitch movement raised. I'm able to walk hitters and give up tons of runs.

Many people playing HOF are not having winning seasons with their franchise. I am 12-12 with my Indians franchise and each game is a battle.

Not to knock you or anything but it's what you are seeing. That's all well and good for you. I am not getting these results. Why you would say be careful about wishing for more sliders is beyond me?? How could it possibly hurt???? The idea is to make the game enjoyable for as many people as possible. This way they can sell the most copies. It's pretty basic. If I was the game maker I wouldn't just make the game play perfect just for me because the results I am getting is 15+ hits a game. I would obviously want to satisfy the majority but at the same time I would want to satisfy the novice player and the expert player. It seems like when I say that I get 15+ hits a game people take it as either A.) bragging or B.) knocking the game. I am not doing either. I am simply being honest and I think this is what needs to be done. I know baseball like the back of my hand. It doesn't take a stat genius to know that getting 15+hits a game is unrealistic and it shouldn't go unnoticed that bat to ball physics are off. Opposite field HR's down the line very rarely happen and just about NEVER happen on balls down the middle or middle in.

You are stating how the game plays for you. The game does not play the same for me. I am seeing many more hits and I am beating the CPU 80% of the time. I have done everything under the sun to try and get my hits down. What they need to do is make the hitting A.) more realistic and B.) have more sliders that can ultimately effect the hit count.

The game will not change for those that don't need it to change.

[imapotato]

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AHHHH

I knew it...you are an old MVP guy....who hates the Show but 'tolerates' it because MLB2K is worse, but basically wants The Show to mimic MVP more and more each year.

Sorry, but IMHO MVP was crap....too many sliders because the game out of the box was awful...it was not real baseball, it was the same hit to any zone of the field...when you got the timing of MVP down, you could hit HRs at will...remember the UP and power swing fiasco.

The good news for you is that the MLB2K series is being worked on by the guy who was the mastermind of MVP.

SCEA has guys from the opposite of MVP...All Star Baseball.

Different strokes for different folks...but you might want to skip the Show next year and go to MLB2K which should be in Phase 2 of remaking MVP...or you can get MVP for the PC and they have Mods to keep it up to date and 100 sliders and tweaks to fit your need

But you have a very selfish view...you are the minority, same as when the game came out....why should they change because you play the game on on ADD mode?

My last game I swung all the time (played on offensive for both teams), 1st pitch, 2nd pitch I had 12 hits 2 HR and 16 hits 3 HRs for and the score was 9-6s....both pitchers had only 80 pitches into the 7th

I did that because you are griping about hits again, so I wanted to see if my theory was true...that you play the game on short attention span mode...I can mimic your games at will now...just swing all the time using the power button

Thing is, BASEBALL IS NOT PLAYED THAT WAY!!....so why should the game change because you want to finish a game in 30 minutes while most of us what a realistic baseball game?

That is why you loved MVP, you could jack up balls that were 10 feet off the plate so even Corey Patterson could walk 3 times a game.

More sliders means the game isn't good enough out of the box. More sliders mean more things could be offset if you change one slider too extreme.

Every hear of the cliche "Too many chefs for the soup"?

I don't want MVP Part Deux, especially when the competition has that in progress....I want it to stay the course...and you HAVEN'T done everything under the sun to try and get your hits down...because I tried the same thing...the one thing that worked was PATIENCE and my signature

and I have proof in my Franchise

[imapotato]

Re: I give up and I Win

NEMESIS sliders>>>>>

Nemesis' sliders are based on how Nemesis plays...so they are not for everyone.

If you must tweak, don't use someone else's....see their explanations because they spend a great deal of time on them, but don't use them and say "hey perfect" because their not