I give up and I Win

[baa7]

Re: I give up and I Win

you play the game on short attention span mode...Thing is, BASEBALL IS NOT PLAYED THAT WAY!!....so why should the game change because you want to finish a game in 30 minutes while most of us what a realistic baseball game?

That is why you loved MVP, you could jack up balls that were 10 feet off the plate so even Corey Patterson could walk 3 times a game.

LOL, your rants are pretty funny (and insightful) when they're not directed at me

[nemesis04]

Re: I give up and I Win

LOL, your rants are pretty funny (and insightful) when they're not directed at me

Good to see you are still alive!

[davewins]

Re: I give up and I Win

AHHHH

I knew it...you are an old MVP guy....who hates the Show but 'tolerates' it because MLB2K is worse, but basically wants The Show to mimic MVP more and more each year.

Sorry, but IMHO MVP was crap....too many sliders because the game out of the box was awful...it was not real baseball, it was the same hit to any zone of the field...when you got the timing of MVP down, you could hit HRs at will...remember the UP and power swing fiasco.

The good news for you is that the MLB2K series is being worked on by the guy who was the mastermind of MVP.

SCEA has guys from the opposite of MVP...All Star Baseball.

Different strokes for different folks...but you might want to skip the Show next year and go to MLB2K which should be in Phase 2 of remaking MVP...or you can get MVP for the PC and they have Mods to keep it up to date and 100 sliders and tweaks to fit your need

But you have a very selfish view...you are the minority, same as when the game came out....why should they change because you play the game on on ADD mode?

My last game I swung all the time (played on offensive for both teams), 1st pitch, 2nd pitch I had 12 hits 2 HR and 16 hits 3 HRs for and the score was 9-6s....both pitchers had only 80 pitches into the 7th

I did that because you are griping about hits again, so I wanted to see if my theory was true...that you play the game on short attention span mode...I can mimic your games at will now...just swing all the time using the power button

Thing is, BASEBALL IS NOT PLAYED THAT WAY!!....so why should the game change because you want to finish a game in 30 minutes while most of us what a realistic baseball game?

That is why you loved MVP, you could jack up balls that were 10 feet off the plate so even Corey Patterson could walk 3 times a game.

More sliders means the game isn't good enough out of the box. More sliders mean more things could be offset if you change one slider too extreme.

Every hear of the cliche "Too many chefs for the soup"?

I don't want MVP Part Deux, especially when the competition has that in progress....I want it to stay the course...and you HAVEN'T done everything under the sun to try and get your hits down...because I tried the same thing...the one thing that worked was PATIENCE and my signature

and I have proof in my Franchise

Dude you have no clue!!!! To assume something about me because of the fact that I think HITTING is unrealistic to your BELOVED game is plain IMMATURE. This is why I stay away from message boards. Because of fanboys like you that can't take constructive criticism. Just because I mentioned MVP does not mean I was in love with it. I only used the hitting in MVP as a model to demonstrate what I think The Show needs to do to make hitting more realistic. I am talking about the timing window. It seems as if you read a sentence or two that I write in my long post and come out with the fact that I'm an MVP attic that just plays The Show to get by. Well sir you are COMPLETLEY misunderstood. I have a life. If I didn't like The Show I would not be registered here in the first place posting about it at all. I have better things to do. Since baseball "video-gaming" (if you can call it that) is a hobby of mine I like to play it and I also like to CONSTRUCTIVELY criticise. You are too immature to see the difference. I am in love with the Show from 06. I could not believe how great it was. There were a few things that I didn't like about it and that is a VERY good thing because I am extremely picky and baseball has A LOT of stats and things that could go wrong in making a game to me. The pitching in MVP was horrific. This is why I would play the game for a month and then realize I would dominate the CPU and have literally a 25-5 record by the end of the first month. I don't hate baseball games. I respect the games that come out no matter how bad they are. It's really pathetic of you to assume that I was a MVP junkie that just came over to The Show and don't like The Show based on my post here. Well my naive friend this post here (yes the very long one that I took time to think out) actually proves that I am in love with The Show and I want it to improve even further. Do you think for one minute that if I didn't like the game I would be on here making posts that long just to tell complete strangers or complain to complete strangers how the game is "not good"?? Hell no!! I am here to CONSTRUCTIVELY and let me say it again CONSTRUCTIVELY criticise the game. If you can't see this then I feel sorry for you. I have a right to opinion here just like you and everybody here that posts here. If you don't agree with me that's fine just don't post. This isn't supposed to be an argument post. It's not a post of facts that need to be fixed in the game. It's a post of opinions and everybodys should be respected. The physics in the game are off. If you watched enough baseball you would notice that opposite field HR's down the line are very rare in their own. But when they do happen they are on outside pitches that are just about off the plate by power hitters. Not average 20-30 HR a season type hitters on pitches middle or middle in. You haven't changed man. For some reason when I talk "bad" about the game which is "constructive criticism" you seem to take it so personal you have to attack me in a sense. Don't assume anything about me based on your poor judgment of constructive criticism.

[davewins]

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AHHHH

I knew it...you are an old MVP guy....who hates the Show but 'tolerates' it because MLB2K is worse, but basically wants The Show to mimic MVP more and more each year.

Sorry, but IMHO MVP was crap....too many sliders because the game out of the box was awful...it was not real baseball, it was the same hit to any zone of the field...when you got the timing of MVP down, you could hit HRs at will...remember the UP and power swing fiasco.

The good news for you is that the MLB2K series is being worked on by the guy who was the mastermind of MVP.

SCEA has guys from the opposite of MVP...All Star Baseball.

Different strokes for different folks...but you might want to skip the Show next year and go to MLB2K which should be in Phase 2 of remaking MVP...or you can get MVP for the PC and they have Mods to keep it up to date and 100 sliders and tweaks to fit your need

But you have a very selfish view...you are the minority, same as when the game came out....why should they change because you play the game on on ADD mode?

My last game I swung all the time (played on offensive for both teams), 1st pitch, 2nd pitch I had 12 hits 2 HR and 16 hits 3 HRs for and the score was 9-6s....both pitchers had only 80 pitches into the 7th

I did that because you are griping about hits again, so I wanted to see if my theory was true...that you play the game on short attention span mode...I can mimic your games at will now...just swing all the time using the power button

Thing is, BASEBALL IS NOT PLAYED THAT WAY!!....so why should the game change because you want to finish a game in 30 minutes while most of us what a realistic baseball game?

That is why you loved MVP, you could jack up balls that were 10 feet off the plate so even Corey Patterson could walk 3 times a game.

More sliders means the game isn't good enough out of the box. More sliders mean more things could be offset if you change one slider too extreme.

Every hear of the cliche "Too many chefs for the soup"?

I don't want MVP Part Deux, especially when the competition has that in progress....I want it to stay the course...and you HAVEN'T done everything under the sun to try and get your hits down...because I tried the same thing...the one thing that worked was PATIENCE and my signature

and I have proof in my Franchise

So your little experiment here (which is pretty pathetic) is supposed to explain exactly what I do in the game!! Wow man you got it right that's exactly what I do!!! I hack at everything.

In fact you are 100% wrong. I can't see how you could possibly even come on here and say what you say about how I haven't tryed everything under the sun and I am not patient at the plate based on how you play the game. You seriously have tunnel vision on this subject. It does not matter how I get too many hits. If I played on rookie it would matter. I play on the hardest level the game has to offer. Why can't you just be simple and cool about the subject and if I am getting too many hits on the hardest level then simply agree there needs to be more sliders. More sliders does not hurt anybody. You have a right to an opinion just like everybody else but why you are basically attacking mine is really IMMATURE. I am selfish????????? Uh, dude, it's called wanting the game to play to my standards. More sliders would KEEP THE GAME TO PLAY AT YOUR STANDARDS while making it possible to PLAY TO MY STANDARDS. There is nothing wrong with too many sliders why you think this is COMPLETLEY BEYOND ME. The game will play out of the box just like you want it to so you can be nice and happy while there will be more sliders to accommodate those that need to be accommodated.

[davewins]

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I did that because you are griping about hits again, so I wanted to see if my theory was true...that you play the game on short attention span mode...I can mimic your games at will now...just swing all the time using the power button

Thing is, BASEBALL IS NOT PLAYED THAT WAY!!....so why should the game change because you want to finish a game in 30 minutes while most of us what a realistic baseball game?

That is why you loved MVP, you could jack up balls that were 10 feet off the plate so even Corey Patterson could walk 3 times a game.

Let me explain something because your foolproof experiment/theory is anything but that. The way I play the game is the way you play baseball. You hit anything that's fat. You hit YOUR pitch. I wait for anything that's in my zone and especially looking for a fastball. Because the CPU throws so many fastballs and they aren't as adaptive as they could be I sit on the fastball which is for the most part "FAT" too often. I don't swing at many pitches that I don't like. In fact I am pretty picky up at the plate. So your ASSUMPTION is anything but correct. I don't play "30 minute attention span mode" games why you would think this just based on your horrific theory/experiment is really mind boggling. The end result in my approach is too many hits specifically back up the middle. If more of these pitches were fouled back it would help, if more of them were popped up it would help, if more of them were hit a little different because of a larger timing window would help. So to want a new hitting engine can possibly be selfish because most of you it's working out fine but to want more sliders/more effective sliders/bigger range of sliders is not selfish by any means. I think the contact slider should do just what it says. When in reality it barely has an effect. The contact slider should have an effect on quality of balls hit which it doesn't have much of an effect on. If they made the same out of the box game with the same sliders except made a 50 or 100 point system we would be able to make contact slider have an effect on contact more so then just having a 20 point system.

[davewins]

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imapotato you just need to cool off and understand constructive criticism. We can all get along here if we respect eachother's opinions. It seems to me like you are obsessed with jumping the gun on anybody that says the word "bad" and "the show" in the same sentence. Just look at your signature:

MLB '07 "If you play unrealistically, don't complain if the game plays unrealistically"

[djo201]

Re: I give up and I Win

imapotato you just need to cool off and understand constructive criticism. We can all get along here if we respect eachother's opinions. It seems to me like you are obsessed with jumping the gun on anybody that says the word "bad" and "the show" in the same sentence. Just look at your signature:

MLB '07 "If you play unrealistically, don't complain if the game plays unrealistically"

I thought this forums had an Edit feature. I think there is no need to double or triple post. Or in this case 4 posts in a row.

[pberardi]

Re: I give up and I Win

Not to knock you or anything but it's what you are seeing. That's all well and good for you. I am not getting these results. Why you would say be careful about wishing for more sliders is beyond me?? How could it possibly hurt???? The idea is to make the game enjoyable for as many people as possible. This way they can sell the most copies. It's pretty basic. If I was the game maker I wouldn't just make the game play perfect just for me because the results I am getting is 15+ hits a game. I would obviously want to satisfy the majority but at the same time I would want to satisfy the novice player and the expert player. It seems like when I say that I get 15+ hits a game people take it as either A.) bragging or B.) knocking the game. I am not doing either. I am simply being honest and I think this is what needs to be done. I know baseball like the back of my hand. It doesn't take a stat genius to know that getting 15+hits a game is unrealistic and it shouldn't go unnoticed that bat to ball physics are off. Opposite field HR's down the line very rarely happen and just about NEVER happen on balls down the middle or middle in.

You are stating how the game plays for you. The game does not play the same for me. I am seeing many more hits and I am beating the CPU 80% of the time. I have done everything under the sun to try and get my hits down. What they need to do is make the hitting A.) more realistic and B.) have more sliders that can ultimately effect the hit count.

The game will not change for those that don't need it to change.

I'm not trying to agitate you and bait you into an argument. I had the same complaints as you and gave up on the game last year and was about to take up football until I gave HOF a try as many on this board recommended. I don't know what level you play on and it would be presumptuous of me to know. Some of your complaints sound like you are playing on Allstar or Vet. If you are playing on HOF then you are quite good and that's a good thing not a bad thing.

Believe me, I know what you are saying about the hitting and timing. I use the instant replay constantly and laugh out load when I see that my bat should have shattered instead of hitting a laser beam to the opposite field for a double. You are right.

I just need to point out that there is great gameplay in this game, HOF does provide a challenge and it still beats playing Madden, IMO.

As for sliders, we want them to change gameplay but they rarely do. So why add more useless sliders? Did you see all the sliders in 2K7? Absolutely absurd if you ask me. The game stinks but has plenty of sliders to spend your valuable time tweaking.

You have to go up to higher levels once you start winning 80%. I agree they need to make Allstar = to HOF and take HOF to a higher level. I'm fine with the game. If you want perfect baseball do what I do, get the extra innings package from your cable company and watch baseball a few hours per week. No video game will mimic the real thing.

[davewins]

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I'm not trying to agitate you and bait you into an argument. I had the same complaints as you and gave up on the game last year and was about to take up football until I gave HOF a try as many on this board recommended. I don't know what level you play on and it would be presumptuous of me to know. Some of your complaints sound like you are playing on Allstar or Vet. If you are playing on HOF then you are quite good and that's a good thing not a bad thing.

Believe me, I know what you are saying about the hitting and timing. I use the instant replay constantly and laugh out load when I see that my bat should have shattered instead of hitting a laser beam to the opposite field for a double. You are right.

I just need to point out that there is great gameplay in this game, HOF does provide a challenge and it still beats playing Madden, IMO.

As for sliders, we want them to change gameplay but they rarely do. So why add more useless sliders? Did you see all the sliders in 2K7? Absolutely absurd if you ask me. The game stinks but has plenty of sliders to spend your valuable time tweaking.

You have to go up to higher levels once you start winning 80%. I agree they need to make Allstar = to HOF and take HOF to a higher level. I'm fine with the game. If you want perfect baseball do what I do, get the extra innings package from your cable company and watch baseball a few hours per week. No video game will mimic the real thing.

Good mature post. It's good to know that we have mature folks here that don't get upset when somebody constructively criticises the game.

Yes I play on HOF with just about every slider against me. I never considered myself a GREAT player. I guess you can say my approach at the plate and timing are pretty good but nothing exceptional. To only have one major gripe with a baseball game is a DAMN good thing. Baseball games imho are the hardest to simulate along with football. So to only have one gripe with a game is saying a lot to the developers of the game.

I just find myself getting way too many hits and I have tryed SOOO hard to lower these hit counts. Changing my approach to how I play the game like potato suggests is ridiculous. I am not going to try to be worst at the game lol. I am still going to try my hardest. Anything that's fat is going to get whacked for a single. My problem is 2 things. 1 there is too much of a window for contact. This could be solved if they made more effective sliders (contact slider in this case) and 2 the pitcher throws too many fat pitches and I don't know if this is due to the pitcher's confidence or not but either way if they had a CPU pitcher control slider (that worked ) then at least I could tweak it so they make less mistakes and it's just tougher to hit because of the simple fact that I'm not getting as much to hit. I know I'm not the only one that has had problems with The Show and excessive hits.

[davewins]

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I thought this forums had an Edit feature. I think there is no need to double or triple post. Or in this case 4 posts in a row.

You are right. I could of kept it to one post. My apologies.

[imapotato]

Re: I give up and I Win

imapotato you just need to cool off and understand constructive criticism. We can all get along here if we respect eachother's opinions. It seems to me like you are obsessed with jumping the gun on anybody that says the word "bad" and "the show" in the same sentence. Just look at your signature:

MLB '07 "If you play unrealistically, don't complain if the game plays unrealistically"

Actually it's YOU that took the post that way...I told you a game that would be to your liking...MVP for PC, with Mods and current rosters.

Don't read what you want into and then say later passively aggresively that I a immature to someone else

Fact is you are in the minority...and that is not how a game should evolve

[davewins]

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Actually it's YOU that took the post that way...I told you a game that would be to your liking...MVP for PC, with Mods and current rosters.

Don't read what you want into and then say later passively aggresively that I a immature to someone else

Fact is you are in the minority...and that is not how a game should evolve

No you told me a bunch of hogwash. Plain and simple. You came up with a "theory" as to how I was getting too many hits which was plain ludicrous.

I am in the minority and that is not how a game should evolve???? I have no idea what you are talking about here.

Dude you can't take the fact that somebody is getting too many hits in this game and wants to constructively criticise. I've been here with you before. This is not a surprise.

"That is why you loved MVP, you could jack up balls that were 10 feet off the plate so even Corey Patterson could walk 3 times a game.

More sliders means the game isn't good enough out of the box. More sliders mean more things could be offset if you change one slider too extreme."

You are stating that I "loved MVP" when all I simply did was use MVP as a demonstration for a point I was making. I simply brought up MVP's replay analysis because most people know what I am talking about when I refer to that. When I say the yellow balls that represent foul balls and the green that represent contact and the dark green quality contact. That is what I simply did and all of a sudden you come out with "I loved MVP".

I bought MVP 07 and played it for 2 weeks and stopped. Rock and fire pitching was a great idea but it was still WAY too easy to pitch. I had more fun then I ever had in a baseball game with The Show in 06 and 07. This is why you see me over here much more then the MVP message boards.

And to say that more sliders means the game doesn't play as well out of the box is really a completley irrational statement.

[pberardi]

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Good mature post. It's good to know that we have mature folks here that don't get upset when somebody constructively criticises the game.

Yes I play on HOF with just about every slider against me. I never considered myself a GREAT player. I guess you can say my approach at the plate and timing are pretty good but nothing exceptional. To only have one major gripe with a baseball game is a DAMN good thing. Baseball games imho are the hardest to simulate along with football. So to only have one gripe with a game is saying a lot to the developers of the game.

I just find myself getting way too many hits and I have tryed SOOO hard to lower these hit counts. Changing my approach to how I play the game like potato suggests is ridiculous. I am not going to try to be worst at the game lol. I am still going to try my hardest. Anything that's fat is going to get whacked for a single. My problem is 2 things. 1 there is too much of a window for contact. This could be solved if they made more effective sliders (contact slider in this case) and 2 the pitcher throws too many fat pitches and I don't know if this is due to the pitcher's confidence or not but either way if they had a CPU pitcher control slider (that worked ) then at least I could tweak it so they make less mistakes and it's just tougher to hit because of the simple fact that I'm not getting as much to hit. I know I'm not the only one that has had problems with The Show and excessive hits.

I know your problem is not your approach to the game. I know you play the game exactly like me. Mr. Potatoe does give good advice albeit a bit harsh at times. (He'd never make it as a diplomat) but I think he means well. Working the count and being selective does not mean going 3-2 every at bat and having 6 walks and 10 strikeouts per game. That would certainly lower the number of hits wouldn't it. But if you watch baseball, even the most disciplined hitters will swing at "their" pitch even if its early in the count rather than later in the count. Because you might not get a good one to hit again!

The Show does a good job at throwing all over the zone as to make patient hitters enjoy the game. I don't see alot of pitches to hit at least early in the game when the CPU is fresh. It does do a good job at nibbling and making each at bat unique.

Keep in mind, the more you strikeout and the more confidence the cpu gets it will hit the corners and force you to hit its pitches. This in turn lowers overall offense. Its patient hitters like you who eventually defeats the cpu by making it tire by throwing alot of pitches and selectively hitting "your" pitch. The result is easier fastballs over the plate.

It is a pitching confidence issue as well. I just think that HOF is challenging enough especially with good pitching to keep on playing. Also, try lowering plate vision and discipline by editing your players. Too many people edit contact. I swear lower vision caps changes how the cpu pitches to your hitters.

[davewins]

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I know your problem is not your approach to the game. I know you play the game exactly like me. Mr. Potatoe does give good advice albeit a bit harsh at times. (He'd never make it as a diplomat) but I think he means well. Working the count and being selective does not mean going 3-2 every at bat and having 6 walks and 10 strikeouts per game. That would certainly lower the number of hits wouldn't it. But if you watch baseball, even the most disciplined hitters will swing at "their" pitch even if its early in the count rather than later in the count. Because you might not get a good one to hit again!

The Show does a good job at throwing all over the zone as to make patient hitters enjoy the game. I don't see alot of pitches to hit at least early in the game when the CPU is fresh. It does do a good job at nibbling and making each at bat unique.

Keep in mind, the more you strikeout and the more confidence the cpu gets it will hit the corners and force you to hit its pitches. This in turn lowers overall offense. Its patient hitters like you who eventually defeats the cpu by making it tire by throwing alot of pitches and selectively hitting "your" pitch. The result is easier fastballs over the plate.

It is a pitching confidence issue as well. I just think that HOF is challenging enough especially with good pitching to keep on playing. Also, try lowering plate vision and discipline by editing your players. Too many people edit contact. I swear lower vision caps changes how the cpu pitches to your hitters.

Another excellent post again. Yes I believe this is what I do that ends up in too many hits but either way I am ending up in too many hits and also I am seeing too many balls hit off the inside of my bat hard right back up the middle. Like I said before I think it's the CPU pitching and also the timing window for fat pitches. Any pitch over the middle of the plate is going to be hit and hit hard. Now like I said over and over again I think they should add a couple sliders (1 being CPU pitch control) and make them more effective by making it a 50 point or 100 point system rather then a 20 point system. The sliders really have little to no effect on the game. I'd have to say The Show plays the best out of the box of any baseball game to date. This doesn't mean more sliders will hurt the game. Basically anything we can adjust for the USER we should be able to adjust for the CPU. It has to be an even playing field if you will. Just like we had the option to do mound visits but the CPU didn't have any (until I believe the ps3 version). These aren't things that I complain about in a negative way (which I am sure you understand) and try to in any form bash the game. This is where potato gets me wrong I believe. I am on this site to constructively criticise a game that I really love. I would love to see more accurate hitting results in this game. I would be thrilled. I am not asking them to change the game so it only plays my way. This is what potato thinks as well. I am simply asking for a few more sliders and sliders to be much more effective. I would love a HR power rating as well as a GAP power rating and just a regular power rating. Somebody else came up with this idea and I think it's great. Power in general is just too broad. Any guy can come up and hit one out just as frequently as a true HR hitter. The main difference is the approach to the plate and the type of swing they have. If they could make more players seem to differ from others on the field and at the plate I really think it would be awesome. That's the direction that I think we need to look at in sports games. To me it's always been the same player with just different looks and different names.

[Rod_Carew29]

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"...The sliders really have little to no effect on the game. I'd have to say The Show plays the best out of the box of any baseball game to date. This doesn't mean more sliders will hurt the game. Basically anything we can adjust for the USER we should be able to adjust for the CPU. It has to be an even playing field if you will."

The difference between the sliders for MVP 2005 and The Show 2007 are...with MVP there was an progressive, incremental change if you will, when you went from 0-100. The best example was the throwing strength. In MVP 2005, if a guy's throwing strength was set at 10, his throws has a SERIOUS rainbow under them. In The Show 2007, setting a guy's throwing strength to 10 clicks, does NOT give the same visual at all. Matter of fact, 10 clicks to about 40 clociks in The Show appear the same in-game.

"...I am simply asking for a few more sliders and sliders to be much more effective. I would love a HR power rating as well as a GAP power rating and just a regular power rating. Somebody else came up with this idea and I think it's great. Power in general is just too broad. Any guy can come up and hit one out just as frequently as a true HR hitter.

One thing people have to remember if the people RESPONSIBLE for translating actual player stats to a digital format in-code for this game are slacking in what they do, you will ALWAYS need sliders. Why do I say that? Let's use The Show 2007 again.

If a player who played for a full season, had about 500AB's, hit THREE HOME RUNS TOTAL (including NONE from the right side) and hit .290, has an out-of-the-box power rating let's say of 40 vsR and 50 vsL, we are SCREWED!

Depending what his BA split is from the right side, his power rating vsR should be anywhere's from 5-15....TOPS...with RARE exception.

I've seen that time and time again with various players in The Show. They need to hire someone who actually understands power splits as well...to formulate the correct power rating. Hell, I would volunteer in a heartbeat. I've broken it down in a way that RARELY...and I mean RARELY see a player whose power number are grossly exaggerated.