Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

[dorismary]

I saw where SCEA says in levels ALLSTAR is Normal level of gameplay so I gave it a try as I originally played this in Veteran Default .
I played 3 innings and WOW those who said try it again at default (JGobler) your right for now as players seem to play more like themselves ?.
I already heard to turn cpu power down to 0 but I havent yet .
I have only turned off variable umpires so theres no guessing , its a ball or a strike and it will always even out plus better to draw walks .
The only thing I fear now is the late inning cpu comeback late hard thing.
Im not looking to get exact pitch counts or perfect stats but I just want a happy medium , no 8 HR games ,errors, wild pitches , stolen bases , manager yanking pitchers at the correct time ect , Aces pitch different from 5th starters and all types of scores.
So if you wanna help break things down please feel free to post but post on your actual gameplay AND THE SAME SLIDERS AS THE GROUP IN SEASON MODE what happen and what you think needs to be Address as I now really think this game was made to be played on default or near .
Thanks

[The Chef]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

Im enjoying All-Star and find myself getting closer and closer to getting back to default as well. As of right now, these are the only changes Ive made...

USER
RP Stamina (0)
SP Stamina (6)

CPU
RP Stamina (0)
Pitcher Control (0)
Strike Frequency (1)

GLOBAL
Fielder Run Speed (0)

Thats it, I use meter so I dont touch my own control settings. I also use guess pitch so take that into account when looking at the settings above. I am currently 3-2 with the Dodgers after coming back from a 5-0 deficit to beat Arizona in ten innings by a score of 7-6. The only switch I see coming anytime soon would be to raise RP Stamina back up for the CPU to the 2/3 range as it seems if your in a series and a team needs to go to their pen early then the next game they are like tossing batting practice. In that last game Doug Davis absolutely owned me giving up only 2 hits in 5.2 before I chased him from the game and the relievers came in and through gasoline on the fire right from the start, so Im hoping that raising RP Stamina will allow them to have more from day to day and be more competitive when pitching because of that.

EDIT- Forgot to mention, Im a swing only guy so keep that in mind as well as I dont use the left stick to hit at all.

[dorismary]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

Im enjoying All-Star and find myself getting closer and closer to getting back to default as well. As of right now, these are the only changes Ive made...

USER
RP Stamina (0)
SP Stamina (6)

CPU
RP Stamina (0)
Pitcher Control (0)
Strike Frequency (1)

GLOBAL
Fielder Run Speed (0)

Thats it, I use meter so I dont touch my own control settings. I also use guess pitch so take that into account when looking at the settings above. I am currently 3-2 with the Dodgers after coming back from a 5-0 deficit to beat Arizona in ten innings by a score of 7-6. The only switch I see coming anytime soon would be to raise RP Stamina back up for the CPU to the 2/3 range as it seems if your in a series and a team needs to go to their pen early then the next game they are like tossing batting practice. In that last game Doug Davis absolutely owned me giving up only 2 hits in 5.2 before I chased him from the game and the relievers came in and through gasoline on the fire right from the start, so Im hoping that raising RP Stamina will allow them to have more from day to day and be more competitive when pitching because of that.

EDIT- Forgot to mention, Im a swing only guy so keep that in mind as well as I dont use the left stick to hit at all.

Thanks Chef ,
For giggles I did what the sliders said lower hu pitch control then lower cpu contact and it wasnt the same or what I thought it would just trying to throw some walks but the gameplay changed .
I do know that once my Confidence is shaky I will throw walks but by then its too late , still want a random walk and I know I can get um when I bat .
I think the only givins are RP 0 .
I wanna give up walks and your on meter so you must be giving some up ?
but Why cpu control at O , why didnt you just lower strikes as most have done .
I feel like im just playing again !!!! but I wanna give up walks . Im not crazy about meter pitch alot of fluff IMO .
So will it help without giving up alot as im pretty good at meter also .
Plus I know on AS I will have to pitch around some hitters at times .
Oh do you ever feel the cpu mimics you ? i mean like you score they score ?
I LOVE THIS GAME !

[The Chef]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

I will try and answer the questions in order...

1. Im not really walking anymore then 1-2 per game total, normally its 1 with my starter and then the random 1 from a reliever. I honestly dont think there is anyway for the human to walk batters realistically unless you upped your control to 10 and pitched exclusively to the corners this way when you miss you miss outside the zone and less over the plate.

2. Why CPU control? The way I see it, lowering the control only makes the balls thrown more pronounced and easier to identify, meaning a ball is no longer just a pitch on the black that isnt called a strike but can be a pitch that misses by a great distance. Strike Frequency only has to do with the CPU throwing balls vs strikes early in the count, lowering this causes the CPU to pitch a little more from behind in the count, these two sliders are completely different in terms of what they accomplish.

3. I have yet to see the CPU mimic me as you described it. I was down 5-0 last game, battled back to make it 5-5, went up 6-5 only to blow it in the 8th only to then win it in the 10th. Previous game I won 10-0 and held them to 2 hits by Kershaw. I think anything can happen in this game and honestly have yet to see this "comeback" logic that people keep reporting.

[dorismary]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

I will try and answer the questions in order...

1. Im not really walking anymore then 1-2 per game total, normally its 1 with my starter and then the random 1 from a reliever. I honestly dont think there is anyway for the human to walk batters realistically unless you upped your control to 10 and pitched exclusively to the corners this way when you miss you miss outside the zone and less over the plate.
thats all i want , but i agree and dont wanna screw up 10 things to fix one.


2. Why CPU control? The way I see it, lowering the control only makes the balls thrown more pronounced and easier to identify, meaning a ball is no longer just a pitch on the black that isnt called a strike but can be a pitch that misses by a great distance. Strike Frequency only has to do with the CPU throwing balls vs strikes early in the count, lowering this causes the CPU to pitch a little more from behind in the count, these two sliders are completely different in terms of what they accomplish.
this i disagree with as you will possible have more wierd
pb , wild pitches .
I have the cpu strike at 1 but i may raise it .
was going up against timmay l Sf and i wouldnt have seen a ball

3. I have yet to see the CPU mimic me as you described it. I was down 5-0 last game, battled back to make it 5-5, went up 6-5 only to blow it in the 8th only to then win it in the 10th. Previous game I won 10-0 and held them to 2 hits by Kershaw. I think anything can happen in this game and honestly have yet to see this "comeback" logic that people keep reporting.

I saw this alot on veteran when i started but im smarter now , so will see
thanks alot

[dorismary]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

what pitch speed do you use ? thanks

OK , I CAN ONLY TELL YOU IF YOUR A TWEAKER PLAY THIS GAME ON ALLSTAR DEFAULT !
OMG , it really wont get any better than this without a patch , cant explain it but without changes i have seen smoother animations a crash at the plate , a double ricchoet off of SS glove ECT all realistic .
Im done here guys i even got a few walks .
The only thing i changed was RP stamina cpu/hu 0
CPU throw strike 1 may go up a bit as i was playing Timmy SF lost 2-1 12 ing SF at lad me
SF 2-11-1 LAD 1-11-0.
If you do tweak anything else I suggest baby steps on pitch/bat !
I will have to study cpu stealing attempts lol but this wont effect gameplay . ENJOY !

[The Chef]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

I use pitch speed of default.

As it pertains to the CPU Control slider, check out the description for the consistency slider as it talks about it effecting wild pitches and passed balls I believe. If this is true then surely they dont have two sliders that effect the same thing, control is how close they get to their spot, consistency isnt. I hope I made sense but from messing with sliders this is what Ive seen so far.

[dorismary]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

I use pitch speed of default.

As it pertains to the CPU Control slider, check out the description for the consistency slider as it talks about it effecting wild pitches and passed balls I believe. If this is true then surely they dont have two sliders that effect the same thing, control is how close they get to their spot, consistency isnt. I hope I made sense but from messing with sliders this is what Ive seen so far.

me too on speed,
I understand but it seems when on zero ill have no control , i mean i dont wanna aim inside and high and have it go down the middle ? your experience on this with good and bad pitchers thanks so much man

[rudyjuly2]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

On All-Star I think that pitch control is too good for both the user and cpu. I think the fielding errors are completely broken on this level. I would say reliever stamina is too high on default and that fielder speed is too fast which still can prevent doubles on some gappers and definitely on hits down the line.

Everything else is more user preference/skill related stuff imo.

[RogueHominid]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

On All-Star I think that pitch control is too good for both the user and cpu. I think the fielding errors are completely broken on this level. I would say reliever stamina is too high on default and that fielder speed is too fast which still can prevent doubles on some gappers and definitely on hits down the line.

Everything else is more user preference/skill related stuff imo.

IDK about CPU pitcher stuff, rudy, but you may have a larger sample size than I do to work from. I played 10-15 games on HOF and looked at strike/ball ratios, then played a bunch on AS and noticed that they were a little better (more 50/50) or about the same.

The thing that makes the biggest difference is that on HOF, the difference between pitches is flattened out significantly. On AS, you can tell a curve is a curve the second it comes out of the hand. And the speed is just a tad slower than HOF, so you can be more selective without just guessing pre-pitch. That alone makes a tremendous difference with pitch counts.

Regarding walks, I'm now fiddling with Classic, so we'll see how that goes, but my approach is not to give in to guys who can hurt me. Unless it's a bottom of the order guy, I try not to groove balls 2-1 or sometimes even 3-1. To my mind, this is realistic strategically, and a walk is better than a double or a HR. And given the potency of the CPU offense this go-round, it makes sense.

I still have more labbing to do, but so long as it's not a hit-fest, AS default may be promising. More 10-hit games every game is really the only thing I'm worried about, so we'll see how that goes.

[dorismary]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

Ok I just won 3-1 Cinc me vs Pitts .
Good game overall , but I did turn off variable umps so cpu cant use another cheat , got scarred in the 8th Doumit hit in a liner DP and was out a first by a step but was safe lol worse than Orta in 85 series.
Pit 1-8-0 0w ,2/2sb ,pit k me 10
Cin 3-7-0 2w 2/4sb ,I k Pit 6

BIG QUESTION what do you guys do when your in trouble on the mound , doesnt matter what inning they hit or dont swing (cpu energy BOOST), I do a mound visit but it normally doesnt boot confidence to much for Hu.
Maybe not a cheat but theres a momentum boost or something .
The only change I made was pitch speed to 0 , Cu pitch strike to 1 and Umps OFF
Thanks for any suggestions
oh has anyone simmed a season with these to check stats ?

[RogueHominid]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

In total I've played 25 games or so, and I've won and lost on HOF and All Star. I never felt cheated, though.

Here's what I think: this game forces you to manage each at bat, each pitch, each inning closely. If I see a starter begin to struggle at the end of the 4th, I'm warming up 2 guys so if he falls apart in the 5th I have a replacement ready. If that guy comes out flat (and this happens in real life, a lot), I have another guy to work with.

In the 7th, 8th, and 9th innings, I will always have a lefty and a righty going, if I'm not absolutely dominating on the mound. And I don't groove pitches or try to get over pitches that aren't working great that day in key situations. That alone keeps me from major screw ups a good bit of the time.

I'm thinking of rolling with the Pirates for fun, and they're a good example of how you have to contextualize results. Their pitching staff from #3 on down is a nightmare. There are gonna be lots of games where I just get shelled because those guys can't maintain composure and consistency. It might seem like the CPU is just raking unfairly, but scraps get eaten, you know?

A great analog to this thread might be a managing strategy guide to help those of us (myself included, obviously) stay on top of things from a manegerial and strategic standpoint to minimize mistakes. Cause when you make a mistake in this game, you pay.

[dorismary]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

In total I've played 25 games or so, and I've won and lost on HOF and All Star. I never felt cheated, though.

Here's what I think: this game forces you to manage each at bat, each pitch, each inning closely. If I see a starter begin to struggle at the end of the 4th, I'm warming up 2 guys so if he falls apart in the 5th I have a replacement ready. If that guy comes out flat (and this happens in real life, a lot), I have another guy to work with.

In the 7th, 8th, and 9th innings, I will always have a lefty and a righty going, if I'm not absolutely dominating on the mound. And I don't groove pitches or try to get over pitches that aren't working great that day in key situations. That alone keeps me from major screw ups a good bit of the time.

I'm thinking of rolling with the Pirates for fun, and they're a good example of how you have to contextualize results. Their pitching staff from #3 on down is a nightmare. There are gonna be lots of games where I just get shelled because those guys can't maintain composure and consistency. It might seem like the CPU is just raking unfairly, but scraps get eaten, you know?

A great analog to this thread might be a managing strategy guide to help those of us (myself included, obviously) stay on top of things from a manegerial and strategic standpoint to minimize mistakes. Cause when you make a mistake in this game, you pay.

Points well taken and maybe your correct but something kicks in when your pitching and you get into a little trouble .
Its a confidence thing and its way to drastic, I even purposly thru a pitch way inside/low wainright the pitcher and the ball wound up right down the middle and he hit it for a single right up the middle
I am loving this alot on AS and will try to manage better , ill let you know , im just glad i switched
thanks .
PS I see plenty of extra base hits downline , gap , over head ect , everything ! HRs are a bit light to start . Thats why I wont change fielding

[spyder23]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

I use pitch speed of default.

As it pertains to the CPU Control slider, check out the description for the consistency slider as it talks about it effecting wild pitches and passed balls I believe. If this is true then surely they dont have two sliders that effect the same thing, control is how close they get to their spot, consistency isnt. I hope I made sense but from messing with sliders this is what Ive seen so far.

Please don't take this the wrong way. But I hate when you post in a thread b/c I can't stop staring at those damn floatation devices. Jesus, please tell me that's a random girl on vacation. Or better yet, your gf!

Anyways, back on topic.

I think All-Star default, Classic pitching, no aides is the way to go. I see errors all the time so I'm surprised that people think it's broken. My idiot fielders bungle at least 1-2 chances per game. Last night the cpu had three errors in one game. I like the variety it provides.

[dorismary]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

Please don't take this the wrong way. But I hate when you post in a thread b/c I can't stop staring at those damn floatation devices. Jesus, please tell me that's a random girl on vacation. Or better yet, your gf!

Anyways, back on topic.

I think All-Star default, Classic pitching, no aides is the way to go. I see errors all the time so I'm surprised that people think it's broken. My idiot fielders bungle at least 1-2 chances per game. Last night the cpu had three errors in one game. I like the variety it provides.

the chick is some english model ,
yeah errors are there no problem .
I love the gameplay on default also .
I dont want anyone to misunderstand im not complaining I just wanna figure this stuff out.
Well im gonna do my best joe torre and its already working thanks autum