Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

[RogueHominid]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

not on default you gotta adjust them Im at cpu pitch 5-3-0 and im very happy:wink:

Yeah, I keep debating. I don't like messing with many sliders, and this game is very well tuned. After finding that I'd gotten a bit better with some practice, I wanted to go back and see what default AS gave me. But before I did I wanted to see if others were still playing on default and what they were finding.

I think I can live without adjusting anything else, so long as balls and strikes are right. Is the 5-3-0 all you're working with as far as adjustments go?

[dorismary]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

Yeah, I keep debating. I don't like messing with many sliders, and this game is very well tuned. After finding that I'd gotten a bit better with some practice, I wanted to go back and see what default AS gave me. But before I did I wanted to see if others were still playing on default and what they were finding.

I think I can live without adjusting anything else, so long as balls and strikes are right. Is the 5-3-0 all you're working with as far as adjustments go?

Dont no how to post um but I created new ones under Naturals Allstar version .

[The Chef]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

Im not too far from default but I too would be somewhat curious to hear what others are seeing who are playing at default completely.

[RogueHominid]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

Im not too far from default but I too would be somewhat curious to hear what others are seeing who are playing at default completely.

I think I'm going to settle with default with 2 adjustments: CPU pitching consistency down 2 and strike frequency down 5.

The more I play the more I think the only thing that needs any tweaking is the CPU ball to strike ratio. I just ran a couple of lab games, and everything else is there. I can go hot or cold with my pitcher, with my bats, I see errors, I see balls ripped past fielders, so I'm ready to rock and enjoy the game.

My concern once you start tweaking too much is spillover. Fixing one thing might complicate another. With the pitching settings above, you see balls and strikes at a reasonable rate, but the walks that come still have to be earned and aren't at the expense of a bunch of meat balls. You can still K a bunch if the pitcher is on, so it's the best of both worlds imo.

[pbz06]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

I think I'm going to settle with default with 2 adjustments: CPU pitching consistency down 2 and strike frequency down 5.

The more I play the more I think the only thing that needs any tweaking is the CPU ball to strike ratio. I just ran a couple of lab games, and everything else is there. I can go hot or cold with my pitcher, with my bats, I see errors, I see balls ripped past fielders, so I'm ready to rock and enjoy the game.

My concern once you start tweaking too much is spillover. Fixing one thing might complicate another. With the pitching settings above, you see balls and strikes at a reasonable rate, but the walks that come still have to be earned and aren't at the expense of a bunch of meat balls. You can still K a bunch if the pitcher is on, so it's the best of both worlds imo.

As you know, I'm on the same boat. I'm 100% satisfied with the CPU Strike Frequency and Consistency the way I (we) have it. Everything else right now is still default for User/CPU hitting and pitching.

Although I'm still using Blzer's GLOBAL slider changes, which I think are great and fit my "opinions"

I'll try Psycho's too, since his seem to be very minimal changes to User/CPU too.

But overall, I'm pretty pleased with the results by changing only the above mentioned sliders.

[RogueHominid]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

As you know, I'm on the same boat. I'm 100% satisfied with the CPU Strike Frequency and Consistency the way I (we) have it. Everything else right now is still default for User/CPU hitting and pitching.

Although I'm still using Blzer's GLOBAL slider changes, which I think are great and fit my "opinions"

I'll try Psycho's too, since his seem to be very minimal changes to User/CPU too.

But overall, I'm pretty pleased with the results by changing only the above mentioned sliders.

Yeah, kudos to you for suggesting that pitching slider setup. It's perfect IMO!

The rest is totally preference. I don't see much reason to try to change the way every aspect of the game, and the pitching is the only part that seems to need it to me, but more power to anyone who can get more fun out of the game by tweaking other stuff. This community is lucky to have some really great roster and slider makers.

[The Chef]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

Yeah, I think slight changes are the way to go this year personally. Ive changed only a few settings for the CPU Pitchers to get a few more hanging pitches since Im a swing only player and the results have been pretty good so far. I was concerned that my team hadnt hit over .250 for the last 3 games and then they suddenly had 18 hits in my last game so I guess that fear is gone now. The last thing is the walks issue, I drew 5 against SF but in the 2 games since then Ive drawn 1 walk total so hopefully the walks come back soon. Right now Im 9-2 but I was something like 18th in batting average coming into my last game, its my pitching that is winning me games. If there is any changes to be made down the road it will be to bolster the CPU's offense as there have been a lot of times where I dont even pay attention to pitching anymore since the CPU seems completely inept at doing anything offensively anyways.

[pberardi]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

I think I'm going to settle with default with 2 adjustments: CPU pitching consistency down 2 and strike frequency down 5.

The more I play the more I think the only thing that needs any tweaking is the CPU ball to strike ratio. I just ran a couple of lab games, and everything else is there. I can go hot or cold with my pitcher, with my bats, I see errors, I see balls ripped past fielders, so I'm ready to rock and enjoy the game.

My concern once you start tweaking too much is spillover. Fixing one thing might complicate another. With the pitching settings above, you see balls and strikes at a reasonable rate, but the walks that come still have to be earned and aren't at the expense of a bunch of meat balls. You can still K a bunch if the pitcher is on, so it's the best of both worlds imo.

I've been playing with strike% 0, cpu con 3 and control 5 and getting good results. I'm seeing a nice balance of balls and strikes. Walks are still a bit stingy especially with front rotation guys. But they are certainly there.

Just so you know, after playing 6 games on HOF I'm back to Allstar. Allstar plays at a comfortable level for me. I don't want to trash HOF but it just seems far to scripted and the on/off comeback issue is prevalent. I do not see the same issues on AS.
I found my hitting approach completely changed on HOF. I was hitting to prevent 2 strike counts in order to avoid striking out on another change up or curve in the dirt! That's no fun.

[pbz06]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

I've been playing with strike% 0, cpu con 3 and control 5 and getting good results. I'm seeing a nice balance of balls and strikes. Walks are still a bit stingy especially with front rotation guys. But they are certainly there.

Yup, that's the way to go IMHO.

[Howie75]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

Yup, that's the way to go IMHO.

I have lowered consistency -2, and I guess I will try lowering pitch control and strike % as you guys have suggested.

My hitting sucks, which is okay, because I know if I concentrate it will improve.

The one thing I also would like to see is throwing a few more K's against the CPU. I am able to generate some but I still lose too many hitters on 0-2 counts. Any suggestions?

[DJ]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

I have lowered consistency -2, and I guess I will try lowering pitch control and strike % as you guys have suggested.

My hitting sucks, which is okay, because I know if I concentrate it will improve.

The one thing I also would like to see is throwing a few more K's against the CPU. I am able to generate some but I still lose too many hitters on 0-2 counts. Any suggestions?

On 0-2 pitches, I always try and throw a junk pitch. You can get guys with low plate discipline to swing at these pitches and they'll usually miss for a K. Mixing speeds 0-2 works well, also.

[dorismary]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

Im working on this :
Playing in the playoffs and im doing ok 50/50 but I just cant stand if I score a few the the CPU coming right back with a vengance the next inning .
Now most/me on AS have cpu batting sliders at
contact 3
power 6
timing 4
fouls 6
solid hits 4
I know this agressive next inning cpu success thing is caused by cpu timing at 4 or higher .
So for 2 games I changed my cpu hitting sliders to
contact 4 +1 , might raise more
power 7 +1 , might raise more
timing 3 -1 WONT TOUCH ! lol
fouls 6 might raise +1
solid hits 3 wont touch !
Im not trying to cheat the cpu just lessing its comeback success a tad.
I also may lower my Pitch control to 4 to help balance but I just cant take scoring 2 runs and the cpu coming right back .
Oh in those 2 games the Cpu still had 2 Hr , 5 doubles , 2 triples and only 13 hits and plenty of well hit balls. STL vs Lad.
I hoping to find a combo inbetween cpu timing of 3 and 4 .
so I will try and adjust it using cpu contact or hu pitch control .

[The Chef]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

Well Im afraid I might be back to tweaking things as my walks have damn near vanished and the CPU is throwing strikes at nearly 75% every game suddenly. Im currently running with...

CPU Pitch Control (2)
CPU Pitch Consistency (6)
CPU Strike Frequency (5)

Now Im not sure if its as easy as lowering the strike frequency down as Ive noticed that rudyjuly, blzer and psychobulk all have this at 1/0/2 respectively. I thought for sure everyone had lowered the consistency slider at one point to help but looking at these same 3 sets and they have it at 5/6/4 so apparently the only person to lower it and keep it lowered is psychobulk. I know some people might be put off by the pitch control slider at 2 but as a swing only player I need some pitches to catch more of the plate so thats why I have this there, and to be honest, my guys seem to end up hitting weak grounders or fly balls even when its right over the heart of the plate so this isnt helping much anyways.

So, is lowering the strike frequency slider to 1 or 0 going to help with the walks total as well as the force the CPU to battle a little more often? Im VERY patient at the plate but with my settings the CPU is coming out there and basically pounding the strike zone so much that Im always quickly behind 0-2 so not only does that make it really tough to draw any walks but it kills your batting average since all your doing now is protecting and hoping for the best. In my last game against Colorado Aaron Cook came out and threw nearly 80% for strikes and just dominated me, I made it a game thanks to a 2-run homerun off of Street in the 9th, but I went on to lose 4-3 anyways. Ive walked 2 times in the last 3 games now and both of those were only because the ump pinched the pitcher on a close pitch to put me on. Any help or suggestions would be much appreciated.

[dorismary]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

As it was explained to me lowering cpu pitch const will make it easier to tell balls and strikes and to draw walks and its works great for me .
Now you still have show patience and at 3 I havent had any issues with Wp, bb ect as i once feared it being that low .
hope this helps

[pbz06]

Re: Breaking this Game Down on AllStar ,group effort

Well Im afraid I might be back to tweaking things as my walks have damn near vanished and the CPU is throwing strikes at nearly 75% every game suddenly. Im currently running with...

CPU Pitch Control (2)
CPU Pitch Consistency (6)
CPU Strike Frequency (5)

Now Im not sure if its as easy as lowering the strike frequency down as Ive noticed that rudyjuly, blzer and psychobulk all have this at 1/0/2 respectively. I thought for sure everyone had lowered the consistency slider at one point to help but looking at these same 3 sets and they have it at 5/6/4 so apparently the only person to lower it and keep it lowered is psychobulk. I know some people might be put off by the pitch control slider at 2 but as a swing only player I need some pitches to catch more of the plate so thats why I have this there, and to be honest, my guys seem to end up hitting weak grounders or fly balls even when its right over the heart of the plate so this isnt helping much anyways.

So, is lowering the strike frequency slider to 1 or 0 going to help with the walks total as well as the force the CPU to battle a little more often? Im VERY patient at the plate but with my settings the CPU is coming out there and basically pounding the strike zone so much that Im always quickly behind 0-2 so not only does that make it really tough to draw any walks but it kills your batting average since all your doing now is protecting and hoping for the best. In my last game against Colorado Aaron Cook came out and threw nearly 80% for strikes and just dominated me, I made it a game thanks to a 2-run homerun off of Street in the 9th, but I went on to lose 4-3 anyways. Ive walked 2 times in the last 3 games now and both of those were only because the ump pinched the pitcher on a close pitch to put me on. Any help or suggestions would be much appreciated.

CPU Strike Frequency: 0 (-5)
CPU Consistency: 3 (-2)
CPU Control: 5 (0, default)

The Chef,
Just try it out how I have it and see how it goes. You basically sound exactly like me before I settled on my combo. Don't worry about me being a L-stick guy and you being a swing only. Just try it out and see if you like the pitching first. And then you can tweak the Control a little more to allow for more meatballs (and strikes) if your hitting doesn't work out.

First thing first, I think the CPU Strike Frequency needs to be at 0, or 1 at the most. I think everybody agrees that the CPU throws way too many strikes, no matter if it's Peavy or Joe Schmoe from AA. By lowering it to 0, the elite pitchers STILL throw mostly strikes, but it's WAAAAY more tolerable and you can actually at least raise their pitch count a bit more. Worst case, if you can't draw your walks, you can at least make them work a little more. I have gotten Peavy to be in the 66-72% range for strike ratio, which is close to real, although a bit high still..but very good for a video game. The lower tier pitchers, I can get them in the 60-65% range which is ideal for me.

Now the next issue, CPU Consistency. I think this is good with a couple clicks down. Right now I have it at 3 (-2), and works well with the Strike Frequency. The problem with default COnsistency is that the CPU pelts the corners a lot, which makes it hard to determine if they're balls or strikes. I mean constantly, they're just pelting corners. So this plays a big part in drawing walks. If you look at the pitch chart with Consistency at default, you will see their "ranges" of pitches have a high concentration within, or just outside the strike zone. So even if you lower the STrike Frequency, you will still see a lot of fouls/strikes/swing&misses just because you can't tell if it's a Ball.

By lowering the Consistency, it "widens" their range of pitches and makes it a bit easier to distinguish the balls/strikes, so I think it blends good with the lower Strike Frequency. Look at the pitching charts after doing this, and you will see a better variety of locations. Not just corner strikes/balls that are borderline and hard to determine.

The Control I leave it at default. I don't want to lower it because that just means more "fat" pitches and even more strikes. I am also hesitant of raising it, because hitting is already kind of hard so I don't want to give the CPU any more bonuses.

Just try 3 games each with some elite pitcher...and then 3 games with a lower tier pitcher. Just to get a feel. Worry about getting the CPU to pitch the way you like it, before moving on and tweaking it to allow you to be a swing only player.