*****The 'Perfect' Slider Set***** MLB 10 - The Show

[ParisB]

Re: *****The 'Perfect' Slider Set***** MLB 10 - The Show

I already have solid hits at 0. Will turning contact down to 3 or 4 result in too few weak hits even with perfect timing? I just want a good balance. I like the 10+ hit games, but not every single game. I want to play some games where I can only scratch out 3-4 hits. It just takes the enjoyment out of the game if it is a shootout every time. I don't want every batter on my team batting .300.

No, I've been playing with Contact at 3 for a while and my team BA is .270. I just lost a 2-0 game where I had 5 hits off Westbrook.

Reducing Timing (start with 1 click, so at 4) also helps reduce lasers, especially for the CPU. I wouldn't go Contact lower than 3 for now, but you should see less hits with Timing at 4...and if still a problem, try it at 3.

It might be placebo effect, but I feel like a see a little better variety of hits with Timing/Contact reduced a bit.

[Gagnon39]

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I don't really want to lower timing because I already srikeout way too much.

[ParisB]

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I don't really want to lower timing because I already srikeout way too much.

If you're striking out too much, that's a skill issue, not a slider issue. Lowering Timing another notch or two isn't going to increase your K's. It will definitely decrease the amount of hits

No slider in the world will help you swinging (and missing) at pitches out of the zone.

[Gagnon39]

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Are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure that lowering timing will decrease your window to make contact with the ball resulting in more missed balls and therefore more strikeouts.

[ParisB]

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Are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure that lowering timing will decrease your window to make contact with the ball resulting in more missed balls and therefore more strikeouts.

Yes, man. I'm positive.

Timing affects the "window" of getting a good result on a swing that's early/perfect/late. It doesn't affect the ability of making contact. If you crank it up, theoretically you can still see good hitting results on poorly timed swings. Turning it down to 0, you will almost need to have perfect timing to see a lot of hits. Of course there's variance in there too....

Contact is similar, but it affects your plate coverage. The ability to get a good hit or swing on a ball that might have otherwise jammed you, had you reaching, swinging under, or over the pitch. Hence the name. Crank that up, you will see better hitting results because you're able to get hits off pitches you would normally be popping up or grounding out. Turn it down to 0, you will need to basically put the fat part of the bat (use L-stick for plate coverage) to get good hits.

On top of that, the player attributes are taken in effect as well. So bumping down Contact to 0, you will still see a Joe Mauer or Ichiro having better results than a Nick Punto.

The hitting aspect of The Show is a lot more deep than people realize. It's not a simple button push. A lot of calculations happen "under the hood". It all works together on every swing (user input, player attributes, randomness etc).

Either way, you seem reluctant to to make any adjustments so I don't know what else to tell you.

And I promise you, you striking out too much is a Skill issue of swinging at garbage pitches Trust me, I used to strike out an easy 10-14 times per game. But i simply developed a better eye and have since gotten a lot better.

Like I said, I play with Contact at 3 and Timing at 4 (which is what Psycho had last year) and I strike out a lot less than when I had it at default because since then I have simply became a better hitter.

[Pittsburghkid]

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in order for me to win I have to hit homeruns. its like homerun derby for me at times. not enough bloop singles or doubles. I'm on all star settings and have everything at default except for fielder speed and fielder reaction. Should I start using the perfect sliders instead? Any opinions? I use meter pitching and I saw something about changing something with the perfect slider set if used. is that still needed?

what exacly will the perfect slider system change for me?

[Dabeeds]

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What about the hitting skill levels ? How do they factor into this ? Who's been playing on legend, and how is it compared to HOF or AS ? I like the idea of having to use the l-stick to get good contact on those pitches that aren't close to the middle of the plate.

[Gagnon39]

Re: *****The 'Perfect' Slider Set***** MLB 10 - The Show

What about the hitting skill levels ? How do they factor into this ? Who's been playing on legend, and how is it compared to HOF or AS ? I like the idea of having to use the l-stick to get good contact on those pitches that aren't close to the middle of the plate.

I've wondered this as well. I always play on All-Star because it says this is the "normal" setting. Anything lower or higher seems to just raise/lower CPU attributes unrealistically.

[TripleThreat1973]

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in order for me to win I have to hit homeruns. its like homerun derby for me at times. not enough bloop singles or doubles. I'm on all star settings and have everything at default except for fielder speed and fielder reaction. Should I start using the perfect sliders instead? Any opinions? I use meter pitching and I saw something about changing something with the perfect slider set if used. is that still needed?

what exacly will the perfect slider system change for me?

Solid Hits at 1 works for me. Anything 2 or greater results in essentially every ball being a liner. Zero for solid hits results in too much weak contact (for both teams).

[Pittsburghkid]

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Solid Hits at 1 works for me. Anything 2 or greater results in essentially every ball being a liner. Zero for solid hits results in too much weak contact (for both teams).

Thanks, you explained it perfectly. its nothing but line drives and homers. I'll try it later. What kind of sliders do you use?

[Infinite202]

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Solid Hits at 1 works for me. Anything 2 or greater results in essentially every ball being a liner. Zero for solid hits results in too much weak contact (for both teams).

Psycho, what are your thoughts on the difference between solid hits at 0 and at 1?

[InSainn]

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I love these sliders but there are two things I would adjust for realism. I set pitch speed at it's highest level because let's face it, even set that high, compared to real MLB pitching it's still a lil on the slow side. Yes, it makes hitting an even bigger challenge but once you adjust your timing it'll make you a better player and 2. I turned the wind effect all the way up, now, maybe it's just because I'm a Cub fan and play half my games in Wrigley but I found at default that wind blowing in or out didn't matter, I could still hit the long ball but now, just last night I played a game and D-Lee smacked one that off the bat looked like it could have been outta the park completely but in true Wrigley fashion the ball go up in the air and just kinda lost it's momentum falling as a warning track fly ball out. Now, that said, I haven't gone on the road since making that adjustment. Hopefully when I get into a stadium that is more closed in I would see as dramatic effect. Otherwise I'll probably have to play with the slider a lil and find something in between...

[TripleThreat1973]

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I'm not a big fan of asking for opinions based on how someone remembers something or how they feel about it, because hum,an memory and emotion can be very unreliable (including my own).

I do, however, collect data (quickly and easily).

Here's what I have experienced in my franchise playing as the White Sox ...



The "CC11" sliders are basically the Pefect sliders with these adjustments:
[1] Solid Hits = 1
[2] IF Reaction Time = 4
[3] OF Arm = 3

If I didn't turn down OF arm strength Carlos Quentin was going to make people forget Roberto Clemente.

As you can see in the slider comparison, no matter what sliders you use, you'll get a decent amount of realism because the game's engine is good. For me, the sliders resulted in what I called "dead ball era" games. The increase in HR/G is mainly due to me giving up more homers on the mound, and the 6 HR game I just had against NYY, which my 3 HR's was a fluke (3 for NYY v. Floyd), as I likely won't do that again for a month. It was also my first game switching from guess pitch classic 1/4 to default.

The solid hits slider is zeroed out, hurting the offense. Pitcher control is turned up, as is consistency, so pitching is made better ... and IF reaction time is ten, so the defense is imporved. IMO, the perfect sliders provided (for me) exactly what they should have ... a game heavy on pitching and defense. Like I said, I play with the White Sox (CircleChange11 franchise at VSN), and that works in my advanatge, I just don't like 2-1 and 3-2 games ALL the time.

You can see the difference in runs per game in the table above.

I used perfect sliders for 13 games, CC11 (mine) sliders for 10 games.

I have also turned down (just recently) pitcher control to 5 and pitcher consistency to 6, for a little less control. I don;t really want to see Peavy go 30-0, even though it'd work in my favor (at 6 and 7, he's just a marksman).

[Scott]

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If you want a real control challenge, turn user control and consistency to 0. I always have CPU strike frequency and consistency at 0. In a game vs. Masterson & the Indians, I walked a total of 7 times and walked them a total of 3 times.

[Chappy]

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I cannot score ANY runs to save my life with these sliders.. I'm playing as the RedSox.. I last in Team Bat Avg in about 8 games. I try letting the first pitch go by and to get the pitchers count up. Seems every hit is to someone or a dribbler.....