Looking for some advice on Pitcher Consistency slider..

[Phoenixmgs]

Re: Looking for some advice on Pitcher Consistency slider..

Could everyone post their pitching sliders along with whether you're using meter or classic?

Classic pitching for me:
User:
Pitch Control - 5
Pitcher Consistency - 7

CPU:
Pitch Control - 7
Pitcher Consistency - 7
Strike Frequency - 5

The CPU pitching sliders work great for ball/strike ratios. However, I will still see unrealistic spurts of wild pitches, so I'm working finding a set that can control wild pitches and yield good ball-to-strike ratios.

I knew someone came up with this theory last year but I couldn't remember what the final settings they used were, and I remember them working really well for drawing walks.
Brunnoce it might have been you.

He did but it wasn't last year, it was in 08.
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ol-slider.html

[Dabeeds]

Re: Looking for some advice on Pitcher Consistency slider..

Classic pitching for me:
User:
Pitch Control - 5
Pitcher Consistency - 7

CPU:
Pitch Control - 7
Pitcher Consistency - 7
Strike Frequency - 5

The CPU pitching sliders work great for ball/strike ratios. However, I will still see unrealistic spurts of wild pitches, so I'm working finding a set that can control wild pitches and yield good ball-to-strike ratios.




He did but it wasn't last year, it was in 08.
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ol-slider.html

Is that cpu strike frequency minus 5, or default ?

[Phoenixmgs]

Re: Looking for some advice on Pitcher Consistency slider..

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[ParisB]

Re: Looking for some advice on Pitcher Consistency slider..

the passed balls issue is always there, always has been...regardless of the sliders

with that said, people try too hard to artificially change the "feel" of the game just to produce the perfect experience in every facet of the game

that is also a version of SLIDER HELL, lol....we're never going to be 100% happy

with that said, lowering Consistency a tad gives a better/natural feel. It widens the range of pin point accuracy from the CPU and adds a little bit of variance.

CHECK THE PITCHING CHARTS after every game with a Consistency of +10, and a Consistency of -2 from default. You will see that lower Consistency and Strike Frequency gives a much more diverse chart that expands outside of the strike zone. If you raise Consistency and keep strike frequency to 5, the majority of the CPU's pitches seem to find the strike zone or not stray very far from it

Lowering CPU Strike Frequency is a must too.....constant 75-85% first strikes from every pitcher is ridiculous no matter how you slice it.

Control, you don't want to lower it. It just adds more meatballs and makes it easier to mash the ball

[Phoenixmgs]

Re: Looking for some advice on Pitcher Consistency slider..

CHECK THE PITCHING CHARTS after every game with a Consistency of +10, and a Consistency of -2 from default. You will see that lower Consistency and Strike Frequency gives a much more diverse chart that expands outside of the strike zone. If you raise Consistency and keep strike frequency to 5, the majority of the CPU's pitches seem to find the strike zone or not stray very far from it

Lowering CPU Strike Frequency is a must too.....constant 75-85% first strikes from every pitcher is ridiculous no matter how you slice it.

Control, you don't want to lower it. It just adds more meatballs and makes it easier to mash the ball

I don't agree with lowering strike frequency. I just didn't like the feel of the game with this slider lowered. I am just not seeing that high percentage of first pitch strikes.

I do agree that you definitely SHOULD NOT lower pitch control.

There's just some sort of co-dependency going on between the CPU pitch control and pitcher consistency sliders. I first moved up pitcher consistency to 7 to reduce wild pitches, but then pitchers became too accurate. I then upped pitch control to 7, and I really think the ball/strike ratio is great; pitchers with average control will struggle here and there during games to locate, pitchers with poor control will struggle overall to consistency get ahead but they'll have a few good innings control-wise, and good control pitchers will have good control. I noticed the wild pitch problem still at 7 & 7, I just had a game where Anthony Reyes hit a batter and threw 2 wild pitches in one inning; it wasn't just a fluke inning because I've seen too many of those innings happen. Then, next game I upped the pitcher consistency slider to 8 (pitch control still at 7), and the CPU becomes Greg Maddux on the mound. This was in a game facing Joba Chamberlain. I lower pitcher consistency back to 7 and I notice the difference immediately. He was throwing strikes at probably a 75% clip, I lower the slider and even with good confidence, he becomes realistically erratic.

[clownbaby]

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I feel like Legend Mode is best with default. I am pretty certain it matters which difficulty you play on.

[pberardi]

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What on earth are you guys talkin' about? I play with control on 4 and get a tremendous amount of walks between two franchises. First off, I don't recommend 4 for anyone but I have to say I honestly don't see that many more "meat" pitches at all.

Besides, my experience with cpu control above 5 (default) the cpu paints the corners with too much accuracy, especially with consistency above default.

At default, there are far too many games where the cpu gives me nothing to hit. I mean nothing. I could go entire games with no pitches over the plate.

This on HOF at least. What is wrong with being in a 3-0 or 3-1 count with a fatigued cpu on the mound whose struggling and getting a nice big fat one to hit. Believe me it doesn't happen often at 4 vs.default.

Will anyone deny that the cpu will throw 3 balls in a row, well off the plate and then all of a sudden find miraculous control and hit corner zones with laser precision? Then you face 3-2.

The cpu does not throw down the middle often on any slider count IMO. Yes more on 4 than say 7 but it still is not alot IMO.

I was getting bored with so many 3-2, 2-1 games that only until I lowered control was I able to read pitches better, fight off tough pitches and have really good at bats.

But....I will play a few games with it on 7 just to see what the hype is about.

[ParisB]

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What on earth are you guys talkin' about? I play with control on 4 and get a tremendous amount of walks between two franchises. First off, I don't recommend 4 for anyone but I have to say I honestly don't see that many more "meat" pitches at all.

Besides, my experience with cpu control above 5 (default) the cpu paints the corners with too much accuracy, especially with consistency above default.

At default, there are far too many games where the cpu gives me nothing to hit. I mean nothing. I could go entire games with no pitches over the plate.

This on HOF at least. What is wrong with being in a 3-0 or 3-1 count with a fatigued cpu on the mound whose struggling and getting a nice big fat one to hit. Believe me it doesn't happen often at 4 vs.default.

Will anyone deny that the cpu will throw 3 balls in a row, well off the plate and then all of a sudden find miraculous control and hit corner zones with laser precision? Then you face 3-2.

The cpu does not throw down the middle often on any slider count IMO. Yes more on 4 than say 7 but it still is not alot IMO.

I was getting bored with so many 3-2, 2-1 games that only until I lowered control was I able to read pitches better, fight off tough pitches and have really good at bats.

But....I will play a few games with it on 7 just to see what the hype is about.

I agree that raising control/consistency is not a good idea.

This is one setting I NEVER change when looking at other slider sets. I have tested the crap out of this and analyze pitching charts after each game. Every once in a while I bump them up just to confirm, and sure enough the CPU starts picking away at the corners with unreal accuracy, Greg Maddux in his prime.

I leave control at default (5) and Consistency either at default also or turn it down a notch.

People complain about too many wild pitches and passed balls, but that's a coding issue with the game. That issue is always there, even with sliders cranked up.

[Phoenixmgs]

Re: Looking for some advice on Pitcher Consistency slider..

I agree that raising control/consistency is not a good idea.

This is one setting I NEVER change when looking at other slider sets. I have tested the crap out of this and analyze pitching charts after each game. Every once in a while I bump them up just to confirm, and sure enough the CPU starts picking away at the corners with unreal accuracy, Greg Maddux in his prime.

I leave control at default (5) and Consistency either at default also or turn it down a notch.

People complain about too many wild pitches and passed balls, but that's a coding issue with the game. That issue is always there, even with sliders cranked up.

I don't have the wild pitch, pass ball, or hit-by-pitch issue. In my first 4 games of my real season since finalizing my sliders, the CPU has thrown 0 wild pitches and hit one batter.

Pitcher Control
Pitcher Consistency
- These two sliders for the CPU are dependent upon each other. The pitcher control slider is actually a pitcher control slider for the CPU. Raising pitcher control will normally raise the number of balls you see, the CPU will try to hit the corners more, which in turn means the CPU will miss out of the zone more. Lowering pitcher control increases strikes because the CPU will throw more meatballs. Pitcher consistency does the same thing as it does for the user. Here's where that dependency I'm talking about comes in; try using my slider settings for pitcher control (6) and pitcher consistency (8) for an inning, then use pitcher control (7) and pitcher consistency (8) and you'll see the CPU throw nothing but strikes. Put pitcher control and pitcher consistency both at (7) and you'll see a great ball/strike ratio but far too many wild pitches and hit-by-pitches.

Try those 3 sets of settings I listed for one inning each, you may have to play with the 7 & 7 for more than an inning to see the wild pitch issue crop up. At least try the 7 & 8 setting and either the 6 & 8 setting or the 7 & 7 setting. You should notice a huge difference in the ball/strike ration in just one inning. Try those settings against a pitcher who has probably anywhere from a 40 to 65 BB/9 rating. Lastly, use strike frequency at default.

[SFGiantsPBA]

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User and CPU

Control 2
Consistency 7

Meter Pitching

[aga11ah]

Re: Looking for some advice on Pitcher Consistency slider..

This on HOF at least. What is wrong with being in a 3-0 or 3-1 count with a fatigued cpu on the mound whose struggling and getting a nice big fat one to hit. Believe me it doesn't happen often at 4 vs.default.

Will anyone deny that the cpu will throw 3 balls in a row, well off the plate and then all of a sudden find miraculous control and hit corner zones with laser precision? Then you face 3-2.

The cpu does not throw down the middle often on any slider count IMO. Yes more on 4 than say 7 but it still is not alot IMO.

I was getting bored with so many 3-2, 2-1 games that only until I lowered control was I able to read pitches better, fight off tough pitches and have really good at bats.

But....I will play a few games with it on 7 just to see what the hype is about.

so true. I don't see how people are playing default sliders because of this.

I mean if you face Kevin Millwood, you honestly won't get ANYTHING to hit all game long. Basically every pitcher pitches the same on default, they all paint corners and it's very unrealistic. sure it's difficult but anyone that watches baseball knows it's a joke how the CPU pitches. if it was that easy 80% of the majors would be under 4 ERA. and thats obviously not the case.

I haven't been able to get the perfect combo of pitching sliders yet. still tinkering. ah

[pberardi]

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so true. I don't see how people are playing default sliders because of this.

I mean if you face Kevin Millwood, you honestly won't get ANYTHING to hit all game long. Basically every pitcher pitches the same on default, they all paint corners and it's very unrealistic. sure it's difficult but anyone that watches baseball knows it's a joke how the CPU pitches. if it was that easy 80% of the majors would be under 4 ERA. and thats obviously not the case.

I haven't been able to get the perfect combo of pitching sliders yet. still tinkering. ah

Last night I played a game with cpu control @ 4 and consistency at 5. I had 9 walks, I repeat, 9 walks and 9 strikeouts. The cpu even walked the bases loaded with no outs before the manager pulled the plug. Needless to say the cpu reliever came in and shut me down for no runs!(lol)

The point is walks are determined more by the # of pitches you chase and at what points in the count you swing. I honestly believe there are bonuses and penalties based on what pitches you swing at and which ones you layoff. People need to study the game closely.

Ever notice if you're ahead 2-0 and the cpu throws a fat changeup down the middle and you wince and say "darn, I could have killed that pitch!" Well the next pitch is usually a perfectly thrown strike on the black in the corner that you can't possibly hit. Now you're 2-2. You just wintnessed what happens when you fail to punish the cpu. Chances are you've blown any chance of walking.

Now I know people will say "I walk on 2-2 counts" and yes you can. It depends on if the cpu is facing Albert Pujols or the pitcher or...how you handle the next pitch. Do you swing at ball 3? or take a borderline pitch to go 3-2?

Also, ever notice borderline pitches usually are called strikes early in the count but when you're down 0-2, borderline pitches will be called balls to get to 2-2? If you swing at them and foul them off, you can forget about walking. That's why on 0-2, I will layoff anything that does not enter my wheelhouse center.

Look at the "chased" ball chart and you will see pitches you fouled off were classified as chased. That means you just swung at two pitches that could have been called ball 3 and 4! Ah....easier said then done. Yet those same pitches were called strikes the last at bat! So, consistency is very inconsistent which makes working the count very hard as it should be.

At 4, the cpu does not throw that many pitches down the middle. I feel you're rewarded more for good at bats than at 5 or higher.

I don't see alot of passed balls with consistency at 4 or 5 either.

No one's slider combo is better than anyone elses. It's what you are comfortable with.

I've come to the conclusion that drawing walks and slider adjustements just might be a waste of time. It's about your individual hitting vision and discipline. Of course sliders may help you there.

[baseball66]

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The cpu will paint the corners IF you constantly swing at crappy pitches. If you can lay off a few they will start coming over the plate.

[abcabc]

Re: Looking for some advice on Pitcher Consistency slider..

Last night I played a game with cpu control @ 4 and consistency at 5. I had 9 walks, I repeat, 9 walks and 9 strikeouts. The cpu even walked the bases loaded with no outs before the manager pulled the plug. Needless to say the cpu reliever came in and shut me down for no runs!(lol)

The point is walks are determined more by the # of pitches you chase and at what points in the count you swing. I honestly believe there are bonuses and penalties based on what pitches you swing at and which ones you layoff. People need to study the game closely.

Ever notice if you're ahead 2-0 and the cpu throws a fat changeup down the middle and you wince and say "darn, I could have killed that pitch!" Well the next pitch is usually a perfectly thrown strike on the black in the corner that you can't possibly hit. Now you're 2-2. You just wintnessed what happens when you fail to punish the cpu. Chances are you've blown any chance of walking.

Now I know people will say "I walk on 2-2 counts" and yes you can. It depends on if the cpu is facing Albert Pujols or the pitcher or...how you handle the next pitch. Do you swing at ball 3? or take a borderline pitch to go 3-2?

Also, ever notice borderline pitches usually are called strikes early in the count but when you're down 0-2, borderline pitches will be called balls to get to 2-2? If you swing at them and foul them off, you can forget about walking. That's why on 0-2, I will layoff anything that does not enter my wheelhouse center.

Look at the "chased" ball chart and you will see pitches you fouled off were classified as chased. That means you just swung at two pitches that could have been called ball 3 and 4! Ah....easier said then done. Yet those same pitches were called strikes the last at bat! So, consistency is very inconsistent which makes working the count very hard as it should be.

At 4, the cpu does not throw that many pitches down the middle. I feel you're rewarded more for good at bats than at 5 or higher.

I don't see alot of passed balls with consistency at 4 or 5 either.

No one's slider combo is better than anyone elses. It's what you are comfortable with.

I've come to the conclusion that drawing walks and slider adjustements just might be a waste of time. It's about your individual hitting vision and discipline. Of course sliders may help you there.

that's some deep stuff, i'll be keeping an eye out on my play behavior to check this out some more ,thanks.

[ParisB]

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that's some deep stuff, i'll be keeping an eye out on my play behavior to check this out some more ,thanks.

I'm 100% with him too. Lowering Control gives better results.

I can write a novel about it...