If your having trouble on allstar GIVE VETERAN a TRY

[dorismary]

Re: If your having trouble on allstar GIVE VETERAN a TRY

Ok as i said many times i have been using All-Star Default for well over 100 games, but i am game and will try many other versions.. i gave you re sliders that i downloaded from the vault today a go and i had a 10-8 win with the DBacks(me) and the Computer Padres.. there was a total of 29 hits and 18 runs.. i can't really judge to much off of just 1 game, i will say the game was fun especially in my big offensive 8th inning scoring 6.. i was wondering do you think maybe giving the user the same sliders for power, timing, contact, and solid hits as you have for the computer? just curious why the human user sliders for power, contact. solid hits, are higher then the computer and some you have maxed out at 10 for human .. anyway here is the box score, please excuse the lousy image, i used a crappy web cam for this shot


i'm still gonna play at least 30 games with these sliders to really see where i stand with them.. at first, having 0 for pitch speed was throwing me off a little in my timing, cause i'm used to default and when the fastballs were first coming in i was way out in front, and the breaking pitches had me even more out in front, that i liked, cause i had to adjust a little and sit back a little more.. i will say that was a very fun game

Yeah you got it , Its just one game and if you lose that one big inning by you well you know.
As far as Titus' sliders go the are unique and I never could have created them as they make no sense compare to the others here, but they are the BEST sliders in any sports game I EVER played .
If you do feel to much of a hitting advantage try lowering your contact by 1 or raise your pitch speed but remember this game goes in streaks .
They're your sliders , there is no right or wrong as long as you are enjoying them
hope this helps

[Phoenixmgs]

Re: If your having trouble on allstar GIVE VETERAN a TRY

This has never been proven. In fact, the originator of this theory had the Steal Frequency maxed when testing, which served to offset the lowering Ability slider.

In fact, read the description of Steal Frequency:

Adjust the frequency of steals by a baserunner, as well as their ability to steal repeatedly with only a small success rate reduction. Shift to the right to increase the frequency of steals and reduce the penalty for repeated steals.

Having this raised not only makes the CPU steal more, but after (both CPU and HUM) players X steals once, allows players Y and Z to steal easier. (whereas with this lower their is actually a penalty the more you steal.)

Having the steal frequency slider at 10 really doesn't matter much. You'll notice quite a difference on the initial steals with the steal ability slider at 0 and at 10. Plus, I did a few quick tests to confirm by playing the Ms with Ichiro and Figgins, and I would restart the game after I let them get on instead of going through the whole lineup again to get to them again. So, the penalty for repeated steals didn't come into play.

The following has worked great for me:

Pitch Speed: 4
Fielder Arm Strength: 4
Baserunner Speed: 5
Baserunner Steal Ability: 5
Baserunner Steal Frequency: 5

Then, edit the 2 catchers on your team and lower their arm strength attribute by about 15 points.

If you use a different pitch speed, arm strength, or baserunner speed, you are going to have to tweak other things to offset. For example, if you have pitch speed at 0, raise steal ability by a notch (to make the stealers a touch slower).

[dorismary]

Re: If your having trouble on allstar GIVE VETERAN a TRY

Having the steal frequency slider at 10 really doesn't matter much. You'll notice quite a difference on the initial steals with the steal ability slider at 0 and at 10. Plus, I did a few quick tests to confirm by playing the Ms with Ichiro and Figgins, and I would restart the game after I let them get on instead of going through the whole lineup again to get to them again. So, the penalty for repeated steals didn't come into play.

The following has worked great for me:

Pitch Speed: 4
Fielder Arm Strength: 4
Baserunner Speed: 5
Baserunner Steal Ability: 5
Baserunner Steal Frequency: 5

Then, edit the 2 catchers on your team and lower their arm strength attribute by about 15 points.

If you use a different pitch speed, arm strength, or baserunner speed, you are going to have to tweak other things to offset. For example, if you have pitch speed at 0, lower your catcher's arm strength by 10 instead of 15 or move up steal ability by a notch (to make the stealer a touch slower).

IYO can this be fixed without adjusting catchers arms ?
So your saying put Baserunner steal abilty lower for more successful steals ?
I have pitch speed 0, F arm str 4 , BR speed 5 and BR freq at 10 .

[Phoenixmgs]

Re: If your having trouble on allstar GIVE VETERAN a TRY

IYO can this be fixed without adjusting catchers arms ?
So your saying put Baserunner steal abilty lower for more successful steals ?
I have pitch speed 0, F arm str 4 , BR speed 5 and BR freq at 10 .

You can't fix the stealing issue w/o adjusting your catchers' arm strength (only 2 players total) because you and the CPU steal at different speeds (the CPU is slower for some reason). So, no slider set will make steals right because if you set stealing realistic for yourself, the CPU can't steal; you set stealing realistic for the CPU, and you're stealing with ease. Basically, adjust user stealing so that stealing is fair for you when you don't extend your lead whatsoever. Then, lower your catchers' arm strength by 15 so that the CPU can steal. Since your pitch speed is 0, try out steal ability at 6 since I have pitch speed at 4, which does make a difference.

[dorismary]

Re: If your having trouble on allstar GIVE VETERAN a TRY

You can't fix the stealing issue w/o adjusting your catchers' arm strength (only 2 players total) because you and the CPU steal at different speeds (the CPU is slower for some reason). So, no slider set will make steals right because if you set stealing realistic for yourself, the CPU can't steal; you set stealing realistic for the CPU, and you're stealing with ease. Basically, adjust user stealing so that stealing is fair for you when you don't extend your lead whatsoever. Then, lower your catchers' arm strength by 15 so that the CPU can steal. Since your pitch speed is 0, try out steal ability at 6 since I have pitch speed at 4, which does make a difference.

Understood kinda like cpu OF has a speed advantage .
Yeah its funny my originals were 6 for ability and 5 for frequency .
So does frequency matter I have it a ten but it was originally 5 thanks again Phoenix good stuff as always .
Or might add +1 to arm strength and baserunner speed to compensate.
I still cant understand why this game doesnt have global sliders , I suggest it for 2 years now as it would solve alot of tiny issues .

[Phoenixmgs]

Re: If your having trouble on allstar GIVE VETERAN a TRY

Understood kinda like cpu OF has a speed advantage .
Yeah its funny my originals were 6 for ability and 5 for frequency .
So does frequency matter I have it a ten but it was originally 5 thanks again Phoenix good stuff as always .
Or might add +1 to arm strength and baserunner speed to compensate.
I still cant understand why this game doesnt have global sliders , I suggest it for 2 years now as it would solve alot of tiny issues .

Frequency really doesn't matter that much, I find default to be fine.

[dorismary]

Re: If your having trouble on allstar GIVE VETERAN a TRY

Hi Phoenix ,
I have a question my friend actually a issue .
When im playing NL teams and have a pitchers duel maybe up 1-0 ect the cpu yanks the cpu pitcher in the 5th or 6th inning for a PH , the pitcher normally only has with 55 -75 pitches , I also have manger hook at 6 .
Any fix for this ?

PS raising fld arm strength and baserunner speed to 5/6 seems to have fix my Base stealing issue for now.

[Phoenixmgs]

Re: If your having trouble on allstar GIVE VETERAN a TRY

Hi Phoenix ,
I have a question my friend actually a issue .
When im playing NL teams and have a pitchers duel maybe up 1-0 ect the cpu yanks the cpu pitcher in the 5th or 6th inning for a PH , the pitcher normally only has with 55 -75 pitches , I also have manger hook at 6 .
Any fix for this ?

PS raising fld arm strength and baserunner speed to 5/6 seems to have fix my Base stealing issue for now.

That's weird, I have manager hook one higher than you, and I haven't seen that.

[dorismary]

Re: If your having trouble on allstar GIVE VETERAN a TRY

Hi Guys ,
Im posting this as Im really enjoying MLB 10 The Show on Veteran Level this year as its can be made to play much harder and smarter this year than 09 as the sliders have better range.

I noticed alot of guys getting frustrated or becoming tweak o holics playing on allstar level so maybe this will help if your on the fence between the two levels .

Now I know many gamers may have a ego thing about playing on Veteran level but I found by making Veteran sliders tougher I can actually make it play harder and more realistic and enjoyable than on Allstar and with out the tougher CPU AI higher levels have.

I actually lose more on Veteran with these unique sliders than I do on allstar as I can win 70 to 80% on allstar , I can even win on legend at times but the games just arent as enjoyable .

Most of us play games to relax and get away and really dont wanna throw their controller late in games plus as a slider based gamer and I feel Veteran level sliders are more stable, workable if I move a click I really notice it and overall I get a greater variance in scores , alot more random with dead on statistics.

So if you are tweaked out or frustrated and just wanna play games again give Veteran a try .

Im basically using Titus' Veteran Sliders with my own special tweaks which I can PM depending on individual needs but I do play with assited fielder and with both errors at 8/8 and Hu contact down 1 and cpu contact up 1.
PS When you see these sliders settings youll shake your head like me but they really are well thought out and now Im tweak free 2 months Thanks Titus'.
I hope this helps TC Anth

Edit : 6-7-10 I promised a few when I had time I would post the exact way how I play On Veteran they are also on Sportsconnect so just sort under date 6-7-10.
Basically Myself and Titus have the same beliefs and success on Veteran level but we play a little bit different as I never use guess pitch and I play assisted fielding , we also having different settings on STEALING in this game .
We both agree by making Veteran level play tougher instead of trying to dumb down allstar we can avoid the way to smart Cpu AI that frustrates many on allstar and higher levels .
Well heres how I play so if you try them for best results play them exactly as is for a bunch of games as they go full circle !
PROFILE
Hitting Dif Veteran
Pitching Dif Veteran
Pitching Interface Classic
Guess Pitch Off
Baserunning Controls Default
Auto Baserunning Auto
Batting View Offset
Pitching View Offset
Fielding View Off Broadcast
Fielding View Def Broadcast
HR Celebration Cam ON
Swing Influence OFF
Pitch Con ON
Fielding Assist ASSIST
Auto Throwing OFF
Pitch Callout FULL
Pitcher Ball Marker FADE
Throwing Meter OFF
Plate Cov Indicator OFF
Swing/Pitch Indicator ON
Runner Windows ON
Strike Zone ON
Hot Zones ON
Tag Up Indicator ON
Catch Region Ind ON
Catch Position Ind ON
Rob HR Ind ON
Warm up Pitchers ON

MY SLIDERS
USER
Contact 3 , 2 if you want more off a challenge
Power 10
Timing 10
Fouls 0
Solid Hits 9
Starter Stamina 6
Reliever Stamina 6
Pitcher Control 1
Pitcher Consistency 7

CPU
Contact 3 , 4 if you want more CPU attack
Power 5
Timing 5
Fouls 0
Solid Hits 0
Starter Stamina 6
Reliever Stamina 0
Pitcher Control 5
Pitcher Consistency 7
Strike Frequency 0
Manager Hook 6
Pickoffs 0

GLOBAL

I really hope next year SCEA can add seperate HU/CPU GLOBAL sliders as it would than be easier to blend and balance gameplay as I find the CPU OF too fast and Phoenix pointed out the CPU baserunning is also slower than Human .

Pitch Speed 0 , a great fix to make batting harder other than lowering hu contact ect.
Fielding Errors 8 , I like to see one or two every game a bit high on average but its so well done at 8 but feel free to lower to 7.
Throwing Errors 8 seems perfect as I see them every other game on average .
Field Run Speed 0
Fielder Reaction 6
Fielder Arm Strength 5 *
Baserunner Speed 6*
Baserunner Steal Ability 6*
Baserunner Steal Frequency 10*
Wind 3
Injury Frequency USER CHOICE

* Basestealing : The tweaks I made to those sliders * give me the PERFECT blend and I no longer even have to take leadoffs to keep it even for both me and the Cpu plus raising baserunning speed and Fielder arm strength +1 really tightens up the game .
As always let me know what you think after a bunch of games and they are on SPORTSCONNECT UNDER
DM VETERAN NO CPU BOOST
sort by dated 6-7

For those who wanted these posted and didnt have Sportsconnect here you are .

[mizzouj]

Re: If your having trouble on allstar GIVE VETERAN a TRY

Ugh, I may be switching to this. I like playing on harder levels in games, as I tend to improve in sports games as I play and grown into the harder level. But on All Star in this game, it almost feels scripted to a degree and I'm really not getting better. I am the Royals, which should result in a not great record, but I'm 5-20 in my season and frustrated to the point where I'm ready to shelve the game.

It seems like the CPU is either hitting every corner and I can't make solid contact, or everything I swing at is a hard hit ball and I can score some runs in bunches. Sadly, the first seems to be happening more often and in 2 of every 3 games or so I'm scoring 0-1 run.

It's similar when I'm pitching. It seems like either the CPU is hitting every pitch regardless of location on a rope and scoring 10+ runs, or I can just groove fastballs down the middle all day and shut them down. Close games in the late innings have also become more and more of a frustration. Every player develops a perfect eye for the strike zone, fouls pitches off repeatedly, and drives every mistake into the alley or over the fence. Next thing you know a 1-0 lead turns into an 6-1 deficit. And once the CPU starts rolling, there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop it. No matter what pitcher you bring in or what pitch you throw.

Most of my games are either 5-1 wins, 8-1 losses, or some 14-10 shootout. And it's at the point where basically by the end of the 3rd inning I can tell you which it's going to be. This is playing many games with different slider combinations on All Star. Basically what I'm looking for is an 'enjoyable challenge'. It seems like on All Star, you better put 100% into every pitch whether you're on the mound or at the plate. And even then if you do the right thing, like swing perfect at a meatball or locate a pitch well, the CPU still gets over more often than not. I'm not saying guys don't miss meatballs or hit tough pitches for extra base hits. It just seems like the game is less about what I'm doing to determine the outcome, and more about the script. From what I'm reading, going to back to Veteran could improve this. I just don't want the game to be cheesy in my favor like I feel it is to the CPU right now.

[Braves Fan]

Re: If your having trouble on allstar GIVE VETERAN a TRY

I just don't want the game to be cheesy in my favor like I feel it is to the CPU right now.

That was my fear as well and I have to tell you, you have nothing to worry about. I wish I would have made the move to veteran a long time ago. The game is still challenging on veteran. I think people just assume it's too easy without ever trying it out. I know I made that mistake, I just assumed you had to play on All Star but that really is not the case at all.

[mizzouj]

Re: If your having trouble on allstar GIVE VETERAN a TRY

That was my fear as well and I have to tell you, you have nothing to worry about. I wish I would have made the move to veteran a long time ago. The game is still challenging on veteran. I think people just assume it's too easy without ever trying it out. I know I made that mistake, I just assumed you had to play on All Star but that really is not the case at all.

Great to hear! I'm excited to go home and give it a shot. I will probably keep my sliders from All Star, as I do like the hit variety and things seem to average out OK. It's the 'all or nothing' for each individual game and the juiced up CPU offense in late innings that was driving me nuts. I don't think the issues I was seeing were slider related, as I was seeing the same things regardless of set I tried. I think this game plays well out of the box, so any slider that I adjust never goes up/down by more than 1 click. We'll see how it goes.

One other question for you Braves Fan: Do you use the L stick for hitting? I think this could be one of the keys for hitting more consistently at higher levels. I prefer not to, because I end up tying myself up and swinging at more bad pitches with it. I'd rather focus on the pitch type and try to get timing down. On All Star, the pitchers tend to paint corners a lot more and hitting the ball solid when the it isn't inside the yellow circle seems to be very difficult at that level. So if I get 2 strikes, I end up hitting a lot of pop ups and dribblers because I'm forced to swing at close pitches that are many times just outside of the hitting circle. I'm hoping on Veteran there is a bit more leeway to hit the ball solid when it's not right down the middle.

[Braves Fan]

Re: If your having trouble on allstar GIVE VETERAN a TRY

If I were you I'd use Titus sliders exactly like they are posted. That's what I did and it's worked wonders for me. I posted my scores for the last 10 games in his thread, check them out if you want. I'm getting all kinds of games with his sliders on veteran. Like you I was awful out of the gate, I started 1-10 and have been trying to play catchup ever since. I just lost 2 of 3 to the Twins after getting swept by LA and sweeping Arizona so that will show you how challenging veteran can be.

I don't use the L stick, it's simply not needed imo. I never use the power button either, I just try to time it right and hit the x button. I do use 1/4 Guess Pitch though and I hit from pitchers cam.

Give it a try, let us know how you do.

[mizzouj]

Re: If your having trouble on allstar GIVE VETERAN a TRY

If I were you I'd use Titus sliders exactly like they are posted. That's what I did and it's worked wonders for me. I posted my scores for the last 10 games in his thread, check them out if you want. I'm getting all kinds of games with his sliders on veteran. Like you I was awful out of the gate, I started 1-10 and have been trying to play catchup ever since. I just lost 2 of 3 to the Twins after getting swept by LA and sweeping Arizona so that will show you how challenging veteran can be.

I don't use the L stick, it's simply not needed imo. I never use the power button either, I just try to time it right and hit the x button. I do use 1/4 Guess Pitch though and I hit from pitchers cam.

Give it a try, let us know how you do.

Well, I tried a game with the sliders I was using and it felt pretty amazing on Veteran. I was actually able to drive hittable pitches, but still was penalized for swinging at bad ones. I actually felt some sense of control with Greinke on the mound, as opposed to before giving up 400 foot opposite field homers to the #9 hitter on well located pitches. When I made mistakes, guys like Miguel Cabrera made me pay. But I had a lot of their hitters pretty off balance, as Greinke does to most teams.

Basically my sliders were default with contact -1 for both, pitcher consistency +1 for both, and CPU strikes -1. Other than a few other minor changes, default. In other words, my cpu hitting is jacked up from these and my hitting is toned down. I guess it's not fair to draw conclusions without trying them out, but until I see issues with my sliders I'll probably stick with them.

[Rod_Carew29]

Re: If you're having trouble on allstar GIVE VETERAN a TRY

yeah, after probably 20-25 exhibition games or so, I HAD to get off of ALL Star for hitting....I was striking out easily about 12-15 times a game on average..

for about the last 25 exhibition games or so, with of course some tweaks, I'm on VETERAN for HITTING, and ALL-STAR for PITCHING (classic)