2023 Franchise Fidelity to Reality Roster Project (Official Thread)

[Bonk_McNeeley]

Re: 2023 Franchise Fidelity to Reality Roster Project (Official Thread)

Fangraphs reports were brought in around December-January iirc.

Most transaction are updated for teams up to Opening day. No offense, but we’re not really sweating the inclusion of a 32 Year old AAAA catcher. He was just overlooked. There are 2,790 players on the roster so there will be hiccups.

You can always change the ratings to fit your view of the player. The prospects were rated and positioned based on 3 scouting reports.

I understand you may think we slighted the Pirates, but I promise you we did our best with every team based on reports.

Here’s a good tip I posted over on our Discord:


Here’s a quick reminder that sometimes I think people may forget:

We make these rosters for everyone. All of the editors and creators for these rosters are fans of teams IRL. Viator created this system for a better franchise experience and to remove personal bias.

Guys are rated based on their statistical performance, not hunches or feelings. Prospects are rated using 3 different scouting reports sourced from the great Prospects Live and MLB Pipeline, and Fangraphs.

When the roster drops, and you guys get your hands on it, you may disagree with something. That is perfectly fine. Just manually edit that player how you see fit.

Personally I think a handful of guys are overrated or underrated based on personal bias, so as soon as the roster drops, I’ll download it and edit those guys for my own franchise.

Or if I want a better CAP for a certain player, I’ll make it myself or get one from the Vault.

Just a reminder because sometimes I think people get a little too caught up in “why isn’t x player rated this or that?”

You guys can always bump a player as you see fit! Just remember this roster was made to play as close to IRL baseball as we could make it, so any deviations will change that for that player.

Fangraphs posted their Pirates Prospects list in February.

I couldn't agree more, Plawecki as a talent is irrelevant, however, if as a whole, you guys weren't sweating players like this being on the wrong teams, and were using older scouting reports for prospects, then it severely hinders the sales pitch of this roster providing realism to hardcore sim players.

Viator or Quag (Or whatever his name will be next year after he inevitably gets banned again this year) actually created this project because of personal bias. I still remember the days of him high jacking every roster thread because Nico Hoerner didn't have above 90 contact rating after 33 games in MLB, or Anthony Rizzo not being the best lefty vs. lefty hitter.

I hope the irony isn't lost on everyone...

[JWDixon120]

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Fangraphs posted their Pirates Prospects list in February.

I couldn't agree more, Plawecki as a talent is irrelevant, however, if as a whole, you guys weren't sweating players like this being on the wrong teams, and were using older scouting reports for prospects, then it severely hinders the sales pitch of this roster providing realism to hardcore sim players.

Viator or Quag (Or whatever his name will be next year after he inevitably gets banned again this year) actually created this project because of personal bias. I still remember the days of him high jacking every roster thread because Nico Hoerner didn't have above 90 contact rating after 33 games in MLB, or Anthony Rizzo not being the best lefty vs. lefty hitter.

I hope the irony isn't lost on everyone...

It appears you came into this thread with a clear agenda from your first ever response about opening day lineups being incorrect.

This roster probably isn’t for you based on the things you’re looking for I’d assume.

Luckily there is a vault of hundreds of different rosters for you to try out!

Please do not discredit our work when we’ve out an immense amount of hours into it. If you don’t agree with something, you can create your own roster instead of attacking ours.

[Bonk_McNeeley]

Re: 2023 Franchise Fidelity to Reality Roster Project (Official Thread)

It appears you came into this thread with a clear agenda from your first ever response about opening day lineups being incorrect.

This roster probably isn’t for you based on the things you’re looking for I’d assume.

Luckily there is a vault of hundreds of different rosters for you to try out!

Please do not discredit our work when we’ve out an immense amount of hours into it. If you don’t agree with something, you can create your own roster instead of attacking ours.

You brought up Viator, I replied. It's not that serious...

I'll walk away now, my guy! The last thing I want is to get into a "you can't bring up logical points because I spent my personal time creating this roster" argument.

[jcblayze]

Re: 2023 Franchise Fidelity to Reality Roster Project (Official Thread)

I had all of the opening day rosters set a couple of weeks ago. The CPU likes to revert/change lineups and move guys up and down out of the blue sometimes. Especially if you still have work to do. So if something like that happened with your favorite team, I apologize. It immediately happens when you start a franchise anyway.

[JWDixon120]

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You brought up Viator, I replied. It's not that serious...

I'll walk away now, my guy! The last thing I want is to get into a "you can't bring up logical points because I spent my personal time creating this roster" argument.

Have a good day my man and hope you enjoy this years game!

[jcblayze]

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Addressing people who might be on the roster even though they were released before opening day. That's on me. I know I forgot a couple guys (Ortega from the Yankees). Like everything else, it's a big process. You can't just release a guy. You have to replace him with another guy in the free agent pool. So you have to go through the free agent pool. You can't simply edit free agents. You have to add them to a team. And some of the "fake players" in the pool can't be edited. So it's trial and error. Then I had to find another guy not on a team's top 30 prospect list to add in.

We did the NL Central first so we probably already had the Pirates fully done when that transaction happened. I should have done a last check but that's just so many players to go through, a couple did slip through the tracks.

If that takes away enjoyment from this roster for someone, then that's on me. Just know this thing took hundreds of hours of work for all of us, not even exaggerating that time. The base roster created by a bunch of experts is in absolutely miserable shape. Cubs for example, Marquez is still 20 years old and Davis is still 175 pounds, neither of those things can be edited.

[Lisac]

Re: 2023 Franchise Fidelity to Reality Roster Project (Official Thread)

Addressing people who might be on the roster even though they were released before opening day. That's on me. I know I forgot a couple guys (Ortega from the Yankees). Like everything else, it's a big process. You can't just release a guy. You have to replace him with another guy in the free agent pool. So you have to go through the free agent pool. You can't simply edit free agents. You have to add them to a team. And some of the "fake players" in the pool can't be edited. So it's trial and error. Then I had to find another guy not on a team's top 30 prospect list to add in.

We did the NL Central first so we probably already had the Pirates fully done when that transaction happened. I should have done a last check but that's just so many players to go through, a couple did slip through the tracks.

If that takes away enjoyment from this roster for someone, then that's on me. Just know this thing took hundreds of hours of work for all of us, not even exaggerating that time. The base roster created by a bunch of experts is in absolutely miserable shape. Cubs for example, Marquez is still 20 years old and Davis is still 175 pounds, neither of those things can be edited.

Blayze your guys roster is great-
Like I said in my other post
If you dont like it, dont use it
Or create a roster yourself
I just released a Roster and have gotten a ton of Negative Feedback and I spent a few days on it.
Its frustating that people who dont touch em will complain not knowing how many hrs are spent on them.

Great job to you and rest of the guys who created this Roster! 🍻

[Quag]

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Good advice, thank you! I will work on getting that updated and yes I am happy to see so many stats right in line with real life.

Really happy you did this tbh. I love numbers (if y’all can’t tell) and you did a great job!

Keep up the good work big homie

[Quag]

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Fangraphs posted their Pirates Prospects list in February.

I couldn't agree more, Plawecki as a talent is irrelevant, however, if as a whole, you guys weren't sweating players like this being on the wrong teams, and were using older scouting reports for prospects, then it severely hinders the sales pitch of this roster providing realism to hardcore sim players.

Viator or Quag (Or whatever his name will be next year after he inevitably gets banned again this year) actually created this project because of personal bias. I still remember the days of him high jacking every roster thread because Nico Hoerner didn't have above 90 contact rating after 33 games in MLB, or Anthony Rizzo not being the best lefty vs. lefty hitter.

I hope the irony isn't lost on everyone...

Scouting reports used to generate prospects were actually from Prospects Live most up to date information. Projected roles were from Fangraphs and those don’t change over the course of a couple months.


A couple of things to note here:

A) though I’m a Cubs fan, I have no personal bias against the Pirates. I actually low key feel bad for their fans because they have so many liekable players and an elite stadium. I wish them well

B) the conversation we had about Rizzo was probably 3 years ago before I even embarked on developing this project. I remember our conversation. I legit was surprised to see some of the numbers after I dove in

C) you’re coming in hot and I’m not quite sure why. You may feel you team is underrated and I get that. There are more than a few Cubs guys I would have like to easily jack up their overalls and potentials. But I didn’t. As far as every other team, I let my formulas generate all values for all players. I only jumped in to make slight corrections when I found egregious mistakes

Combining this with the fact that multiple people gathered data to generate the spreadsheets means the personal bias was about as minimum as possible

Thanks for your feedback. I do ask that you stop spamming the thread though unless you want to be more constructive.

Have a great day and baseball season!

[Quag]

Re: 2023 Franchise Fidelity to Reality Roster Project (Official Thread)

Blayze your guys roster is great-
Like I said in my other post
If you dont like it, dont use it
Or create a roster yourself
I just released a Roster and have gotten a ton of Negative Feedback and I spent a few days on it.
Its frustating that people who dont touch em will complain not knowing how many hrs are spent on them.

Great job to you and rest of the guys who created this Roster! 🍻

Negative feedback is inevitable. I don’t mind it if it’s constructive. But if it’s not, so be it.

Thanks for the kind words big dog! Many championships to you and your franchises bud

[bryanm1982]

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You guys did a great job with the roster.

And I probably know why you guys did this but being a Cubs fan I noticed that Keagan Thompson has a stamina rating at 20 but he was fighting for a starting rotation spot in spring training. How did you come up with his stamina at 20? It looks like you designed the roster to have the RP have lower stamina, which makes sense. So just wondered if his stamina rating was that cause he was in the bullpen?

I get why you don't want bullpens full of high stamina guys.

[Quag]

Re: 2023 Franchise Fidelity to Reality Roster Project (Official Thread)

You guys did a great job with the roster.

And I probably know why you guys did this but being a Cubs fan I noticed that Keagan Thompson has a stamina rating at 20 but he was fighting for a starting rotation spot in spring training. How did you come up with his stamina at 20? It looks like you designed the roster to have the RP have lower stamina, which makes sense. So just wondered if his stamina rating was that cause he was in the bullpen?

I get why you don't want bullpens full of high stamina guys.

Yea calculations for SPs and RPs are done differently. Keegan was a tough one to designate. Ultimately I decided to keep him in an RP designation because that’s where I think he stays long term. That being said, he’ll likely always have some sort of a swingman role, so a 20 stamina may be slightly low for him

20 can work to start a couple games and get through 2-3 innings. But if you want to manually up him to like the 35-40 range it would be reasonable as well

[CgyFlames]

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I have built hockey rosters in the past and have learned a truth:

1. If you rate players based on personal opinion or “the eye test”, people are going to complain about their favorite team’s guys.

2. If you rate players as objectively as possible using metrics or outside sources…people are still going to complain about their favorite team’s guys.


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[Molotov Mozgov]

Re: 2023 Franchise Fidelity to Reality Roster Project (Official Thread)

20 can work to start a couple games and get through 2-3 innings. But if you want to manually up him to like the 35-40 range it would be reasonable as well

Thanks for clarifying this, I've always wondered if it was 1 to 1 pitches-stamina as SDS's base for stamina before quirks and confidence add in.

I'm also wondering how you guys approached fielding ratings for your roster. It seems to me that SDS lowballed a lot of guys who are solid fielders and they have fielding ratings in the 40's and 50's. I'm inclined to manually fix some guys, but I'm wondering what your guys' take on fielding ratings is this year, especially now that heavy shift is gone? How did you decide to change/adjust these for your roster?

[IamAdderlyn]

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I really like the roster, excellent job guys.