Armor & Sword & Marino’s MLB The Show 18 Classic/Directional Simulation Sliders

[Koosa1027]

Re: Armor & Sword & Marino’s MLB The Show 18 Classic/Directional Simulation Sliders

I'll put another thing out there on classic pitching....at least how I look at things....

Pitchers in real life "add and subtract" from their pitches by varying their arm speed when throwing. But the arm velocity also impacts the spin rate, break and the angle of the pitch (not just the actual velocity of the pitch).

With classic pitching, the button press duration essentially acts as the means for varying your arm velocity. You hold for the max duration (~1 sec) your arm velocity will be maxed for the pitch while simply tapping the button will be the slowest (allowable) arm velocity...the in-between values blending things. This is the key...even with a 2 or 3 pitch pitcher, I can vary the "look" the batter gets just by varying my "arm velocity" by means of varying the button press duration. If I know I have a guy who will flail at breaking balls; I may throw him two or three of the same pitch type in a row....varying the speed to get different breaks. I just then vary the aimed location a bit to account for the break...so a "soft-tap slider" might be aimed more in the middle of the plate to get it to the outside corner vs a "max slider" which I will aim more on the edge. From there, I just mix and match the pitch types, locations, and so on to try to set-up the batter.

This is my perspective exactly...biggest key for me using classic pitching is everything you said plus the ratings play a larger role and Im all about letting the ratings do the work for the most part.

~Koosa1027~

[Smallville102001]

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Took me about 13 games but i think i finally found my hitting in this years game. I have been playing on DD and have only been at rookie and even dropped down to lower at times. 2 games ago I changed my camera to a costume retro view and know i am above rookie and scored a lot of runs the last 2 games. Like some one else said it really is important to find the right camera for you when it comes to batting. I have been following this thread to see what people are seeing and doing has i think Armor always does a good job with sliders.

[Smallville102001]

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I am still trying to decide what way to pitch. I don't like classic because you don't really have control on the out come. In the past i liked pulse because it was harder to throw strikes with and also being able to watch the pitchers movement with out having to focus on a meter or any thing. How ever last few games i played with pulse and this year it seems like it is easier to throw strikes then years past and also seeing more meatballs instead of just balls being thrown. I think the next few games i am going to try meter and i think i am going to go with either that or with analog this year. Over all pitching is easier this year then in the past for sure. In the past i found all star to easy but HOF to hard on default. This year with playing on DD i have gotten up to HOF+ several times and most of the time have been on HOF and don't just fine. I may need to even lock my difficulty at HOF+ once i get my hitting more on point.

[tc020791]

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Last game of HOU series then to New York for 4 with the Yankees


Using exact OP except for these changes

USER Control/Consistency -- 4/4

CPU Control -- 4

USER/CPU Starter Stamina -- 6/6

All Errors -- 5 (Except Outfield Throwing at 4)

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[Gagnon39]

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If anyone isn't quite getting enough swing an misses by the CPU, I urge you to try to go back to the following:

Human pitch control and consistency both at 4.

CPU contact, power and solid hits all at 5.

I've played 4 games with this (I know that's a small sample size) but I've played this game long enough to know it wasn't just coincidence. Also, this is further evidence of how good the game is on default Hall of Fame.


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[Gagnon39]

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I am still trying to decide what way to pitch. I don't like classic because you don't really have control on the out come. In the past i liked pulse because it was harder to throw strikes with and also being able to watch the pitchers movement with out having to focus on a meter or any thing. How ever last few games i played with pulse and this year it seems like it is easier to throw strikes then years past and also seeing more meatballs instead of just balls being thrown. I think the next few games i am going to try meter and i think i am going to go with either that or with analog this year. Over all pitching is easier this year then in the past for sure. In the past i found all star to easy but HOF to hard on default. This year with playing on DD i have gotten up to HOF+ several times and most of the time have been on HOF and don't just fine. I may need to even lock my difficulty at HOF+ once i get my hitting more on point.

If you want realistic stats, I suggest that you give Classic a serious consideration. I didn't start using Classic until MLB 16. And I've played every video game since RBI Baseball on the original NES. I used to love meter on MVP Baseball and then analog on The Show. The one issue with every baseball game I ever played though, was that, while it was fun to have "control," over my pitching, eventually I perfected the mechanism to deliver pitches. With Classic pitching, it's just not possible because like Armor has said, it's kind of a dice roll.

It's undoubtedly difficult to give up that control, I know. But I can't imagine pitching any other way now since I actually walk batters now. And lack of walks has a trickle-down effect on runs, ERA, etc.

There's still a ton of user input on Classic too. Location, obviously, and velocity. And if you play without the ball marker it's even more challenging. Probably my favorite thing too, is that you can actually watch the pitcher's delivery. With analog, or meter, it's ugly looking on the screen and you're basically just dialed in on a mere 120 times a game.


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[bravesfan1984]

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Love the sliders and discussion regarding classic pitching! I just fired up my franchise and after the first game on the radio show, it continually mentioned all these players breaking the all time hit record. Anyone else experience this?

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[bravesfan1984]

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I'll put another thing out there on classic pitching....at least how I look at things....

Pitchers in real life "add and subtract" from their pitches by varying their arm speed when throwing. But the arm velocity also impacts the spin rate, break and the angle of the pitch (not just the actual velocity of the pitch).

With classic pitching, the button press duration essentially acts as the means for varying your arm velocity. You hold for the max duration (~1 sec) your arm velocity will be maxed for the pitch while simply tapping the button will be the slowest (allowable) arm velocity...the in-between values blending things. This is the key...even with a 2 or 3 pitch pitcher, I can vary the "look" the batter gets just by varying my "arm velocity" by means of varying the button press duration. If I know I have a guy who will flail at breaking balls; I may throw him two or three of the same pitch type in a row....varying the speed to get different breaks. I just then vary the aimed location a bit to account for the break...so a "soft-tap slider" might be aimed more in the middle of the plate to get it to the outside corner vs a "max slider" which I will aim more on the edge. From there, I just mix and match the pitch types, locations, and so on to try to set-up the batter.

Thanks for this post Josh!

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[Smallville102001]

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If you want realistic stats, I suggest that you give Classic a serious consideration. I didn't start using Classic until MLB 16. And I've played every video game since RBI Baseball on the original NES. I used to love meter on MVP Baseball and then analog on The Show. The one issue with every baseball game I ever played though, was that, while it was fun to have "control," over my pitching, eventually I perfected the mechanism to deliver pitches. With Classic pitching, it's just not possible because like Armor has said, it's kind of a dice roll.

It's undoubtedly difficult to give up that control, I know. But I can't imagine pitching any other way now since I actually walk batters now. And lack of walks has a trickle-down effect on runs, ERA, etc.

There's still a ton of user input on Classic too. Location, obviously, and velocity. And if you play without the ball marker it's even more challenging. Probably my favorite thing too, is that you can actually watch the pitcher's delivery. With analog, or meter, it's ugly looking on the screen and you're basically just dialed in on a mere 120 times a game.


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Just cant do it. I don't know how any one can use classic its to simple and i like to have some control on things. I understand that walks will affect ERA but i have never really had much of a problem with lack of walks. With the right slider settings i do walk guys. I am going to try meter has pulse is much easier then years before and i have heard people say that meter may be harder then analog this year but even on analog i do walk some guys and that was when i was on like all star+ even not HOF and not with sliders to make walking guys harder. With the right settings i do get realistic stats.

[Gagnon39]

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Just cant do it. I don't know how any one can use classic its to simple and i like to have some control on things. I understand that walks will affect ERA but i have never really had much of a problem with lack of walks. With the right slider settings i do walk guys. I am going to try meter has pulse is much easier then years before and i have heard people say that meter may be harder then analog this year but even on analog i do walk some guys and that was when i was on like all star+ even not HOF and not with sliders to make walking guys harder. With the right settings i do get realistic stats.

To each their own. It's your game and your franchise. If you're getting realistic stats, and most importantly, enjoying the game, do your thing.


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[bspring3]

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If anyone isn't quite getting enough swing an misses by the CPU, I urge you to try to go back to the following:

Human pitch control and consistency both at 4.

CPU contact, power and solid hits all at 5.

I've played 4 games with this (I know that's a small sample size) but I've played this game long enough to know it wasn't just coincidence. Also, this is further evidence of how good the game is on default Hall of Fame.


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I have the same settings on HOF that you list here based off a suggestion from Armor and it has worked perfectly for me.


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[DJ]

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Armor and co., what number of games is a healthy sample size when deciding on when to move up in difficulty? I'm 9-4 in my Mets franchise on All-Star difficulty. Team batting average is close to .300, we're No. 2 in runs scored, No. 1 in HR's and team ERA is around 3.00.

[JoshC1977]

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Armor and co., what number of games is a healthy sample size when deciding on when to move up in difficulty? I'm 9-4 in my Mets franchise on All-Star difficulty. Team batting average is close to .300, we're No. 2 in runs scored, No. 1 in HR's and team ERA is around 3.00.

10 games in their season in real life, they are 4th in runs, 6th in HRs and have a team ERA of 2.61. The only outlier from what you've quoted is team BA....a .300 team average is pretty high.

I think you have to do it by "feel" right now....how are you building your stats....are you getting a lot of dribblers through for base hits (which would even out over the long-haul) or are you scorching balls all the time? The answer would dictate how I would proceed if it were me.

[cable guy]

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Just cant do it. I don't know how any one can use classic its to simple and i like to have some control on things. I understand that walks will affect ERA but i have never really had much of a problem with lack of walks. With the right slider settings i do walk guys. I am going to try meter has pulse is much easier then years before and i have heard people say that meter may be harder then analog this year but even on analog i do walk some guys and that was when i was on like all star+ even not HOF and not with sliders to make walking guys harder. With the right settings i do get realistic stats.

It's basically the opinion of me, and others included, it's the closest thing to Sim. It's basically in the hands of the pitchers ratings. For me, it truly is. But it's not going to be for everybody, or of same opinion, I'm sure

[DJ]

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10 games in their season in real life, they are 4th in runs, 6th in HRs and have a team ERA of 2.61. The only outlier from what you've quoted is team BA....a .300 team average is pretty high.

I think you have to do it by "feel" right now....how are you building your stats....are you getting a lot of dribblers through for base hits (which would even out over the long-haul) or are you scorching balls all the time? The answer would dictate how I would proceed if it were me.

I would say that a majority of base hits have been hard hit.

And yes, it's been fun watching the real-life Mets get off to a fast start. They have to stay healthy, though, and any Mets fan knows that's a tall order.