S & B's Directional/Classic MLB 22 Sliders

[bryanm1982]

Re: S & B's Directional/Classic MLB 22 Sliders

I’m going to give these a spin and am curious about the foul ball slider. Is it a must to keep it at 0? I’ve been and A&S guy historically, and I believe he usually has it at 3 or 4. Does this help with strikeouts?

You can try raising it to 3. It will not affect strikeouts. At 0, it gives the batted ball a better chance to stay fair. Even if they are outs. If you are early on a swing, at 0 the ball might be down the line for a hit. If you have it higher, the higher chance that ball is just pulled foul.

[bryanm1982]

Re: S & B's Directional/Classic MLB 22 Sliders

Well I played my series vs the Rays today, changing everything to the OP except anything human hitting. Sadly the results weren't what I was hoping. Swept the Rays, winning 7-2, 6-0, and 2-1. Pitching definitely felt easier. I can certainly say without a doubt pinpoint effects things, because even with control at 0 I was able to locate perfectly.

I guess with that I'm left with 2 options. I can either try these sliders on legend, or bite the bullet and switch to like meter or even classic.

That sucks that these didn’t work on pinpoint. I have never tried pinpoint so I couldn’t even begin testing it to see where it needs to be. You could try consistency at 0 but don’t know if that would do anything.

Did you try out pitching sliders on HOF?

[DarthRambo]

Re: S & B's Directional/Classic MLB 22 Sliders

I’m going to give these a spin and am curious about the foul ball slider. Is it a must to keep it at 0? I’ve been and A&S guy historically, and I believe he usually has it at 3 or 4. Does this help with strikeouts?

You will get good strikeout numbers with these if you stick with Allstar pitching like we have. Especially with high strikeout pitchers. Let us know how it goes!

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[Head Coach]

Re: S & B's Directional/Classic MLB 22 Sliders

Sliders still working great. Still playing my franchise. I have to get back to posting more of my results.

[BlueJays09]

Re: S & B's Directional/Classic MLB 22 Sliders

That sucks that these didn’t work on pinpoint. I have never tried pinpoint so I couldn’t even begin testing it to see where it needs to be. You could try consistency at 0 but don’t know if that would do anything.

Did you try out pitching sliders on HOF?

I’ve been using these pitching sliders on HOF and was getting destroyed by bad teams. Couldn’t locate many pitches, getting hit around as the ones that weren’t off the plate, were in the middle of the plate. Had too many wild pitches leading to runs. I had to increase consistency to 4 and control to 3. Will give it a try there and see how I go!

Hitting, running and fielding sliders are perfect for me though!


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[bryanm1982]

Re: S & B's Directional/Classic MLB 22 Sliders

I’ve been using these pitching sliders on HOF and was getting destroyed by bad teams. Couldn’t locate many pitches, getting hit around as the ones that weren’t off the plate, were in the middle of the plate. Had too many wild pitches leading to runs. I had to increase consistency to 4 and control to 3. Will give it a try there and see how I go!

Hitting, running and fielding sliders are perfect for me though!

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Let us know how the raised control and consistency does for you. I’m actually testing human consistency at 3 cause I was throwing too many hangers.

[Clonefan84]

Re: S & B's Directional/Classic MLB 22 Sliders

That sucks that these didn’t work on pinpoint. I have never tried pinpoint so I couldn’t even begin testing it to see where it needs to be. You could try consistency at 0 but don’t know if that would do anything.

Did you try out pitching sliders on HOF?

I'm actually going to give them a try on legend. I don't normally like to make another change just 3 games in but I could just tell in this case it's necessary. By putting it on legend I'll be doing something similar to what I was planning to do if I was just making my own set from default, which was raising solid hits and contact and lowering foul ball frequency. This one may be a bit more extreme, but I also feel if it's too hard then I can always back the sliders up a bit, or even try HOF. And if I get a couple games where I get unrealistically torched...well my pitchers need that to balance their stats lol.

So legend it is, my next 3 against the Nats which I'm about to play now. I'll post here and see how it goes after.

[DarthRambo]

Re: S & B's Directional/Classic MLB 22 Sliders

Sliders still working great. Still playing my franchise. I have to get back to posting more of my results.

How's your Rays season going? I am 35-26 with your Mets with 1.5 game lead on Atlanta right now.

SP is good other than Bassitt who I've just inserted Taijuan Walker in his spot. Alonso has been out with only 11 games played but thinking about 15 more games and he will finally return. Without him I am 28th in homeruns.

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[Clonefan84]

Re: S & B's Directional/Classic MLB 22 Sliders

Well the nationals series yielded some interesting results. 1st game I won 10-7, it was a hit fest, which is something I haven't seen in quite some time, but I could clearly tell strikeouts were gonna be an issue. They made contact with everything on two strikes, ended up with just one k. Most runs were scored off the starter, mitch Keller, who came into the game cold and had a worse start last time on default, so tough to judge, but given that most of those runs were scored on bloop hits, I kinda felt the 7 runs were random luck for the cpu, so I was skeptical of this offense. I decided to go with the same set for game 2.

This game I won 7-3, and my worst fears were realized. Brubaker started, and I was coasting with him, pitching a shutout through 7. He ran into trouble in the 8th, and I bright the bullpen in who gave up even more hits, leading to 3 runs, but it was nothing special that I hadn't seen play out in past games on straight default legend. Also only recorded 2 ks, meaning I knew at this point pinpoint is too op. These sliders are not designed for ks at the legend level, and pinpoint is allowing me to not walk anyone, so every at bat is just a ball in play, and I finally decided that I'm gonna bite the bullet and move away from it. Don't really like doing that so quickly but it's one of those things where I've been playing the show since 09 and I already see that the issues won't go away with these settings.

Game 3 I switched to meter and put pitching back down to all-star as I knew my control was probably going to lack in this game. Sadly for the first 2/3rds it did not. Jose quintana on the mound he was pitching lights out, and by the 5th I was already thinking ok...I may actually have to do classic and even come up with own sliders. Then I started seeing a lot less control in the 6th. Quintana got into a jam in both the 6th and 7th, and gave up a run and two walks. He finished with 7 ip, 2 bb, 3 k, 1 er. Also worth noting, he entered this game on fire, which usually plays a factor I'm what I like to call favorable rng lol. At this time it's 3-1 pirates. Heath hembree in for the 8th walked 2 more batters, but also struck 3 out and gave up nothing. A solo shot in the top 9th and bednar comes in for a save leading 4-1, and hrs actually my good pitcher. And even he was missing a bit. Sometimes way too much even. He didn't walk anyone, but would leave a couple over the plate and got into a jam, with a runner at 3rd and only up 4-2, he leftover over the plate again to maikel Franco and it was a flyout to the warning track. Pirates win 4-2

So after all that, bottom line is for the first time I feel like I saw progress in making my pitchers suck lol. Given it was the nationals and I came in with a hot pitcher, I can definitely not rule out that this would've been a realistic outing in game 3. I play the brewers in a 4 game set, and I will leave it the same for that game and hopefully the series if nothing too drastic happens and I don't dominate pitching again. All I know is those last couple innings was the first time I had my confidence in my pitchers shook since earlyApril, so I think we're heading in the right direction

[bryanm1982]

Re: S & B's Directional/Classic MLB 22 Sliders

Well the nationals series yielded some interesting results. 1st game I won 10-7, it was a hit fest, which is something I haven't seen in quite some time, but I could clearly tell strikeouts were gonna be an issue. They made contact with everything on two strikes, ended up with just one k. Most runs were scored off the starter, mitch Keller, who came into the game cold and had a worse start last time on default, so tough to judge, but given that most of those runs were scored on bloop hits, I kinda felt the 7 runs were random luck for the cpu, so I was skeptical of this offense. I decided to go with the same set for game 2.

This game I won 7-3, and my worst fears were realized. Brubaker started, and I was coasting with him, pitching a shutout through 7. He ran into trouble in the 8th, and I bright the bullpen in who gave up even more hits, leading to 3 runs, but it was nothing special that I hadn't seen play out in past games on straight default legend. Also only recorded 2 ks, meaning I knew at this point pinpoint is too op. These sliders are not designed for ks at the legend level, and pinpoint is allowing me to not walk anyone, so every at bat is just a ball in play, and I finally decided that I'm gonna bite the bullet and move away from it. Don't really like doing that so quickly but it's one of those things where I've been playing the show since 09 and I already see that the issues won't go away with these settings.

Game 3 I switched to meter and put pitching back down to all-star as I knew my control was probably going to lack in this game. Sadly for the first 2/3rds it did not. Jose quintana on the mound he was pitching lights out, and by the 5th I was already thinking ok...I may actually have to do classic and even come up with own sliders. Then I started seeing a lot less control in the 6th. Quintana got into a jam in both the 6th and 7th, and gave up a run and two walks. He finished with 7 ip, 2 bb, 3 k, 1 er. Also worth noting, he entered this game on fire, which usually plays a factor I'm what I like to call favorable rng lol. At this time it's 3-1 pirates. Heath hembree in for the 8th walked 2 more batters, but also struck 3 out and gave up nothing. A solo shot in the top 9th and bednar comes in for a save leading 4-1, and hrs actually my good pitcher. And even he was missing a bit. Sometimes way too much even. He didn't walk anyone, but would leave a couple over the plate and got into a jam, with a runner at 3rd and only up 4-2, he leftover over the plate again to maikel Franco and it was a flyout to the warning track. Pirates win 4-2

So after all that, bottom line is for the first time I feel like I saw progress in making my pitchers suck lol. Given it was the nationals and I came in with a hot pitcher, I can definitely not rule out that this would've been a realistic outing in game 3. I play the brewers in a 4 game set, and I will leave it the same for that game and hopefully the series if nothing too drastic happens and I don't dominate pitching again. All I know is those last couple innings was the first time I had my confidence in my pitchers shook since earlyApril, so I think we're heading in the right direction

I’m glad you might have found something with meter. And it is good that you are issuing walks. The Brewers should be a good test for you as their offense is better. Love seeing your progress so let us know how that series goes.

Were you using timing at 10 with legend? On legend, you would have to lower it to below 2-3 and then you risk them being weak contact.

[Clonefan84]

Re: S & B's Directional/Classic MLB 22 Sliders

I’m glad you might have found something with meter. And it is good that you are issuing walks. The Brewers should be a good test for you as their offense is better. Love seeing your progress so let us know how that series goes.

Were you using timing at 10 with legend? On legend, you would have to lower it to below 2-3 and then you risk them being weak contact.

I did have timing at 10, and thought that could be the case. If things end up not working well and I go back to pin point I'll keep that in mind. However I'm really hoping meter works because I was ok pitching on meter.

I will Def keep on posting both results and changes I make. As of now I'm 52-29 with pirates, and that's actually tied best record in the league lol. We need a reality check bad...never thought I'd want to lose. 4 games vs brewers and two vs Yankees coming up, some will definitely see just how well this works out soon.

[DarthRambo]

Re: S & B's Directional/Classic/Quick Counts MLB 22 Sliders

Yeah like Bryan said, on HOF and especially legend if you want strikeouts you'll have to lower cpu timing to at least 2, maybe even 1.

May I ask why not use classic? You actually have more control than you may think. And you control things in different ways that you can't using meter or pinpoint. All while player ratings playing a factor. If I were to givea number I feel classic pitching is like 65% user input and 35% player attributes/hot cold streaks/confidence (pitching).

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[Clonefan84]

Re: S & B's Directional/Classic/Quick Counts MLB 22 Sliders

Yeah like Bryan said, on HOF and especially legend if you want strikeouts you'll have to lower cpu timing to at least 2, maybe even 1.

May I ask why not use classic? You actually have more control than you may think. And you control things in different ways that you can't using meter or pinpoint. All while player ratings playing a factor. If I were to givea number I feel classic pitching is like 65% user input and 35% player attributes/hot cold streaks/confidence (pitching).

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What exactly gives you more control on classic vs. meter? I have never actually used classic, but I was under the impression that classic is just choosing what pitch you want and where you are aiming it, press the button and the pitcher does the rest.

Edit: "gives you more control" is a poor way to word that, I should way in what different ways can I control the pitcher using classic vs meter

[bryanm1982]

Re: S & B's Directional/Classic/Quick Counts MLB 22 Sliders

What exactly gives you more control on classic vs. meter? I have never actually used classic, but I was under the impression that classic is just choosing what pitch you want and where you are aiming it, press the button and the pitcher does the rest.

Edit: "gives you more control" is a poor way to word that, I should way in what different ways can I control the pitcher using classic vs meter

On Classic, you don’t simply tap the button to pitch. You hold down until a certain point to get a perfect pitch. It is almost like an imaginary meter. I have vibration on so I try to release right before it vibrates.

[DarthRambo]

Re: S & B's Directional/Classic/Quick Counts MLB 22 Sliders

There is a thread somewhere that gives details on how classic pitching works. To go off what Bryan said though...every pitcher has a different "perfect" release point. If you have the swing analysis turned on...box where it shows swing timing and type of contact. That will also show the release point of that pitch (if not put into play). It may say late, early, perfect, etc. Basically same as swing timing shows.

Holding button down fully is max effort. Will give more velocity with less control usually, and use more energy. I typically do this with my CP or when I am ahead 1-2 wanting a strikeout on a fastball pitch.

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