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  • WaitTilNextYear
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    • Mar 2013
    • 16830

    #226
    Re: OOTP 19 Franchise Progress

    Originally posted by KSUowls
    Do you think that gives you a more realistic trade system, or do you do it for the challenge? I'm definitely looking for the former, and I'm definitely concerned that bumping it up will take it from slightly unrealistic to no trades unless they are completely unbalanced.
    Probably a bit of both. I haven't really tested it out on a bunch of different settings and for a long enough period of time to tell you what you want to know. I do feel that finagling is too easy for my tastes on normal/hard.
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    • canes21
      Hall Of Fame
      • Sep 2008
      • 22923

      #227
      Re: OOTP 19 Franchise Progress

      My trading is Very Hard/ Heavily Favor Prospects

      The trades I made were

      POS, Player, Age, Curr/Potential (20-80 scale)

      SP Ian Anderson 20, 20/55
      C William Contreras, 20, 20/20

      for

      SP Carlos Rodon, 25, 50/60

      I don't think this deal was unrealistically difficult for me. In fact, I feel like that's a pretty realistic deal and I may have gotten Rodon at a bargain. He definitely came cheaper than I expected when I saw them shopping him around.

      The other deal I made was

      SP Max Fried, 24, 25/50
      SP Wes Parsons, 25, 25/40
      SP Kolby Allard, 20, 25/50
      SP Brandon McCarthy, 34, 40/40
      3B Ryan Schimpf, 30, 35/35

      for

      SP Garrett Richards, 29, 55/55
      *The Angels also retained 40% of his contract and took all of McCarthy's contract from me.

      Richards came at a price, but not one I'd call unrealistic either. I did have to give up Allard who I didn't want to give up, but in return that made them willing to take on all of McCarthy's contract and retain 40% of Richards' contract. That's $10,000,000 for McCarthy and $2,920,000 for a total of $12,920,000 while I only am paying $4,380,000 for Richards now. I saved $8,540,000 with this deal and got a much better pitcher that is young enough to become a key piece of this quick rebuild.

      In both deals I didn't even give up a player projected to be even as good as the player I got in return. Yea, it sucked to give up Allard and Fried in the same deal, but Fried is already 25 and I don't see him reaching his potential honestly. I think he'll wind up as a 45 and a spot starter. Allard is one I am going to keep an eye on. He may become a good pitcher, I have more confidence in that than I do with Fried, but the scouting report is not high on him being more than a 4 in the rotation.

      The last deal I made was a low-key one, but I'll post it also.

      RF Alex Jackson, 22, 20/30

      for

      C Zack Collins, 23, 30/80

      If Collins turns into even half of what he's projected to be that's the steal of the decade... unless my scouting report on Jackson was wrong and he turns out to be a stud. Collins already has a 75/80 eye, his contact is only 35/60, but his HR Power is 60/65. His arm is a 55 while his defense is slightly above average at 45. So right now he's just about good enough to be put up in the league for spot duty if I really wanted to. Some teams have been interested in Suzuki, so acquiring Collins makes those deals more interesting now.

      That's 3 trades through June 14th, 2018. More than I planned for, but the Rodon trade was brought on from Newcomb tearing his Meniscus and the White Sox shopping him around the same day. That deal was made immediately. The Richards deal was literally one that had so many counter offers it took nearly a full month in-game to come the final deal. It was the only one I had planned to make. The Collins deal came about because I inquired about him and the White Sox only asked for Jackson in return and I couldn't accept that deal quick enough.

      I will note that at the time of all 3 of these deals I used the 40/30/20/10 AI Evaluation weights. I've since altered it to a 35/35/20/10 weighting, but have not tried to even get into talks with anyone since that change. In my eyes all 3 deals don't seem unrealistic at all. Really, I feel like I won both deals with the White Sox and the Richards deal doesn't seem too bad to me either despite giving up 3 young arms just because Richards is sill young enough to be a solid piece for years to come and they improved my financials by $8+ million with taking on McCarthy's contract and retaining near half of Richards'.

      I also want to note that my scouting accuracy is very low, but was at low at the time of all 3 deals.
      Last edited by canes21; 04-09-2018, 03:26 PM.
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      • KBLover
        Hall Of Fame
        • Aug 2009
        • 12172

        #228
        Re: OOTP 19 Franchise Progress

        Those look like the kinds of trades I could do on Average.

        Which makes me wonder three things:

        1) What does this setting actually do (i.e. what makes it "harder")

        2) Why favor prospects instead of neutral (which I presume is the AI assessing the team and deciding what the team needs/wants)

        3) Does scout accuracy effect every team or just the player's team?

        Edit: 4) Since I use the default AI evaluation settings (65/20/10/5), would that alter the experience of the various trading difficulties?
        "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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        • KBLover
          Hall Of Fame
          • Aug 2009
          • 12172

          #229
          Re: OOTP 19 Franchise Progress

          Upton Traded, Abreu Acquired
          Upton Moved for "Undisclosed Reasons"


          In a season where the Angels are looking to contend and just coming off a key series win against the Astros to get within a 1/2 game of first place, the Angels announced a surprise move with the other L.A. team, the Dodgers.

          Angels trade:
          LF Justin Upton
          RF Jared Walsh

          Dodgers trade:
          P Rich Hill
          (Dodgers retain 25% of the contract)


          "I think this caught everyone by surprise. Publicly, you are just getting the usual stuff, but I think something went down behind closed doors, " a local reporter commented.

          "Whatever, " Justin Upton commented, "They act like I want to do this bad. Whatever, I mean, I guess I'm not drinking enough Kool-Aid or whatever."

          A rift with manager Scoiscia has been thrown around by some. The Angels clubhouse has been one fun place according to most accounts from reporters. You can also see them having fun and being lose in the dugout most of the time.

          Perhaps Upton ran into a culture clash. That might explain his poor performance and part of his comment on the situation.

          Only official word from the Angels is that the Angels wanted some "financial flexibility in the forward years", which means that maybe the Angels are planning something.

          Either way, Rich Hill, though 38, might be able to help the staff out. He will probably be better than Colon at the least.

          Upton has struggled badly thus far, still languishing under the Mendoza line. There was speculation that this clears the way for Ohtani to play the field.

          Instead, the Angels traded for Jose Abreu and will play him in left field to see how he takes to it.

          Angels trade:
          1B Kevin Maitan
          LF Tim Arakawa

          White Sox trade:
          1B Jose Abreu
          (White Sox retain 30% of contract)
          P Bruce Rondon
          SP John Parke
          CF Luis Alexander Basabe (what a name)


          The White Sox made this trade right after the prior one.

          Abreu has been doing well this season as has Rondon, who figures to get a heavy workload in the bullpen if he can handle it as he becomes arguably the Angels' best reliever.

          Abreu has posted a .287/.342/.491 batting line thus far. Rondon has a 2.93 ERA in 58 innings of work with a 12.2 K/9 rate.


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          Last edited by KBLover; 04-10-2018, 01:00 AM.
          "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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          • KBLover
            Hall Of Fame
            • Aug 2009
            • 12172

            #230
            Re: OOTP 19 Franchise Progress

            Angels Make Postseason After September Rally
            Angels Go 17-10 in September to Take Wild Card


            August slapped the Angels in the face. It made the trades look bad, it made Ohtani look bad, it made Trout look horrid (he batted just .211)...

            "We were starting to get down and it was snowballing. We could feel it slip away, " Pujols commented.

            Indeed, it was all the Angels' weaknesses coming crashing down.

            And the fact Ohtani was barely average on the mound the whole second half is a different set of concerns. He did lead the AL in strikeouts, but the ERA ballooned to 4.51 on the season.

            It all lead to a 10-17 record in August. A truly pathetic showing that had everyone wondering if the first half was just smoke and mirrors and all the energy had just run out.

            But it was Bartolo Colon providing the unexpected spark. A pair of gutsy relief outings where he gave up just 2 hits in 8 innings combined led to wins for the club and started getting morale back up.

            In fact, what was a "just to get by" waiver claim turned into an established spot in the bullpen. Colon provided 70 innings of relief for the Angels, posting a very solid 3.47 ERA in the process and going 4-0 with 2 saves.

            The performance was so good that team offered a 3-year contract extension worth $6 million in total to the 45-year-old pitcher, with the final year being a vesting option.

            "We might not can count on him having more in the tank, but it's a small risk for the possibility that we might, " GM Yarrow commented.

            The acquisition of Rondon also proved useful. Abreu wasn't bad himself, with the oddity on his line was three triples and just four home runs.

            "I still can't believe the got those triples. I think the fielders just went easy on him, " Cozart joked.

            The Angels did get quite a surprise in late August as Ian Kinsler just suddenly announced his retirement. There was no press release from Kinsler or anyone in his camp. The Angels said little about it on their end, mostly just confirming that he did indeed retire.

            "I think they are as in the dark as we are. Maybe Kinsler will break silence about it soon. We can only guess, " one reporter commented.


            Angels vs Red Sox in AL Wild Card Game

            AL Wild Card Game
            Angels 1, Red Sox 0 (11)
            W: Bedrosian, L: Pomeranz, S: Skaggs
            PotG: Ohtani
            Abreu hits HR in 11th to give Angels the lead.

            "What an excellent performance. He stood up to one of the game's premier aces and pitched him to a 0-0 draw, " Dan Pleasac spoke about Ohtani's performance, "His first postseason outing is a 4-hitter through seven with nine K's."

            Indeed, with Chris Sale dealing zeroes for the Red Sox, it was a good thing that Ohtani didn't feel any big game nerves. The two power arms left sad bats in their wake as they battled for the right to move on to the ALDS.

            This battle would extend into the bullpens, thanks to a tremendous play by Trout.

            In the bottom of the 9th, Cam Bedrosian ran into trouble. The Red Sox got Bradley, Jr. to second with two outs. Pedroia was walked to set up the force, but Vazquez scorched a line drive deep to center field. But Trout retreat to near the wall and made a reaching catch to keep the game tied at 0-0.

            It would stay that way until the 11th when Jose Abreu wrapped a flyball around Pesky's Pole to gave the Angels a 1-0 lead.

            The Red Sox didn't go down without a fight. Bogaerts doubled to start the inning and he was moved up to third with one out. That was when Skaggs induced a short flyball to right field. Calhoun, brought in for defense, charged hard to make the catch. He fired home to hold Bogaerts at third with two outs. Skaggs then retired Vazquez on a fly to Trout to end the game and send the Angels forward.

            "It felt so good to come through like that. That was the kind of moment I wanted to have since they came and got me, showing they believed I can get the Angels to this moment and come through once we got here. I'm glad I could do my part, put one in the seats in a key moment, " Abreu commented.

            The Angels will have to deal with the Yankees in the ALCS. The Yankees posted the best record in baseball with 101 wins. The Yankees offense gets a lot of press because of Judge-Stanton, and they were 4th in runs scored...but the pitching, best in the AL both in the rotation and the bullpen, made the difference.

            "That pitching is insane. And to think they have guys on the DL, key guys, and they still lapped the field on the mound. We're going to have to be beyond our best to win the ALCS, " Scoiscia spoke.

            Indeed, the Yankees were without Chapman, Betances, Sabathia, and Kahnle for large portions of the season (and Gary Sanchez for that matter), evidently it didn't matter.
            "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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            • KBLover
              Hall Of Fame
              • Aug 2009
              • 12172

              #231
              Re: OOTP 19 Franchise Progress

              Wow, Andrelton Simmons had a +36 ZR!

              Like what the heck?

              No wonder he had 7 WAR. That's by far the highest ZR I've ever seen on an infielder. Wow.
              "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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              • KSUowls
                All Star
                • Jul 2009
                • 5891

                #232
                Re: OOTP 19 Franchise Progress

                Originally posted by canes21
                My trading is Very Hard/ Heavily Favor Prospects

                The trades I made were

                Spoiler
                Those trades seem pretty realistic to me.

                Ian Anderson and Contreras for Rodon looks pretty fair. I could see the White Sox maybe asking for a little more, but getting a 20 y/o with good potential as a centerpiece in return isn't too bad. I'm guessing it did help that they were actively shopping him.

                The Richards deal was pretty pricey imo. LAA did take on all of McCarthy's salary so you'd expect to have to give up a little more, but that still seems steep. It isn't like you were trading some mediocre piece with a big salary, the Angels got a quality SP in return and all they really had to give up in return was some cash. They also picked 3 quality prospects. Not every deal will be a win though so I wouldn't say that's bad AI logic when factoring in the others.

                Originally posted by KBLover
                Edit: 4) Since I use the default AI evaluation settings (65/20/10/5), would that alter the experience of the various trading difficulties?
                My limited understanding is that yes it does affect the types of trades that are made. I've seen a lot of people on the OOTP forums, in multiple versions, suggest something like 40/30/20/10 (off the top of my head, but something like that) which, from what I've read, makes the AI favor stats a little more over rating potential. I'm not an expert though, and I definitely haven't tested this.

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                • KBLover
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 12172

                  #233
                  Re: OOTP 19 Franchise Progress

                  Originally posted by KSUowls
                  My limited understanding is that yes it does affect the types of trades that are made. I've seen a lot of people on the OOTP forums, in multiple versions, suggest something like 40/30/20/10 (off the top of my head, but something like that) which, from what I've read, makes the AI favor stats a little more over rating potential. I'm not an expert though, and I definitely haven't tested this.

                  Yeah, that's a common split I remember even from older OOTP days (like OOTP6, the last time I was probably really into OOTP outside of using it for online leagues).

                  If anything, I would weight the current year the least due to sample size and how stats start correlating to "true ability" (in this game, ratings and the scout's opinion on them) and the prior two years would have more influence on that due to sample, unless the player was hurt those years. In fact, I think I'll try a new split, something like 50/10/20/20, and see if it impacts anything this upcoming season.
                  "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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                  • KSUowls
                    All Star
                    • Jul 2009
                    • 5891

                    #234
                    Re: OOTP 19 Franchise Progress

                    Originally posted by KBLover
                    Yeah, that's a common split I remember even from older OOTP days (like OOTP6, the last time I was probably really into OOTP outside of using it for online leagues).

                    If anything, I would weight the current year the least due to sample size and how stats start correlating to "true ability" (in this game, ratings and the scout's opinion on them) and the prior two years would have more influence on that due to sample, unless the player was hurt those years. In fact, I think I'll try a new split, something like 50/10/20/20, and see if it impacts anything this upcoming season.
                    I'd be interested to see how that works. I wish you could set like a dynamic AI evaluation based on the calendar. I agree that using the current year could be skewed from sample size early on, but by the time the trade deadline comes around in late July I'd definitely trust what a guy is doing this year more so than in the past. I guess you can always manually change it, but I like automation lol.

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                    • WaitTilNextYear
                      Go Cubs Go
                      • Mar 2013
                      • 16830

                      #235
                      Re: OOTP 19 Franchise Progress

                      All this convo about settings probably goes better in the OFFICIAL OOTP thread, but since we're discussing it here (and there's only like 5 of us posting anyway, lol)...my AI eval settings are 60/20/15/5. I put a heavier weight on ratings because I don't want to bamboozle the cpu out of talented, young players that are having a down statistical year/month etc. I feel like this puts a good weight on the talent under the hood with the statistical performance thrown in as a kicker. I have scouting on "low" as well. I like how that works with the 1-100 ratings scale. I don't use the 20-80 scale because of too much repetition with everyone being a 45/50/55 etc.
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                      • KBLover
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 12172

                        #236
                        Re: OOTP 19 Franchise Progress

                        Originally posted by KSUowls
                        I'd be interested to see how that works. I wish you could set like a dynamic AI evaluation based on the calendar. I agree that using the current year could be skewed from sample size early on, but by the time the trade deadline comes around in late July I'd definitely trust what a guy is doing this year more so than in the past. I guess you can always manually change it, but I like automation lol.
                        I couldn't trust one half for pitchers at all...and especially relievers. Ohtani gave me an example of that. Lights out first half, worst than Bartolo Colon in the second half. Which of those can be definitively said as Ohtani's ability and what the heck with Colon?

                        Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                        All this convo about settings probably goes better in the OFFICIAL OOTP thread, but since we're discussing it here (and there's only like 5 of us posting anyway, lol)...my AI eval settings are 60/20/15/5. I put a heavier weight on ratings because I don't want to bamboozle the cpu out of talented, young players that are having a down statistical year/month etc. I feel like this puts a good weight on the talent under the hood with the statistical performance thrown in as a kicker. I have scouting on "low" as well. I like how that works with the 1-100 ratings scale. I don't use the20-80 scale because of too much repetition with everyone being a 45/50/55 etc.
                        LOL or a separate thread about ratings/AI eval (which might be nice for others to read all our thoughts in one place). In fact, I'll start one lol

                        The bold is why I'll always stay ratings heavy and the second part is why I kinda like 20-80. I'm thinking there's either not a lot of difference between 45-55 (since they are so common like you said) or there's 45's and there's 45's that are closer to 50 (or knocked down due to other factors).

                        That said, I used to love 1-100 but could see why I'd need more uncertainty "built-in" with a more specific scaling.
                        Last edited by KBLover; 04-10-2018, 11:57 AM.
                        "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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                        • bravesfan1984
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                          • Mar 2008
                          • 2808

                          #237
                          Re: OOTP 19 Franchise Progress

                          Awesome stuff wtny! Will probably follow your lead with those settings. I just started up one and am in search of a manager for my Braves. I'm having a tough time deciding.

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                          Last edited by bravesfan1984; 04-10-2018, 12:51 PM.
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                          • KBLover
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 12172

                            #238
                            Re: OOTP 19 Franchise Progress

                            Angels Sweep in Stunning Upset
                            Offense Stars Against Top AL Staff


                            Jose Abreu must be fired up because he was the key man in the Angels pulling of an amazing sweep of the Yankees.

                            He was named ALDS MVP with a .545 batting average in the series, including three home runs. He leads the Angels in postseason home runs with four.

                            "I'm just glad to contribute. That's a tough staff and they had a great season. We were lucky to catch them in a down time in the postseason, " Abreu commented.

                            Game three was the closest with an 8-7 score. Ohtani started this one and was knocked out early after four innings. The offense had his back, though, putting seven on Tanaka. The Angels bullpen was able to hang on as the Yankees clawed back to a 1-run deficit.

                            The Angels will face the Indians, who pulled off a sweep of the Astros.






                            L.A vs L.A As Angels, Dodgers Advance to World Series


                            The Angels had a tougher time with the Indians, but found a way, perhaps thanks to one swing of the bat.

                            With the series tied 2-2 and the Angels down 3-1 in the 9th, Jabari Blash hit a walk-off three-run home run to put the Angels on top 3-2.

                            "The place was going crazy. The guys poured out of the dugout. I'm not sure if I even touched the plate, " Blash laughed.

                            Garrett Richards was knocked out after 3 innings, the bullpen provided 6 innings of shutout relief. That allowed to stay in the game against Kluber, who was lights out.

                            The bullpen featured heavily in the clinching victory, allowing one run in five innings of work.

                            Some have questioned Scoiscia's use of his pitching staff. However, it seems to be working as he's guided the team back to the World Series.
                            "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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                            • bravesfan1984
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 2808

                              #239
                              Re: OOTP 19 Franchise Progress

                              Originally posted by KBLover
                              I couldn't trust one half for pitchers at all...and especially relievers. Ohtani gave me an example of that. Lights out first half, worst than Bartolo Colon in the second half. Which of those can be definitively said as Ohtani's ability and what the heck with Colon?



                              LOL or a separate thread about ratings/AI eval (which might be nice for others to read all our thoughts in one place). In fact, I'll start one lol

                              The bold is why I'll always stay ratings heavy and the second part is why I kinda like 20-80. I'm thinking there's either not a lot of difference between 45-55 (since they are so common like you said) or there's 45's and there's 45's that are closer to 50 (or knocked down due to other factors).

                              That said, I used to love 1-100 but could see why I'd need more uncertainty "built-in" with a more specific scaling.
                              As a newbie here, I'd love to see a thread started for that!

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                              • KBLover
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 12172

                                #240
                                Re: OOTP 19 Franchise Progress

                                Angels and Dodgers Do Battle to Decide Champion


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                                Game 7:
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