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  • MuffinMcFluffin
    Banned
    • Feb 2003
    • 4215

    #31
    Re: What High Heat alternative do you recommend for this year?

    First of all, when I said clowdown, I mean slowdown.

    My bad on that.

    Secondly, the whole disappearing ball thing is what the problem was with all of the ASB's (including last year's). Like in replays for homeruns, there's a delay in the batter hitting the ball and such, and I'm not sure if you noticed or not, but if you hold onto X/A (depending on the system you have) right after the ball is picthed, you will still probably hit it. It is a very sticky thing and something that has to do with some slowdown effect that wasn't in ASB 2002. That's what's so great about World Series Baseball 2K3... when you press the swing button, they swing then.

    Also, transition is very important, because like I said before, you use the cursor and place it anywhere, and if say the ball location was under the cursor, then I sometimes think that the game makes a random place for the ball to go (at least it seemed like this in 2003). You know... also with Zone hitting, you could've aimed in kind of the wrong direction that the ball was actually pitched, and if you see a slowdown for the pitch, then you know that you hit it. Not saying that it's a fair ball, just saying that you know that you hit it. That's what was great about High Heat, whereas you need to practically get the right spot, otherwise it's a foul-tip, foul-back, or you missed it.

    I think that MVP's hitting was WAY off... their directional hitting didn't seem to make a difference last year (besides the groundball/flyball business). However, it is said to have been improved this year.

    I hope that ESPN Major League Baseball will have a Zone hitting this year, because their timed hitting was just plain... well... dumb. It's like my representation of ASB's Easy Batting, and it's really no fun. However, they have true transitions, because it doesn't cut to a new camera angle, it zooms out from the batting angle.



    I know that that was a complete ramble... and I'm not even sure if it made sense. I just improvised as I spoke there... I hope it made sense. Anyways, yeah, that's my view on it.

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    • cub
      MVP
      • Mar 2003
      • 1126

      #32
      Re: What High Heat alternative do you recommend for this year?

      I think we agree that all the games have things they do well and things they do not-so-well.

      My contention is that ASB (at least last year's) is the most authentic, rich, deep, and detailed portrayal of major league baseball of the games on the market. It's the strongest at replicating the MLB experience (long-term) in my opinion. Yes, it has things it could do a lot better, but they all do.

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      • cub
        MVP
        • Mar 2003
        • 1126

        #33
        Re: What High Heat alternative do you recommend for this year?

        I think we agree that all the games have things they do well and things they do not-so-well.

        My contention is that ASB (at least last year's) is the most authentic, rich, deep, and detailed portrayal of major league baseball of the games on the market. It's the strongest at replicating the MLB experience (long-term) in my opinion. Yes, it has things it could do a lot better, but they all do.

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        • cub
          MVP
          • Mar 2003
          • 1126

          #34
          Re: What High Heat alternative do you recommend for this year?

          I think we agree that all the games have things they do well and things they do not-so-well.

          My contention is that ASB (at least last year's) is the most authentic, rich, deep, and detailed portrayal of major league baseball of the games on the market. It's the strongest at replicating the MLB experience (long-term) in my opinion. Yes, it has things it could do a lot better, but they all do.

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          • Redbird
            Go Hogs
            • Oct 2002
            • 838

            #35
            Re: What High Heat alternative do you recommend for this year?

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            cub said:
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            joeboo said:
            I tried ASB the past 2 seasons and while it looks good and the stadiums are great, the gameplay was very subpar IMO. The zone batting last year wasn't close to HH's. This year Acclaim said they'll make it the default so it should be better.

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            How will making Zone hitting the default make it better? It's the same thing. It's just now the default so morons won't think the "3D cursor" is the only hitting interface.

            And how was the gameplay "subpar" and the zone hitting "not close to HH's"? It was the exact same hitting system.

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            You obviously must not have played much HH
            For a great Christian website check out http://www.gbntv.org/

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            • Redbird
              Go Hogs
              • Oct 2002
              • 838

              #36
              Re: What High Heat alternative do you recommend for this year?

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              cub said:
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              joeboo said:
              I tried ASB the past 2 seasons and while it looks good and the stadiums are great, the gameplay was very subpar IMO. The zone batting last year wasn't close to HH's. This year Acclaim said they'll make it the default so it should be better.

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

              How will making Zone hitting the default make it better? It's the same thing. It's just now the default so morons won't think the "3D cursor" is the only hitting interface.

              And how was the gameplay "subpar" and the zone hitting "not close to HH's"? It was the exact same hitting system.

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

              You obviously must not have played much HH
              For a great Christian website check out http://www.gbntv.org/

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              • Redbird
                Go Hogs
                • Oct 2002
                • 838

                #37
                Re: What High Heat alternative do you recommend for this year?

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                cub said:
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                joeboo said:
                I tried ASB the past 2 seasons and while it looks good and the stadiums are great, the gameplay was very subpar IMO. The zone batting last year wasn't close to HH's. This year Acclaim said they'll make it the default so it should be better.

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                How will making Zone hitting the default make it better? It's the same thing. It's just now the default so morons won't think the "3D cursor" is the only hitting interface.

                And how was the gameplay "subpar" and the zone hitting "not close to HH's"? It was the exact same hitting system.

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                You obviously must not have played much HH
                For a great Christian website check out http://www.gbntv.org/

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                • cub
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 1126

                  #38
                  Re: What High Heat alternative do you recommend for this year?

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                  Redbird said:
                  You obviously must not have played much HH

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                  I owned it. Played a full season with the Cubs.

                  Also owned and played full seasons in World Series and All Star.

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                  • cub
                    MVP
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 1126

                    #39
                    Re: What High Heat alternative do you recommend for this year?

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                    Redbird said:
                    You obviously must not have played much HH

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                    I owned it. Played a full season with the Cubs.

                    Also owned and played full seasons in World Series and All Star.

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                    • cub
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 1126

                      #40
                      Re: What High Heat alternative do you recommend for this year?

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                      Redbird said:
                      You obviously must not have played much HH

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                      I owned it. Played a full season with the Cubs.

                      Also owned and played full seasons in World Series and All Star.

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                      • Redbird
                        Go Hogs
                        • Oct 2002
                        • 838

                        #41
                        Re: What High Heat alternative do you recommend for this year?

                        All in one year?

                        Or did you mostly sim?

                        The gameplay in both compared to HH falls short IMHO.

                        My game killer with last years HH was the menu system. My poor eyes couldnt read the information without straining and I am a dynasty freak so i had to lay HH to the side and "wait for next year"

                        Now I wonder also what game will I get.
                        For a great Christian website check out http://www.gbntv.org/

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                        • Redbird
                          Go Hogs
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 838

                          #42
                          Re: What High Heat alternative do you recommend for this year?

                          All in one year?

                          Or did you mostly sim?

                          The gameplay in both compared to HH falls short IMHO.

                          My game killer with last years HH was the menu system. My poor eyes couldnt read the information without straining and I am a dynasty freak so i had to lay HH to the side and "wait for next year"

                          Now I wonder also what game will I get.
                          For a great Christian website check out http://www.gbntv.org/

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                          • Redbird
                            Go Hogs
                            • Oct 2002
                            • 838

                            #43
                            Re: What High Heat alternative do you recommend for this year?

                            All in one year?

                            Or did you mostly sim?

                            The gameplay in both compared to HH falls short IMHO.

                            My game killer with last years HH was the menu system. My poor eyes couldnt read the information without straining and I am a dynasty freak so i had to lay HH to the side and "wait for next year"

                            Now I wonder also what game will I get.
                            For a great Christian website check out http://www.gbntv.org/

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                            • cub
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 1126

                              #44
                              Re: What High Heat alternative do you recommend for this year?

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                              Redbird said:
                              All in one year?

                              Or did you mostly sim?

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                              I played almost every game in ASB and HH. With WSB, I simmed a lot because I just couldn't stomach the cartoonish on-the-field look and generic players... but the franchise had some neat elements.

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                              Redbird said:
                              The gameplay in both compared to HH falls short IMHO.

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                              Everyone kept saying that beforehand, but when I played full seasons of both ASB04 and HH side by side, ASB was much closer to what happened in the actual season. Even slider tweaks didn't seem to put HH over it as far as realism (and I tried a LOT of slider settings). Plus ASB was so much more immersive in so many ways.

                              The rendition of players' individual mannerisms, details, realistic art style, and such was as lacking in World Series as they were in HH, and WSB didn't have the insane gameplay depth to make up for it.

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                              Redbird said:
                              My game killer with last years HH was the menu system. My poor eyes couldnt read the information without straining and I am a dynasty freak so i had to lay HH to the side and "wait for next year"

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                              I didn't care for the menu system, but I think I can deal with pretty much any menu - no matter how crappy - if the game is good enough.

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                              Redbird said:
                              Now I wonder also what game will I get.

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                              I'm trying to keep an open mind. They all look like they've made some serious strides this year, and I'll definitely try them all. But ASB04 was the closest the closest thing I've ever played to my idea of a perfect baseball game, and this year they seem to have implemented everything I wanted changed (behind the pitcher view, widescreen, more dynamic camera system, better presentation, easier learning curve, etc.)

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                              • cub
                                MVP
                                • Mar 2003
                                • 1126

                                #45
                                Re: What High Heat alternative do you recommend for this year?

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                                Redbird said:
                                All in one year?

                                Or did you mostly sim?

                                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                                I played almost every game in ASB and HH. With WSB, I simmed a lot because I just couldn't stomach the cartoonish on-the-field look and generic players... but the franchise had some neat elements.

                                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                                Redbird said:
                                The gameplay in both compared to HH falls short IMHO.

                                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                                Everyone kept saying that beforehand, but when I played full seasons of both ASB04 and HH side by side, ASB was much closer to what happened in the actual season. Even slider tweaks didn't seem to put HH over it as far as realism (and I tried a LOT of slider settings). Plus ASB was so much more immersive in so many ways.

                                The rendition of players' individual mannerisms, details, realistic art style, and such was as lacking in World Series as they were in HH, and WSB didn't have the insane gameplay depth to make up for it.

                                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                                Redbird said:
                                My game killer with last years HH was the menu system. My poor eyes couldnt read the information without straining and I am a dynasty freak so i had to lay HH to the side and "wait for next year"

                                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                                I didn't care for the menu system, but I think I can deal with pretty much any menu - no matter how crappy - if the game is good enough.

                                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                                Redbird said:
                                Now I wonder also what game will I get.

                                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                                I'm trying to keep an open mind. They all look like they've made some serious strides this year, and I'll definitely try them all. But ASB04 was the closest the closest thing I've ever played to my idea of a perfect baseball game, and this year they seem to have implemented everything I wanted changed (behind the pitcher view, widescreen, more dynamic camera system, better presentation, easier learning curve, etc.)

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