Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

[JOEdellis]

Is that what their trying to sell this game on?. Why not work on making the game a SIM and not adding stuff to a horrible baseball game engine?.

[The GIGGAS]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

Is that what their trying to sell this game on?. Why not work on making the game a SIM and not adding stuff to a horrible baseball game engine?.

I think it's their way of making it more like a sim, making players play like themselves.

That's the way I've read into this.

[JaSnake16]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

The "big deal" about the Inside Edge is the unprecedented realism that it will bring to baseball gaming. Inside Edge is a real life service that major league teams use to scout players. It will give pitchers and hitters their real life tendencies. What type, how and where they pitch the ball all based on situations ie. an up and in fastball 60% of the time in a 2-1 count to a lefty. This will truly be innovational to the SIM gamer.

But again, I reiterate, this will mean nothing if the game is "broken" out of the box. We can only hope that all the major flaws that made this game nearly unplayable to many in last years game have been fixed. If the bugs have been addressed, then to the Sim gamer this could be the game we have been waiting for since probably High Heat.

[JOEdellis]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

I think it's their way of making it more like a sim, making players play like themselves.

That's the way I've read into this.

When you Simulate a game maybe, i dont see how this inside edge stuff makes the game a SIM as far as overall GAMEPLAY.

[JOEdellis]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

The "big deal" about the Inside Edge is the unprecedented realism that it will bring to baseball gaming. Inside Edge is a real life service that major league teams use to scout players. It will give pitchers and hitters their real life tendencies. What type, how and where they pitch the ball all based on situations ie. an up and in fastball 60% of the time in a 2-1 count to a lefty. This will truly be innovational to the SIM gamer.

But again, I reiterate, this will mean nothing if the game is "broken" out of the box. We can only hope that all the major flaws that made this game nearly unplayable to many in last years game have been fixed. If the bugs have been addressed, then to the Sim gamer this could be the game we have been waiting for since probably High Heat.

Wouldnt ZONE hitting info give you the same effect?, like one part of the zone would be RED, so you know you shouldnt pitch there all the time.

I played all games last year and 2K5 was by far the most ARCADISH, i think the only way to make this game even feel sim is to fire kush and get the NFL/NBA 2K guys at VC to remake a new game engine from the ground up.

[JaSnake16]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

Wouldnt ZONE hitting info give you the same effect?, like one part of the zone would be RED, so you know you shouldnt pitch there all the time.

I played all games last year and 2K5 was by far the most ARCADISH, i think the only way to make this game even feel sim is to fire kush and get the NFL/NBA 2K guys at VC to remake a new game engine from the ground up.

I agree with you totally about how the game played last year. MVP played much better IMO than 2K5 did especially as a sim (and especially with slider adjustments). But I like where Kush's head is at with the inclusion of the inside edge. They are at least going to attempt to please the hardcore Sim fan.

Zone hitting doesnt take into account pitchers and their strengths. It only accounts for hitters strengths and even then it doesnt account for where they will hit the ball. Inside edge will give you pitchers strengths (finally!) and play more of a matchup type ball at least in theory. Its like Alex Cora should avoid being pitched in his red zone cause he will hit the ball hard somewhere when in real life, he probably just makes contact more in that zone more not mash it somewhere like he would just cause his zone is red and we push up on the stick. Thats not an indictment of all on MVP cause I absolutely loved that game but Inside Edge is supposed to be able to differentiate just that.

[Crucial Mike]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

Agree with the last poster in that if the game doesn't play better...then who cares about inside edge.

But.....If the game plays well, then this aspect is HUGE for me. It ads a whole different dimension to the game. In baseball games of the past, it didn't really matter how you scouted the opposing pitchers or batters. In real life however, this is a massive part of any player's/team's success. While I loved MVP last year, there were far too many times where I saw very strange pitch selections in strange counts, etc...Hopefully inside edge makes this part of the game more realistic.

[BrianFifaFan]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

I'm kind of excited about the Inside Edge being added. Granted, the gameplay must be tight. The bugs that wrecked last years title need to go. But, think of how IE can change this game. All players will have this data running their AI routines; regardless of whether you purchase that data or not. The players should play to their tendencies. This is better than VIP, which just tracks team/coach and human player tendencies. Now if the game itself is bug free and has good basic gameplay.....

[baa7]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

Why not work on making the game a SIM and not adding stuff to a horrible baseball game engine?.

That’s the 40-60 dollar question. IMO, with the exception Of EA’s Triple Play Baseball, MLB 2K5 is the worst baseball game ever produced, game play-wise. If they haven't spent EXTENSIVE time re-programming the game play, then adding Inside Edge “tendencies” will amount to pouring chocolate sauce on a turd in order to make it more palatable.

I don’t see that happening though. I believe the ridiculously arcade game play – fielder’s Spiderman-like wall-climbing and 20-foot horizontal dives, along with the super-steroid HR derby hitting game – is something they’re intentionally programming into game, believing game play of that sort is something that is appealing to and will attract casual (the majority of) gamers.

[Blzer]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

Is that what their trying to sell this game on?

Doesn't seem like it. It's not even on their Key Features list.

Why not work on making the game a SIM and not adding stuff to a horrible baseball game engine?.

IMO this oxymoron couldn't be better questioned if it were planned. This is exactly what the feature is all about... making it more sim. It's all about player tendencies, uniqueness, and individuality.

[baa7]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

While I loved MVP last year, there were far too many times where I saw very strange pitch selections in strange counts, etc...Hopefully inside edge makes this part of the game more realistic.

Exactly. And considering the amount of know-how and work it would take to program the game that realistically, and considering they couldn’t program the third baseman to trot over and pick up a rolling baseball, it’s hard to believe they have the programming expertise to implement Inside Edge except in the most basic of ways – such as flashing an “Inside Edge” pitch chart on the screen showing the pitcher throws 60% fastballs, etc. Or in other words, showing they’ve programmed that particular pitcher to throw fastballs on 6 out of 10 pitches.

I’m guessing all those pitch charts and hit charts will mean little once the action starts, and that every batter’s still going to be belting tons of fly balls and homeruns, and every pitcher’s still going to be programmed with pin-point control and nothing resembling real and actual pitch-selection strategy… just like last year’s game.

[bubs]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

I agree with post. They add all of these useless features and continue to give
us 2nd rate gameplay. This game as much as I want to like it is years behind
where baseball video games should be. MVP blows this game out of the water
and we all should drill the developers about gameplay issues.

[baa7]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

IMO this oxymoron couldn't be better questioned if it were planned. This is exactly what the feature is all about... making it more sim. It's all about player tendencies, uniqueness, and individuality.

IMO, the oxymoron here is “Kush is working on a sim baseball game”. And you bet I’m basing my opinions and views on last year’s game.

I once worked for an organization that implemented an all-new way of working together, in order to be more inclusive. Instead of the directors making all the decisions, the workers were asked to team up together in small, decision-making groups. And guess what? The moment our little group made our first decision together, we told we couldn’t implement our ideas until they were first approved by the directors. Like chocolate sauce on a turd…

No, I can’t believe this or that all-new anything is going to make a dot of difference to the current MLB series. It’s a horrible mess of a game that needs to be re-programmed from the ground up. I popped 2K4 into the Xbox today and played it for an hour. I was AMAZED at game play compared to 2K5 – like comparing Splinter Cell to Stolen, or Half-Life 2 to Serious Sam. One’s a very tight video baseball game, and the other’s a laughable arcade imitation and child’s toy.

[Blzer]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

No, I can’t believe this or that all-new anything is going to make a dot of difference to the current MLB series. It’s a horrible mess of a game that needs to be re-programmed from the ground up. I popped 2K4 into the Xbox today and played it for an hour. I was AMAZED at game play compared to 2K5 – like comparing Splinter Cell to Stolen, or Half-Life 2 to Serious Sam. One’s a very tight video baseball game, and the other’s a laughable arcade imitation and child’s toy.

Aside from a better sounding bat and more balls pitched, I don't see any greater benefits to going back to that bland ESPN Major League Baseball. Hit variety was pretty much the same, and home runs were the same (with slider tweaks). Might I remind you that leaping catches were IMPOSSIBLE in that game? Don't even start complaining about leaps in one game when they're impossible in another game.

They're whole new movement system will be revolutionary to the series. Momentum and collisions is a terrific start, followed by good enough tweaks to the rest of the animations to make the game, gameplay-wise, actually playable (by your standards).

I won't believe this feature will be broken. Like I've said before... I've never claimed one of 2K's baseball games to be "promising" like I do with this one. I think that they're getting a horrible rep for no reason at all. Give them a chance and a fair evaluation after PLAYING the game, then come back and talk about what's broken and what's not.





And no... the oxymoron is actually in his post, and not in the sense that we ever did/didn't consider this game 'sim'.

[baa7]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

actually playable (by your standards).

I think that they're getting a horrible rep for no reason at all.

Five minutes after I first popped MLB 2K5 into the Xbox, I was cursing out loud at the TV: “WTF is this garbage?!”

Two weeks after MLB 2K5 was released, there were maybe five people still coming to these boards who hadn’t abandoned the game along with everyone else in North America. In other words, the game was unplayable by almost everyone’s standards. And it was only playable for me because I spent three months editing player ratings.

A horrible rep for no reason at all? Truth is I don’t believe you actually believe that statement yourself. No, a very deserved rep, given they (twice) chose to release a steaming pile of dung and promote it as a video baseball game.