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  • dooch
    Pro
    • Jul 2002
    • 609

    #61
    Re: WSB 2K3 : Based on the movies....

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    I don't think either system is perfect, but I tend to prefer ASB's a little more. The angle thing, I usually angle it before my swing, so it doesn't bother me too much. And in real baseball, they'll swing up, or down, depending on whether they're trying to hit a fly ball or a ground ball to move a runner over, etc...

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    Of course you angle the cursor before the pitch. Everyone does. It would be impossible to try and hit a pitch if you didn't.

    Not to be mean, but did you ever play real baseball? You said that hitters angle their swing in real life according to what they want to hit, well you are dead wrong. Maybe it is possible in T ball, but even that is almost pushing it. For a Major League hitter, or anyone playing serious baseball, their swing is all about consistency. They have honed and perfected it over the years so that it is the same each and every time. A good swing is pretty much stays level throughout the hitting zone, with a very slight downward angle. Hitters are taught to hit line drives, not to swing upward from their shoe laces like they are trying to hit Manute Bol in the face.

    Hitters are taught to try and hit the ball back in the direction it came from, not to adjust their angle and hit wherever they want to. They do that with their footwork and by timing the pitch properly, not by angling their bat by moving their arms and elbow into some crazy position to hit to a specific location.

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    First off, I never said they 'angle' their swings. I said they'll tend to have a slight upwards swing, or downwards, depending on what the situation calls for (i.e hitting a fly ball to get a guy home from 3rd, hitting a ground ball to move a runner, etc). Again, I know that no baseball game will truly simulate the real thing, but to me, ASB comes the closest. If you prefer WSB or HH, more power to you. I myself will be picking up both as well, but I prefer ASB's gameplay to them all.

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    • SportsorDeath
      MVP
      • Jul 2002
      • 2870

      #62
      Re: WSB 2K3 : Based on the movies....

      That's cool, bro. I respect your opinion and you are certainly entitled to like whatever game you want. I just took issue with you saying ASB was realistic hitting, that's all. I hope you enjoy ASB. The features look pretty deep.

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      • SportsorDeath
        MVP
        • Jul 2002
        • 2870

        #63
        Re: WSB 2K3 : Based on the movies....

        That's cool, bro. I respect your opinion and you are certainly entitled to like whatever game you want. I just took issue with you saying ASB was realistic hitting, that's all. I hope you enjoy ASB. The features look pretty deep.

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        • dooch
          Pro
          • Jul 2002
          • 609

          #64
          Re: WSB 2K3 : Based on the movies....

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          That's cool, bro. I respect your opinion and you are certainly entitled to like whatever game you want. I just took issue with you saying ASB was realistic hitting, that's all. I hope you enjoy ASB. The features look pretty deep.

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          Again, nothing in real life will be as pronounced as angling the swing in ASB, I just think it's a bit more challenging then swinging straight down the middle at a pitch no matter what zone the pitch is in. And I hope you enjoy whatever game you pick up. There are definitely some great choices.

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          • dooch
            Pro
            • Jul 2002
            • 609

            #65
            Re: WSB 2K3 : Based on the movies....

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            That's cool, bro. I respect your opinion and you are certainly entitled to like whatever game you want. I just took issue with you saying ASB was realistic hitting, that's all. I hope you enjoy ASB. The features look pretty deep.

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            Again, nothing in real life will be as pronounced as angling the swing in ASB, I just think it's a bit more challenging then swinging straight down the middle at a pitch no matter what zone the pitch is in. And I hope you enjoy whatever game you pick up. There are definitely some great choices.

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            • p2xgamers
              All Star
              • Jul 2002
              • 4735

              #66
              Re: WSB 2K3 : Based on the movies....

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              The gameplay not being improved isn't a bad thing. It was the best overall game last year IMO.

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              I think horrible batting and a average pitching sytem should be improved, but of course, Acclaim doesnt care about the Public. What a Shame...

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              Please describe to me the 'horrible batting' and 'average pitching system'. Was the 'horrible batting' due to you not being able to learn to use the cursor?

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              I forgot to explain. Sorry. Average pitch system, a simple strike zone and you aim your pitch and thats it, no Red and Cold Zones (at least to my knowledge, if so, please tell me how ). Horrible batting system. Not hard to explain. You basically dont even use the cursor, because the time to move your cursor is so minimal its amazing. If it wouldnt be for that, the game would be a lot better. Also fielding, it seems like they are playing in there sleep, they take there time, its like they dont care. I still like ASB, but its #3 on my list of the 4 baseball games. Oh and also. I have played ASB and am used to it, so you cant use that exscuse "Was the 'horrible batting' due to you not being able to learn to use the cursor?"
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              • p2xgamers
                All Star
                • Jul 2002
                • 4735

                #67
                Re: WSB 2K3 : Based on the movies....

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                The gameplay not being improved isn't a bad thing. It was the best overall game last year IMO.

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                I think horrible batting and a average pitching sytem should be improved, but of course, Acclaim doesnt care about the Public. What a Shame...

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                Please describe to me the 'horrible batting' and 'average pitching system'. Was the 'horrible batting' due to you not being able to learn to use the cursor?

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                I forgot to explain. Sorry. Average pitch system, a simple strike zone and you aim your pitch and thats it, no Red and Cold Zones (at least to my knowledge, if so, please tell me how ). Horrible batting system. Not hard to explain. You basically dont even use the cursor, because the time to move your cursor is so minimal its amazing. If it wouldnt be for that, the game would be a lot better. Also fielding, it seems like they are playing in there sleep, they take there time, its like they dont care. I still like ASB, but its #3 on my list of the 4 baseball games. Oh and also. I have played ASB and am used to it, so you cant use that exscuse "Was the 'horrible batting' due to you not being able to learn to use the cursor?"
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                • Motown
                  OS Brew Connoisseur
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 9169

                  #68
                  Re: WSB 2K3 : Based on the movies....

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                  This has been said many times, so once more isn't going to hurt. You can't base a game off of movies. The movies give you an idea of what to expect, but until you have actually sat down and played the game you can't pass judgement over any game. Once you play a game then you can hoot and hollar or moan and groan all you want.

                  Even if you play a game and say it sucks somebody else might like it so it doesn't matter what you have to say anyway. Games are meant to be fun but people get to wrapped up in trying to convince others which game is superior to another. If you enjoy and are having fun with the game you choose then that's all that matters.

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                  Hey man, i can tell ya this, i don't need to set down &amp; play hrs of WSB to know that:
                  1. The ballparks look cartoony
                  2. The outfield is too damn small
                  3.Every ball hit, looks like its hit on turf, I mean the ball bounces way to much, They definetly need to fix this
                  4. No collision detection, The ball just disappears in the stands.

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                  • Motown
                    OS Brew Connoisseur
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 9169

                    #69
                    Re: WSB 2K3 : Based on the movies....

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                    This has been said many times, so once more isn't going to hurt. You can't base a game off of movies. The movies give you an idea of what to expect, but until you have actually sat down and played the game you can't pass judgement over any game. Once you play a game then you can hoot and hollar or moan and groan all you want.

                    Even if you play a game and say it sucks somebody else might like it so it doesn't matter what you have to say anyway. Games are meant to be fun but people get to wrapped up in trying to convince others which game is superior to another. If you enjoy and are having fun with the game you choose then that's all that matters.

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                    Hey man, i can tell ya this, i don't need to set down &amp; play hrs of WSB to know that:
                    1. The ballparks look cartoony
                    2. The outfield is too damn small
                    3.Every ball hit, looks like its hit on turf, I mean the ball bounces way to much, They definetly need to fix this
                    4. No collision detection, The ball just disappears in the stands.

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                    • dooch
                      Pro
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 609

                      #70
                      Re: WSB 2K3 : Based on the movies....

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                      The gameplay not being improved isn't a bad thing. It was the best overall game last year IMO.

                      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                      I think horrible batting and a average pitching sytem should be improved, but of course, Acclaim doesnt care about the Public. What a Shame...

                      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                      Please describe to me the 'horrible batting' and 'average pitching system'. Was the 'horrible batting' due to you not being able to learn to use the cursor?

                      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                      I forgot to explain. Sorry. Average pitch system, a simple strike zone and you aim your pitch and thats it, no Red and Cold Zones (at least to my knowledge, if so, please tell me how ). Horrible batting system. Not hard to explain. You basically dont even use the cursor, because the time to move your cursor is so minimal its amazing. If it wouldnt be for that, the game would be a lot better. Also fielding, it seems like they are playing in there sleep, they take there time, its like they dont care. I still like ASB, but its #3 on my list of the 4 baseball games. Oh and also. I have played ASB and am used to it, so you cant use that exscuse "Was the 'horrible batting' due to you not being able to learn to use the cursor?"

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                      Not following you totally. Maybe I had a different version than you. What's your point? You aim your pitch like any game, the more tired you are, the less likely that pitch will be in the zone you selected. I moved my cursor plenty to hit the pitch. Simple strike zone? Is it more complicated in other games? Still don't see your point.

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                      • dooch
                        Pro
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 609

                        #71
                        Re: WSB 2K3 : Based on the movies....

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                        The gameplay not being improved isn't a bad thing. It was the best overall game last year IMO.

                        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                        I think horrible batting and a average pitching sytem should be improved, but of course, Acclaim doesnt care about the Public. What a Shame...

                        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                        Please describe to me the 'horrible batting' and 'average pitching system'. Was the 'horrible batting' due to you not being able to learn to use the cursor?

                        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                        I forgot to explain. Sorry. Average pitch system, a simple strike zone and you aim your pitch and thats it, no Red and Cold Zones (at least to my knowledge, if so, please tell me how ). Horrible batting system. Not hard to explain. You basically dont even use the cursor, because the time to move your cursor is so minimal its amazing. If it wouldnt be for that, the game would be a lot better. Also fielding, it seems like they are playing in there sleep, they take there time, its like they dont care. I still like ASB, but its #3 on my list of the 4 baseball games. Oh and also. I have played ASB and am used to it, so you cant use that exscuse "Was the 'horrible batting' due to you not being able to learn to use the cursor?"

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                        Not following you totally. Maybe I had a different version than you. What's your point? You aim your pitch like any game, the more tired you are, the less likely that pitch will be in the zone you selected. I moved my cursor plenty to hit the pitch. Simple strike zone? Is it more complicated in other games? Still don't see your point.

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                        • smarkey
                          Rookie
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 16

                          #72
                          Re: WSB 2K3 : Based on the movies....

                          [QUOTE]Not following you totally. Maybe I had a different version than you. What's your point? You aim your pitch like any game, the more tired you are, the less likely that pitch will be in the zone you selected. I moved my cursor plenty to hit the pitch. Simple strike zone? Is it more complicated in other games? Still don't see your point.

                          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> I think by "simple strike zone" he's referring to the hot/cold chart. ASB 03 did have one, but it was buried in the manager's menu (where you could also access pitch history, hitter's tendency by field, intentional walks, etc.). I would have liked it better if it had been on screen automatically for each hitter, but after I got into the habit of bringing it up, it wasn't too bad. Interesting, I just looked in the manual and I couldn't find a mention of any of this.

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                          • smarkey
                            Rookie
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 16

                            #73
                            Re: WSB 2K3 : Based on the movies....

                            [QUOTE]Not following you totally. Maybe I had a different version than you. What's your point? You aim your pitch like any game, the more tired you are, the less likely that pitch will be in the zone you selected. I moved my cursor plenty to hit the pitch. Simple strike zone? Is it more complicated in other games? Still don't see your point.

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> I think by "simple strike zone" he's referring to the hot/cold chart. ASB 03 did have one, but it was buried in the manager's menu (where you could also access pitch history, hitter's tendency by field, intentional walks, etc.). I would have liked it better if it had been on screen automatically for each hitter, but after I got into the habit of bringing it up, it wasn't too bad. Interesting, I just looked in the manual and I couldn't find a mention of any of this.

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                            • Heelfan71
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 19940

                              #74
                              Re: WSB 2K3 : Based on the movies....

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                              Hey man, i can tell ya this, i don't need to set down &amp; play hrs of WSB to know that:
                              1. The ballparks look cartoony
                              2. The outfield is too damn small
                              3.Every ball hit, looks like its hit on turf, I mean the ball bounces way to much, They definetly need to fix this
                              4. No collision detection, The ball just disappears in the stands.


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                              Did you even own the game last year?

                              1. I don't think they look cartoony.
                              2. Outfields are not too small.
                              3. Never noticed that when I played
                              4. ASB is the only game that had it in the crowd.
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                              • Heelfan71
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 19940

                                #75
                                Re: WSB 2K3 : Based on the movies....

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                                Hey man, i can tell ya this, i don't need to set down &amp; play hrs of WSB to know that:
                                1. The ballparks look cartoony
                                2. The outfield is too damn small
                                3.Every ball hit, looks like its hit on turf, I mean the ball bounces way to much, They definetly need to fix this
                                4. No collision detection, The ball just disappears in the stands.


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                                Did you even own the game last year?

                                1. I don't think they look cartoony.
                                2. Outfields are not too small.
                                3. Never noticed that when I played
                                4. ASB is the only game that had it in the crowd.
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