Player/Team Ratings are up!

[EnigmaNemesis]

Re: Player/Team Ratings are up!

They are still using Inside Edge, so they are most likely still basing ratings on three years. Otherwise Church would be an 80 or above, and the old guys like Alou, Delgado, and Lo Duca would be less than they are.

I think you may be right. Which would explain Holliday and Tejada. And I would expect to see them get more reasonable when they release roster updates.

[DSheppard]

Re: Player/Team Ratings are up!

Aaron Hill? No? David Eckstein a 75? Jays middle infield looks weaaaak...and I don't think that's totally deserved.

Meanwhile, V-dub is not a 90.

Meanwhile, thank goodness we can edit these...

V-Dub?

Id assume vernon wells.. but you know.. he had a .706 ops last year, so im not sure rating him under 90 is a big problem.

[Chitown1211]

Re: Player/Team Ratings are up!

with all do respect to everyone who makes a big deal about ratings, how can you be upset or happy for that matter about any of the ratings given to a player, when you have NO IDEA as to what it is that they are taking in as a factor for the ratings. Let me explain, or actually let me ask: do you know how many factors were taken in order to give out a rating? do you know if fielding has a higher value then hitting? how many categories are taken into consideration, is it only fielding, hitting and pitching? or did they take all five to six tools into consideration when giving this ratings (power, average, fielding, throwing, running, speed) yes there is a difference between a fast runner and a smart runner. i guess my point is you don't know which factor are taken when giving a player a rating, and you don't know which one of these factor are given more or less importance over the other? so to conclude stop complaining about all of the thing you know nothing about and wait for the game to come out and then i am sure you be able to give a much better analysis about the game.

I will expand on this because obviously many people did not grasp what you are trying to say. But please use paragraphs in the future . lol



Without seeing all the individual attributes you cannot determine which OVERALL player ratings are right or wrong. Two players can have very similar OVERALL ratings with very different ATTRIBUTE ratings which get them to that number. Yet still making one much better than the other.


For instance. Lets say we have two players rated 75 respectively. But here is their individual attributes. ( this is for example reasons only)

Player A- Avg. 72 , Pwr. 80 , Field. 60, Spd. 55 = OVR 75

Player B- Avg. 55 , Pwr. 45 , Field. 95, Spd. 93 = OVR 75


The same OVERALL rating, but VERY different players. Obviously Player A could be a stud DH or 1st basemen while Player B will probably be a utility guy / pinch runner at best.

This is why its pretty darn ignorant to ONLY see the players overall ratings and actually complain about them.

Not to mention every person in this forum could do a roster and we would all be way off from one another. Complaining about ratings is dumb. Thats why games come with editors.

[Chad Rogers]

Re: Player/Team Ratings are up!

I will expand on this because obviously many people did not grasp what you are trying to say. But please use paragraphs in the future . lol



Without seeing all the individual attributes you cannot determine which OVERALL player ratings are right or wrong. Two players can have very similar OVERALL ratings with very different ATTRIBUTE ratings which get them to that number. Yet still making one much better than the other.


For instance. Lets say we have two players rated 75 respectively. But here is their individual attributes. ( this is for example reasons only)

Player A- Avg. 72 , Pwr. 80 , Field. 60, Spd. 55 = OVR 75

Player B- Avg. 55 , Pwr. 45 , Field. 95, Spd. 93 = OVR 75


The same OVERALL rating, but VERY different players. Obviously Player A could be a stud DH or 1st basemen while Player B will probably be a utility guy / pinch runner at best.

This is why its pretty darn ignorant to ONLY see the players overall ratings and actually complain about them.

Not to mention every person in this forum could do a roster and we would all be way off from one another. Complaining about ratings is dumb. Thats why games come with editors.

Thanks for posting this. Most can't see past the overall rating which for many can be inflated or deflated by something not important for his position.

Chad

[EnigmaNemesis]

Re: Player/Team Ratings are up!

I will expand on this because obviously many people did not grasp what you are trying to say. But please use paragraphs in the future . lol



Without seeing all the individual attributes you cannot determine which OVERALL player ratings are right or wrong. Two players can have very similar OVERALL ratings with very different ATTRIBUTE ratings which get them to that number. Yet still making one much better than the other.


For instance. Lets say we have two players rated 75 respectively. But here is their individual attributes. ( this is for example reasons only)

Player A- Avg. 72 , Pwr. 80 , Field. 60, Spd. 55 = OVR 75

Player B- Avg. 55 , Pwr. 45 , Field. 95, Spd. 93 = OVR 75


The same OVERALL rating, but VERY different players. Obviously Player A could be a stud DH or 1st basemen while Player B will probably be a utility guy / pinch runner at best.

This is why its pretty darn ignorant to ONLY see the players overall ratings and actually complain about them.

Not to mention every person in this forum could do a roster and we would all be way off from one another. Complaining about ratings is dumb. Thats why games come with editors.

Great post. This combined with the Inside Edge mentioned earlier will have lots to do with this. And things that can, and will be edited with roster updates. Since nobody is going to use the Jan 15th roster on opening day!

[Greene_Flash03]

Re: Player/Team Ratings are up!

Shame on them! Khalil Greene isn't on the list???? The dude had a break out year last year! 29 HR's 99 RBIS

and Shawn Green is overrated! he should be 78 or something.

[Marino]

Re: Player/Team Ratings are up!

Where is Brad Penny?

He should be in the top 10 at least...he is better than scott kazmir...and wtf dontrelle willis is rated better than Penny as well...

wtf kind of ratings are these?

[I_Love_Piazza]

Re: Player/Team Ratings are up!

Where is Brad Penny?

He should be in the top 10 at least...he is better than scott kazmir...and wtf dontrelle willis is rated better than Penny as well...

wtf kind of ratings are these?

Willis's ratings are based on three years, as well as his highly effectively pitches. He has a lot of talent, but Penny is more solid. You have to remember this is based on 2005-2007, not just 06-07, or 07.

[Trevytrev11]

Re: Player/Team Ratings are up!

Yeah, I think most people look strictly at offense when they look at these ratings and if they see an offensive monster who is discounted for being a liability on defense, the ratings won't make sense.

I don't even understand why they post the ratings...it never satisfies anyone.

The one thing I will say is that the "three year" system that they use (or is believed that they use) is a seriously flawed method. A lot can happen in the course of three years especially playes at the front or back end of their careers that could seriously skew the numbers.

Also, we don't know how the ratings are weighted. I would bet that offense is weighted higher than defense, but by how much? What about speed? As stated, unless we understand and know the equation they use, how can we even debate?

Also, unless you understand the relationship between numbers, you don't know how much better a 95 in power is than a 90? All things being equal, is it another 5 HR's, 2 HR's?

[guboogi]

Re: Player/Team Ratings are up!

As a Yankee fan, it's pretty stupid to rank them #1 when 1) they weren't the best team last year based on record; 2) they didn't even make it past the ALDS, so they shouldn't get any playoff "boost" in ratings; 3) they don't have any major offseason acquisitions besides resigning their own players.

Just out of curiosity, when users upload updated rosters on this forum, do they usually edit the ratings to bring them more inline with real life, or is it preferable to just leave them as the default?

[I_Love_Piazza]

Re: Player/Team Ratings are up!

As a Yankee fan, it's pretty stupid to rank them #1 when 1) they weren't the best team last year based on record; 2) they didn't even make it past the ALDS, so they shouldn't get any playoff "boost" in ratings; 3) they don't have any major offseason acquisitions besides resigning their own players.

Just out of curiosity, when users upload updated rosters on this forum, do they usually edit the ratings to bring them more inline with real life, or is it preferable to just leave them as the default?

You guys have a lot of players who had career years in the past 3 years. Posada, A-Rod, Jeter, Cano, etc. Most of your guys are on the downside of their careers, but they have been really good lately. The pitchers are probably not rated so highly, it's mostly your lineup.

[CS10029]

Re: Player/Team Ratings are up!

Lowell is wicked under rated, same with Beckett and Ellsbury.

[10-27-04]

Re: Player/Team Ratings are up!

http://forums.operationsports.com/vB...d.php?t=227028

I posted this in a ratings thread a week or two ago, but I thought I'd post it again.

I'm not posting so much because I'm looking for help in actually rerating the rosters - I think I'll end up doing it by myself - but more because I hope to generate more interest.

Just something to look at .

Would love any input!

[Gibbz]

Re: Player/Team Ratings are up!

Pujols is too good....
Also, I dig Michael Young and Ian Kinsler getting some love.

[NoSkillz50]

Re: Player/Team Ratings are up!

Casey Kotchman should be higher than Nomar, Adrian Gozalez and Sexson and as good as Overbay. Nick Johnson is like a 90 if healthy.

Eckstein and Juan Pierre have no business being over 70. They should be honestly be bench players. Eckstein actually could probably start at 2B, but he has got to have the worst range and arm of just about any middle infielder. I've never seen somebody cost a team so many runs on defense without seemingly making any errors at all.