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  • Padgoi
    Banned
    • Oct 2008
    • 1873

    #1

    Based on the videos, it seems the CPU has a difficult time hitting breaking pitches!

    I could be imagining this so if I am (and you can provide visual evidence to renege my opinion) please excuse this topic, but it seems the computer AI has a very difficult time hitting breaking pitches, i.e. curveballs and change-ups. Almost every video I've seen, when a pitcher throws a few curveballs in a row, the CPU AI batter is almost always WAY ahead of the pitch. I've seen quite a number of strike-outs in the videos presented and they are almost ALL on breaking pitches that the CPU batter cannot time properly.

    Again, I may be imagining this and I may be exaggerating, but just based on what I've been seeing lately, I really hope this isn't an issue because if it, almost all of us will resort to throwing non-stop breaking pitches, resulting in inordinate amounts of strike-outs.
  • baa7
    Banned
    • Jul 2004
    • 11691

    #2
    Re: Based on the videos, it seems the CPU has a difficult time hitting breaking pitch

    You can't go by a few vids. But past versions of the game have had that exact issue. I think it was 2K5 where you could toss sinkers all day and the CPU couldn't make contact.

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    • myghty
      MVP
      • Mar 2005
      • 2395

      #3
      Re: Based on the videos, it seems the CPU has a difficult time hitting breaking pitch

      You mean like the Voodoo guy from the movie 'Major League'?
      "In a year that has been so improbable, the impossible has happened." - Vin Scully

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      • coachpars
        Rookie
        • Mar 2005
        • 174

        #4
        Re: Based on the videos, it seems the CPU has a difficult time hitting breaking pitch

        Originally posted by Padgoi
        I could be imagining this so if I am (and you can provide visual evidence to renege my opinion) please excuse this topic, but it seems the computer AI has a very difficult time hitting breaking pitches, i.e. curveballs and change-ups. Almost every video I've seen, when a pitcher throws a few curveballs in a row, the CPU AI batter is almost always WAY ahead of the pitch. I've seen quite a number of strike-outs in the videos presented and they are almost ALL on breaking pitches that the CPU batter cannot time properly.

        Again, I may be imagining this and I may be exaggerating, but just based on what I've been seeing lately, I really hope this isn't an issue because if it, almost all of us will resort to throwing non-stop breaking pitches, resulting in inordinate amounts of strike-outs.
        sheesh it was half an inning...

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        • DaveDQ
          13
          • Sep 2003
          • 7664

          #5
          Re: Based on the videos, it seems the CPU has a difficult time hitting breaking pitch

          Who can hit a well thrown 12/6 curve?

          If the game rewards you for nailing the gesture so that your pitch is thrown in a way that catches the batter off guard, shouldn't that be the case? Also, I'm seriously thinking about prefacing all of my replies in this forum with, "Most of you must not have played previous versions because..."

          As "horrific" and "toxic" and "globally unfriendly as MLB 2K8 was, the game did a great job of rewarding you when you nailed the pitching gesture. High fast balls, low and inside, even getting a low slider in that rewarded you with a ground ball, there was a great payoff.
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          • skitch
            Fear Ameer
            • Oct 2002
            • 12349

            #6
            Re: Based on the videos, it seems the CPU has a difficult time hitting breaking pitch

            Originally posted by myghty
            You mean like the Voodoo guy from the movie 'Major League'?
            LOL.

            "Screw you, Joeboo. I do this myself."

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            • ehh
              Hall Of Fame
              • Mar 2003
              • 28962

              #7
              Re: Based on the videos, it seems the CPU has a difficult time hitting breaking pitch

              Originally posted by myghty
              You mean like the Voodoo guy from the movie 'Major League'?
              And current All-State Insurance pitch man, LOL.
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              • BigBlue
                Pro
                • Feb 2003
                • 662

                #8
                Re: Based on the videos, it seems the CPU has a difficult time hitting breaking pitch

                Originally posted by ehh
                And current All-State Insurance pitch man, LOL.
                ... and President Palmer on '24'

                BigBlue

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                • baa7
                  Banned
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 11691

                  #9
                  Re: Based on the videos, it seems the CPU has a difficult time hitting breaking pitch

                  Originally posted by DaveDQ
                  Who can hit a well thrown 12/6 curve?

                  If the game rewards you for nailing the gesture so that your pitch is thrown in a way that catches the batter off guard, shouldn't that be the case? Also, I'm seriously thinking about prefacing all of my replies in this forum with, "Most of you must not have played previous versions because..."
                  This is game programming we're talking about, not MLB. This issue -- if it's an issue in 2K9 -- existed in other versions of 2K baseball. Most of you must not have spent 100's of hours editing these games, and don't realize these games can in fact have coding glitches.

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                  • Trevytrev11
                    MVP
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 3259

                    #10
                    Re: Based on the videos, it seems the CPU has a difficult time hitting breaking pitch

                    Originally posted by DaveDQ
                    Who can hit a well thrown 12/6 curve?

                    If the game rewards you for nailing the gesture so that your pitch is thrown in a way that catches the batter off guard, shouldn't that be the case? Also, I'm seriously thinking about prefacing all of my replies in this forum with, "Most of you must not have played previous versions because..."

                    As "horrific" and "toxic" and "globally unfriendly as MLB 2K8 was, the game did a great job of rewarding you when you nailed the pitching gesture. High fast balls, low and inside, even getting a low slider in that rewarded you with a ground ball, there was a great payoff.
                    It depends. I'll agree if it is a guy who has a dirty curve, but a guy who throws just an average curve shouldn't all of a sudden become unhittable because he's got a perfect gesture behind it. Many pitchers best curveballs or other offspeed pitches still aren't very good.

                    Now, as a human batter vs. a pitcher who throws a perfect pitch, it should have no effect. The break/movement/change of speeds in the game should handle all of that. In other words if Zito drops bis best curveball, I shouldn't miss it just becuase he maxed out his gesture. I should miss it because it litterally buckeled me and I swung way over it.

                    Also, location should maybe have more to do with it. Most (definitely not all) off speed pitches that are swung in missed are done so because the hitter is just fooled by the timing or because the pitch breaks out of the zone. Some pitches just buckle a guy and he'll put an ugly swing on a ball, but usually it's a guy thinking the pitch is going to break over the plate and instead it breaks off the plate or in the dirt.

                    Another thing..I wish they would fix the physics of pitching so that offspeed pitches thrown up in the zone flatten out. Curveballs, sliders, splitters, etc. left up in the zone tend not to have nearly as much or as sharp of a break as when thrown down in the zone. I hate the fact that you can intentionally try and start a curve at a players head and have it break to the top corner of the zone. That pitch either gets hammered or doesn't break.
                    Last edited by Trevytrev11; 02-20-2009, 12:38 PM.

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                    • Tomba
                      TOMBA IS ONLINE
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 8908

                      #11
                      Re: Based on the videos, it seems the CPU has a difficult time hitting breaking pitch

                      I actually disagree. In the devleoper walkthrough i saw some pitches break and the cpu hit them . i was like 'huh? cool!"
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                      • DaveDQ
                        13
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 7664

                        #12
                        Re: Based on the videos, it seems the CPU has a difficult time hitting breaking pitch

                        Originally posted by Trevytrev11
                        It depends. I'll agree if it is a guy who has a dirty curve, but a guy who throws just an average curve shouldn't all of a sudden become unhittable because he's got a perfect gesture behind it. Many pitchers best curveballs or other offspeed pitches still aren't very good.

                        Now, as a human batter vs. a pitcher who throws a perfect pitch, it should have no effect. The break/movement/change of speeds in the game should handle all of that. In other words if Zito drops bis best curveball, I shouldn't miss it just becuase he maxed out his gesture. I should miss it because it litterally buckeled me and I swung way over it.

                        Also, location should maybe have more to do with it. Most (definitely not all) off speed pitches that are swung in missed are done so because the hitter is just fooled by the timing or because the pitch breaks out of the zone. Some pitches just buckle a guy and he'll put an ugly swing on a ball, but usually it's a guy thinking the pitch is going to break over the plate and instead it breaks off the plate or in the dirt.
                        You make very valid points, and I agree. Last year, because the lag was so bad online, we had to mandate an all strikes approach. I know that completely doesn't fly for the baseball purist, but it's all we could do. But, what was fun about it was tricking a guy on speeds and placement of pitches. That's a big part of pitching.

                        Which brings online to the table. They better fix it. LOL
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                        • nemesis04
                          RIP Ty My Buddy
                          • Feb 2004
                          • 13530

                          #13
                          Re: Based on the videos, it seems the CPU has a difficult time hitting breaking pitch

                          In the later videos it seems to be more prolific. Is it possible it is a byproduct of Steve fiddling with sliders? He could be messing around with the batting success slider. Just a thought.
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                          • Trevytrev11
                            MVP
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 3259

                            #14
                            Re: Based on the videos, it seems the CPU has a difficult time hitting breaking pitch

                            Originally posted by nemesis04
                            In the later videos it seems to be more prolific. Is it possible it is a byproduct of Steve fiddling with sliders? He could be messing around with the batting success slider. Just a thought.
                            Ducherer just has an unhittable curve

                            Seriously though, it was filthy in 2K8 and the AI did the same thing against it then. You could aim it damn near the top of the zone and it would break down out of the zone. The guys that throw big slow cuves in this game definitely have an advantage with that pitch against the AI.

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                            • DaveDQ
                              13
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 7664

                              #15
                              Re: Based on the videos, it seems the CPU has a difficult time hitting breaking pitch

                              Originally posted by Trevytrev11
                              Ducherer just has an unhittable curve

                              Seriously though, it was filthy in 2K8 and the AI did the same thing against it then. You could aim it damn near the top of the zone and it would break down out of the zone. The guys that throw big slow cuves in this game definitely have an advantage with that pitch against the AI.
                              It was, but not as bad as 2K6. If I remember correctly, the break on the ball changed a lot in 2K7. When you pitch with a guy like Beckett though, in 2K8, his 12/6 drops big time. The thing is though, nailing it with the gesture was tough, and if you missed, it was hittable.
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