Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

[miamimarlins1]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

I can't understand loyalty to any company that doesn't do what's best for consumers. When I purchase a game, I'm looking for what's the best game I will like that's on the market, not what company produced it. The worst part of this blind loyalty is it is so detrimental to us as consumers. If people didn't blindly purchase 2k baseball or Madden when they keep releasing crap, these exclusivity agreements would go away very quickly. Imagine if 2k9 sales feel 50% this year, when that license is up for renewal, they wouldn't be able to afford it, and MLB wouldn't want to give it to them. People need to wise up and buy games based on their quality, and not care who the hell makes it

[spankdatazz22]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

The other, that I (and I think bkrich) am referring to, has to do with the consumers on various forums, mainly this one. Most people are much harder on EA. Some of this is deserved, some of it is just trend. Ea has the "evil corporation" persona attached to it more than 2K.

I'll make this my last comment about the subject. The "people being harder on EA" thing just doesn't fly. Live got better, people talked positively of the game. Most don't hold the bad previous iterations against it. NHL 08/09 were looked at as being good/great games; very few were holding "anti-EA agendas" against it. EA has exclusivity to the FIFA license, and you don't see people bashing FIFA because it's a quality game (I assume). Hell, many in the forums tried to talk up EA games like Dead Space and Mirror's Edge because they felt consumers on the whole didn't reward those titles with the sales many felt they deserved.

Madden gets a ton of crap but it's not mainly because "2K gamers won't let go". If EA were making the best football game available you wouldn't see exclusivity be anywhere near as large a factor as some try to make it out to be. You look in the Madden forum now and there are people bending over to the point of ridiculousness trying to be positive to Tiburon. Yes, exclusivity sucks. But gamers aren't as against exclusivity as much as they are being limited to playing a bad game. If MLB2K9 were the best baseball game available, there'd be very little complaining about exclusivity imo

[Eddie1967]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

Yet you forgive 2k for doing the same thing to baseball. That makes perfect sense.

God bless blind product loyalty.

There is a choice in baseball called the show which many agree is much better than 2k. I know the PS3 is expensive and some may not want to purchase it for one game, but there is still a choice. This is much different than football where the only choice we have is Madden, which is (to use your words) UNPLAYABLE!

[Eddie1967]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

I never thought I would see the day when BFJ was critical of a 2k game. His statements about this game, say more than any single mainstream review about the state of this game,imo.

What did BFJ say about the game that was so bad. I only read his post in this thread and I don't see what was so jumping off the ship about those statements. If there is another thread he made that gives more detail please let me know.

[kwas676]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

lmao how the hell did this turn into EA and football. Any way I tought the demo wasn't that bad imo thought it would at least get a 7 or higher o well dont care.

[bkrich83]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

There is a choice in baseball called the show which many agree is much better than 2k. I know the PS3 is expensive and some may not want to purchase it for one game, but there is still a choice. This is much different than football where the only choice we have is Madden, which is (to use your words) UNPLAYABLE!

LOL, weak excuse. Again, 2k did the exact same thing. you just choose to make excuses for them. Hypocrisy at it's finest, and you again proved my point about 2k getting a pass.

[Eddie1967]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

I can't understand loyalty to any company that doesn't do what's best for consumers. When I purchase a game, I'm looking for what's the best game I will like that's on the market, not what company produced it. The worst part of this blind loyalty is it is so detrimental to us as consumers. If people didn't blindly purchase 2k baseball or Madden when they keep releasing crap, these exclusivity agreements would go away very quickly. Imagine if 2k9 sales feel 50% this year, when that license is up for renewal, they wouldn't be able to afford it, and MLB wouldn't want to give it to them. People need to wise up and buy games based on their quality, and not care who the hell makes it

Have you ever thought that some of those that purchase madden or 2k don't feel that it's crap. I'm not trying to be funny, I like 2k baseball, but I'm casual fan so to speak, and for many like myself what they release is enough to satisfy me from year to year. I get your point but I think your comparing what's posted in these forums to what the majority thinks and I don't believe that's true. I don't think it's blind loyalty , I just think a lot of people like 2k baseball and madden just like they are.

[bkrich83]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

What did BFJ say about the game that was so bad. I only read his post in this thread and I don't see what was so jumping off the ship about those statements. If there is another thread he made that gives more detail please let me know.

Seriously? Are your really this blind to what's going on?

This over ambitious project just falls flat on it's face. Plain & Simple. There's no if's, and or buts about it. This game is more unpolished than it is polished.

I have played the crap-out of this game since Friday Night & the reality is this game feels broken. Players morphing thru each other. Players sliding instead of walking.

Listen people the game is what it is...

An Unfinished, Unpolished 1st year game that unfortunately is not worth the price of admission. So I would warn everyone to go into your purchase with that mind-set, so you won't be so disappointed.

Also expect scores ranging 5-7 from various outlets. Not even a great new commentary & a refreshing new presentation can hide the problems the game has..

Carry-On

[Eddie1967]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

LOL, weak excuse. Again, 2k did the exact same thing. you just choose to make excuses for them. Hypocrisy at it's finest, and you again proved my point about 2k getting a pass.

But how is that the same. 2k did not kill baseball, we all still have a choice, what choice do we have in football? Not sure I'm understanding you.

[Heelfan71]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

What is frustrating to me is all this could of been avoided if they didn't take out some key sliders and let us turn IE off.

[miamimarlins1]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

Have you ever thought that some of those that purchase madden or 2k don't feel that it's crap. I'm not trying to be funny, I like 2k baseball, but I'm casual fan so to speak, and for many like myself what they release is enough to satisfy me from year to year. I get your point but I think your comparing what's posted in these forums to what the majority thinks and I don't believe that's true. I don't think it's blind loyalty , I just think a lot of people like 2k baseball and madden just like they are.

That's totally fine. If you're purchasing the game because you like it, then I have no gripes. For those that accept it for what it is, a arcade-like representation of baseball, then you can have fun with it. What pisses me off is when people and 2k claim it to be a sim-like representation of baseball. It is so far from that. I honestly believe this 2k baseball debate is really about PS3 and XBOX. XBOX owners feel like they have to like it and buy it because they have no other choice, and that's where the problem lies. The benefit to us as consumers is to get rid of these exclusivity agreements. Watch how much better madden and 2k get with competition

[bkrich83]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

But how is that the same. 2k did not kill baseball, we all still have a choice, what choice do we have in football? Not sure I'm understanding you.

If you have a PS3. It's still license exclusivity, it still killed MVP baseball.. If you are a 360 owner there is no choice. It's goal was exactly the same as the NFL license's goal was. Eliminate competition. And just like with football it was the consumer who paid the price. It's just blind loyalists like you seem to think it's ok for 2k to do it.

I can't believe the lengths some people go to protect their hypocrisy.

[Eddie1967]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

Seriously? Are your really this blind to what's going on?

I didn't see that post above before. Having read that, it's not enough for me to blast the game or bail out, I still have to play it myself to see how I feel. Some of us like to make up our own minds you know.

And I understand he may have been a loyal 2k fan but what does his thoughts on the game have to do with how YOU YOURSELF feel about the game without playing it. That's not being blind that's thinking for myself and making a decision on what I see and how I feel about something. I still have to see it, play it and judge for myself.

[bigfnjoe96]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

What is frustrating to me is all this could of been avoided if they didn't take out some key sliders and let us turn IE off.

This is so true... Right now the only thing that can get this game as close to sim as possible is a hardcore overhaul of the Player Tendencies/Ratings via the Living Roster Feature...

Right now I'm playing on PRO with some tweaks to the Hitting & Pitching Sliders & I'm getting some pretty decent results. Even got some players to take strikes & a got 2 SO looking.

[bkrich83]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

I didn't see that post above before. Having read that, it's not enough for me to blast the game or bail out, I still have to play it myself to see how I feel. Some of us like to make up our own minds you know.

And I understand he may have been a loyal 2k fan but what does his thoughts on the game have to do with how YOU YOURSELF feel about the game without playing it. That's not being blind that's thinking for myself and making a decision on what I see and how I feel about something. I still have to see it, play it and judge for myself.

I've played it. My thoughts are nearly identical to his. I just haven't put in the same amount of game time he has.

But I am sure you will find a way to defend it. Most blind loyalists do.