How come more of you don't use cursor hitting?

[stealyerface]

Re: How come more of you don't use cursor hitting?

Do different players have a different sized cursor based on their ratings?

syf

[silverandblack]

Re: How come more of you don't use cursor hitting?

Do different players have a different sized cursor based on their ratings?

syf

No. But that's what should happen, imo. the cursor should increase/decrease based on players ratings, pitch count, and handedness of the pitcher.

[Trevytrev11]

Re: How come more of you don't use cursor hitting?

No. But that's what should happen, imo. the cursor should increase/decrease based on players ratings, pitch count, and handedness of the pitcher.

Yep, doesn't make sense that Pujols has the same area of contact as Ryan Howard. His should be much larger due to the fact that he doesn't swing and miss or strike out nearly as often as Howard does. It should be harder to hit with Howard and it isn't.

At first I hoped that they kept the on screen icon the same for each player and that actually there was an invisable cursor around that, which changed based on the hitters ratings, but I went into batting practice with two very different hitters and realized this wasn't the case. A miss by a few inches with a good contact hitter results in a miss just like it does with a horrible contact hitter...ideally the better hitter would have more room for error.

[stealyerface]

Re: How come more of you don't use cursor hitting?

Trev, what pitch speed is an accurate representation of the Cursor based hitting/ timing? Or at least, what speed makes it fun, but rewarding if you get a hold of one? I love the idea of "just missing", because that is the way it is in real life. That tiny little spot is the difference between an absolute bomb, and a fly ball...

syf

[Trevytrev11]

Re: How come more of you don't use cursor hitting?

Trev, what pitch speed is an accurate representation of the Cursor based hitting/ timing? Or at least, what speed makes it fun, but rewarding if you get a hold of one? I love the idea of "just missing", because that is the way it is in real life. That tiny little spot is the difference between an absolute bomb, and a fly ball...

syf

I think I have it at 60 or 65. I started it a little lower and then moved it up as I became more comfortable with it. What I really like about it is it makes pitches that are tough to hit in real life, tough to hit in the game.

Though I am generally anti-batters eye, due to the fact I think it is an unrealistic tool, it kind of adds some balance to this system. Plus, it's stays pretty small, so you only reap a benefit a few times a game from it.

Typically, start my batters eye and cursor in the bottom 1/3 of the zone (most pitchers try to attack this zone). So this helps to keep contact numbers realistic and prevent an unrealistic amount of strike outs. I especially do this with power guys as it helps them get under the ball and hit some home runs.

However, when you face a guy who can throw some heat, I bring it closer to the middle. I find it's hard to catch up to fastball up in the zone from these guys with the stick starting at the bottom, but I find this realistic as these are tough pitches to hit unless you are sitting on them.

The bad thing about this system compared to a true zone hitting, is it makes it harder to take pitches because you have to follow both the ball and your target and commit a little soone than maybe you otherwise would. But you can always adjust the speed to help counter act this.

[Trevytrev11]

Re: How come more of you don't use cursor hitting?

Personally I think it's the best representation of true hitting. It is a true hand-eye coordination tool and I think it yields the most realistic hitting experience. Plus, it's a lot more challenging than simple zone hitting. So how come many of you are not using cursor hitting? Please explain, I'm interested.

I agree and it is my preferred system to use.

However, I believe lining up the cursor to the ball takes more hand eye coordination than actually hitting the ball.

Here is a test I've brought up before when it comes to cursor hitting:

Pick an icon somewhere on your computer screen and move your mouse to it as fast as you can. Chances are you will move it too far (or not far enough) initially and then quickly recover and move ito the icon.

Now do the same with your fingers (place it on an icon on your screen) as fast as you can. This time you will probably be much more exact.

I kind of relate this to hitting with cursor. It take a little more precision to line things up via the controller than it would if you were actually doing it.

The good thing though, is pitch speed can always be adjusted to to negate this and balance things out. A true zone or directional hitting system where you just press toward the direction of the pitch would be more effective for this, but then hits become more based on ratings in a zone than actual physics.

[stealyerface]

Re: How come more of you don't use cursor hitting?

So you use both the cursor hitting system and the Batter's Eye?? What Power slider are you using in order to get realistic results? I do kind of like the idea that coupled with the proper attention to where the ball hits the bat, along with a correct guess of where it is going, rewards you with a boost of power... Do you see the indicator light up in the zone when you have guessed right? I know it does this in batting practice, but within the game, that would really give you a nice advantage to sit on something and crush it, less you knew what pitch it was, but I believe it has to do with color as well...

syf

[Trevytrev11]

Re: How come more of you don't use cursor hitting?

So you use both the cursor hitting system and the Batter's Eye?? What Power slider are you using in order to get realistic results? I do kind of like the idea that coupled with the proper attention to where the ball hits the bat, along with a correct guess of where it is going, rewards you with a boost of power... Do you see the indicator light up in the zone when you have guessed right? I know it does this in batting practice, but within the game, that would really give you a nice advantage to sit on something and crush it, less you knew what pitch it was, but I believe it has to do with color as well...

syf

I'll have to check my sliders. I think I'm using Joes of SF's sliders (pre-patch)...I've been too lazy to update them since plus I've only played two games since the patch.

As far as the batters eye, I do use it when using the cursor, but honestly, it only helps me out (lights up and shows pitch location) maybe 2 or 3 times a game (maybe I'm just a bad guesser). I refuse to use it without cursor, because the system is already easy and simple enough..it's just timing. However, with cursor, I think you are handicapped a little more than a real hitter would be as you actually have to line the cursor up with theball, so it kind of balances things out. But to be honest, if I didn't use it, the resulst probably wouldn't be noticeably different.

[Padgoi]

Re: How come more of you don't use cursor hitting?

So you use both the cursor hitting system and the Batter's Eye?? What Power slider are you using in order to get realistic results? I do kind of like the idea that coupled with the proper attention to where the ball hits the bat, along with a correct guess of where it is going, rewards you with a boost of power... Do you see the indicator light up in the zone when you have guessed right? I know it does this in batting practice, but within the game, that would really give you a nice advantage to sit on something and crush it, less you knew what pitch it was, but I believe it has to do with color as well...

syf

I have cursor-hitting sliders posted in the sliders forum. Getting great results and so are a few others. Check them out.

[stealyerface]

Re: How come more of you don't use cursor hitting?

Thank you sir, I will head over there right now...

syf

[stealyerface]

Re: How come more of you don't use cursor hitting?

Well... I kind of relate this trying a Martini for the first time. You try it and you think, "This kind of sucks"... but then, after a few times, you realize what you had been missing.

Although the bat cursor is ugly, mishapen, annoying, and honestly, a huge distraction whereby it covers up the pitcher and his release if you leave it in the middle of the plate, it easily produces the most realitic amounts and awesome ball physics that the game has ever shown. And when you guess right, and take one out of the park, you know it was because YOU did it, not the random generator of hits and direction. I only had one homerun last night, an opposite field shot in Oakland with Tek, but I saw a few absolute rockets through the infield, and a lot more hit variety than I have ever seen.

I played two games and lost them both, but had a realistic amount of hits, and a lot more ground balls, which I like to see rather than all fly balls...

I need to put a few more games under my belt, as I strike out a lot, but it seems like when you are behind in the count, you just cover the majority of the plate with the cursor, and try to at least make some contact. When you get ahead int he count, you tend to look for a spot, and drill it if it gets there... *hmmm* Breaking balls are tough, because you really need to judge the speed, and often times it becomes a guessing game, and the swings that you guess wrong on are just plain ugly.

Something that has been an issue with my controller (or me) is that it does not recognize the straight up 6 o'clock to 12 o'clock motion as a swing. I have to pull down to 6 o'clock, and then sweep up the right side of the stick's motion, like throwing an uppercut in Fight Night. So, my troubles so far are trying to coordinate the aiming cursor thingy, and remembering to swing correctly, resulting in my swinging when the ball is already in the catcher's glove, and flailing about like an idiot...

A very interesting side note that if it was done on purpose, I tip my cap to this year's team at 2k. Remember MVP's "Variable Stuff" toggle whereby one day the pitcher might have his nastiest stuff, and the next outing be totally flat and ineffective? Well, last night I played two games with my new cursor batting challenge. Beckett started both games, as I forgot to change it in the stupid Play Now rotation issue, The first game in Fenway, he was throwing 94-96 with an occasional 97 if I got the Pitch Meter to the Max setting. He was throwing a 12-6 hook that was downright filthy, and with my camera settings mimicking the new NESN settings of straight behind the pitcher (the setting by the way is Pitching View 3,2,6) you could see how devastating Beck's stuff really was. And as a result, I struck out 11 A's in the game, in a losing effort however, 3-1.

Next game I go to Oakland, Beckett on the hill again, and he could not get a ball over 93mph even with the Max Pitch Effort light showing me a perfect gesture. His breaking ball was barely dropping off the table, and his two seamer had tno back-cut to it at all. As a result, the A's teed off on him, and I gave up one of most ridiculous bombs I have ever seen by Eric Chavez, only to be outdone by Giambi who went Upper Tank on me to right field. I lost the game 11-2.

So, if they indeed programmed the pitchers to "have it" one game and be totally flat in another start, I love it. That is a great way to accurately portray the way it goes sometimes, and now that I know it happens, I can tell right off the bat if the pop is there, or if I need to get the bullpen alerted that there will be an early hook on the way.

So, back to a few more games with the new hitting style, and thanks for turning me on to the new Martini..

syf

[Padgoi]

Re: How come more of you don't use cursor hitting?

Glad you're enjoying it. It's nice to know there are still some open-minded people roaming our planet.

Did you try my sliders with your new project? Or were you using default?

[silverandblack]

Re: How come more of you don't use cursor hitting?

I played two games and lost them both, but had a realistic amount of hits, and a lot more ground balls, which I like to see rather than all fly balls...

I need to put a few more games under my belt, as I strike out a lot, but it seems like when you are behind in the count, you just cover the majority of the plate with the cursor, and try to at least make some contact. When you get ahead int he count, you tend to look for a spot, and drill it if it gets there... *hmmm* Breaking balls are tough, because you really need to judge the speed, and often times it becomes a guessing game, and the swings that you guess wrong on are just plain ugly.

Something that has been an issue with my controller (or me) is that it does not recognize the straight up 6 o'clock to 12 o'clock motion as a swing. I have to pull down to 6 o'clock, and then sweep up the right side of the stick's motion, like throwing an uppercut in Fight Night. So, my troubles so far are trying to coordinate the aiming cursor thingy, and remembering to swing correctly, resulting in my swinging when the ball is already in the catcher's glove, and flailing about like an idiot... syf

Yup, definitely agree with the groundball/flyball ratio. Many more ground balls with the cursor. Haha, i was just the opposite though. I have been strictly cursor hitting since i've had the game, and was wishing for more fly balls!!!

Seems you do the same as i when hitting. Pick a spot when you are ahead in the count, and when behind, put the cursor across the whole strike zone (east/west) and just try to put the ball in play. I strike out a lot, as well. I have a tough time juding low balls and strikes. Don't know when to lay off or when to swing at those.

You could alleviate the controller issue when swinging to setting the controls to classic. then you'd be still using the left analog to move the cursor, but you'd only have to hit A to swing and hit the ball. I love it this way, and still very rewarding.

[stealyerface]

Re: How come more of you don't use cursor hitting?

I use a combo platter of BFJ's and Guru, but seeing that yours and BFG's were kind of a composite, most of my stuff matched up to yours anyway. I totally used your User Batting sliders, and that was what I was really changing in my use of the new hitting system, but I have a great slider set that I have been constantly tweaking since day one.

So, my sliders are now a combo of BFJ's-Guru-and your set for the cursor hitting portion. I typically like to play a 10 game set with a revamped slider tweak for reasons explained above. If Beckett or Lester has their game on, and dominates a team, I had a tendency to strat messing with sliders because the game was to tilted in my favor. Then of course, the next game I go out there, the CPU has their tweaks in place, and Penny cannot find his pitches, and I lose 14-1... so, I try and roll throught a ten game set without doing much adjustment, and then take notes with regards to what needs to be done.

So, I have two under my belt, and will try and sneak in a few more after the wife gets done with Greys Anatomy tonight, and will report any new findings or curiosities that I discover.

thanks for the help.

syf

[stealyerface]

Re: How come more of you don't use cursor hitting?

You could alleviate the controller issue when swinging to setting the controls to classic. then you'd be still using the left analog to move the cursor, but you'd only have to hit A to swing and hit the ball. I love it this way, and still very rewarding.

Hey now! Did not realize that I could combo-up the Classic with the Cursor hitting. I shall give that a whirl this evening.

thanks,
syf