Trade Value Scale

[RogueHominid]

I'd like to use this thread to create some sort of general community trade value scale that reflects a sim approach so that folks like myself who aren't exactly sure about relative value and don't want to fleece the CPU can consult it as a base.

I want to develop a scale that translates a given player's value three ways. First, what would a current MLB player be worth in an exchange for established MLB veterans? Second, what would that same player be worth in exchange for younger prospects? Third, what would that player be worth in exchange for a combination of prospects and veterans?

Obviously there won't be 100% consensus, but I think reasonable minds who are familiar with actual trade practices can come up with something decent.

For the purposes of discussion, let's table the issue of who is "untouchable" in real life and just discuss value in the game since a number of players consider their franchises their own discreet worlds.

For example, we can discuss the following scenario:

Troy Tulowitzki: 5-stars, 95 OVR, 26 YRS

• 2 5-star prospects below 25 YRS + 1 3-star prospect

• 2 veterans b/w 25-29 YRS and 80-85 OVR + 1 veteran b/w 25-29 and 70-80 OVR

• 1 5-star prospect below 25 YRS + 2 veterans under 30 b/w 75-85 OVR

From the superstar level we could discuss a tier for players who are young and talented but not superstars, for declining but useful veterans, and whatever other categories seem most useful.

Thoughts? Please be very specific (and constructive) in response .

[1andonly]

Re: Trade Value Scale

Very Nice Post I agree. Heres my scale.

Untouchables - These guys you will only get if you give up 2 guys of = value. Hence why their untouchable.

Example

Troy Tulowitski

2 players under age 26 both 90+ and a 5* prospect 65+ under age 24.

I will go make a scale in Microsoft Excel and upload for you all. It will have a list of players going from these Tiers + many other sorting values for you to get a realistic trade.

- Untouchables: Example Jose Bautista
- Tier 1: Example Prince Fielder
- Tier 2: Example Ian Kinsler
- Tier 3: Example Curtis Granderson
- Tier 4: Example Yunel Escobar

etc etc. I will have the whole scale out later today.

[RogueHominid]

Re: Trade Value Scale

Very Nice Post I agree. Heres my scale.

Untouchables - These guys you will only get if you give up 2 guys of = value. Hence why their untouchable.

Example

Troy Tulowitski

2 players under age 26 both 90+ and a 5* prospect 65+ under age 24.

I will go make a scale in Microsoft Excel and upload for you all. It will have a list of players going from these Tiers + many other sorting values for you to get a realistic trade.

- Untouchables: Example Jose Bautista
- Tier 1: Example Prince Fielder
- Tier 2: Example Ian Kinsler
- Tier 3: Example Curtis Granderson
- Tier 4: Example Yunel Escobar

etc etc. I will have the whole scale out later today.

I'll look forward to your response, but I asked specifically in the post above to avoid discussing the issue of untouchables. Let's proceed as though nobody is untouchable and just discuss value in the game. The issue of who could and couldn't be moved is too mess.

If you move away from the idea of the untouchable, you might find that a guy like Troy could move for two younger players in the mid 80s or something like that, plus a prospect, idk.

Looking forward to your response!

[1andonly]

Re: Trade Value Scale

I'll look forward to your response, but I asked specifically in the post above to avoid discussing the issue of untouchables. Let's proceed as though nobody is untouchable and just discuss value in the game. The issue of who could and couldn't be moved is too mess.

If you move away from the idea of the untouchable, you might find that a guy like Troy could move for two younger players in the mid 80s or something like that, plus a prospect, idk.

Looking forward to your response!

Ok, i'll make ti so they can be traded, but you gotta give up something big.

[SynShadowzz]

Re: Trade Value Scale

I really like the idea.

If I come up with any useful ideas, I'll be sure to post them here.

[jack1535]

Re: Trade Value Scale

Very Nice Post I agree. Heres my scale.

Untouchables - These guys you will only get if you give up 2 guys of = value. Hence why their untouchable.

Example

Troy Tulowitski

2 players under age 26 both 90+ and a 5* prospect 65+ under age 24.

I will go make a scale in Microsoft Excel and upload for you all. It will have a list of players going from these Tiers + many other sorting values for you to get a realistic trade.

- Untouchables: Example Jose Bautista
- Tier 1: Example Prince Fielder
- Tier 2: Example Ian Kinsler
- Tier 3: Example Curtis Granderson
- Tier 4: Example Yunel Escobar

etc etc. I will have the whole scale out later today.

Are you going to take how many years they have left on their contract into account.

[RogueHominid]

Re: Trade Value Scale

Are you going to take how many years they have left on their contract into account.

This is a smart point, as teams (especially lower budged ones) make trade value decisions with contract length in mind.

[Sabo's corked Bat]

Re: Trade Value Scale

There should definitely be a lot of untouchables. Nobodies going to move Josh Johnson anytime soon, even for equal players. then again, some teams will make terrible trades that are realistic. Like when my Reds traded away Frank Robinson for nothing.

[1andonly]

Re: Trade Value Scale

Thanks again to Trojan Man for the idea.

The only untouchables I have are Halladay, Wainwright, Lincecum, Josh Johnson, Pujols, Cabrera and Hamilton. Although there are others, I think people wanted some elite players that they would be able to trade for like Tulo or Votto. Anything can be changed though.

Keeps all the discussion in this thread, including Ideas.

Here is a new link for whoever couldn't open it. This is a view one from Google Docs. https://spreadsheets.google.com/spre...pOow&hl=en_US#

Here is a download link from Microsoft Works Spreadsheet Here is the download link. http://www.sendspace.com/file/0c4zgh The Download link is on the bottom of the page when you click on this link.

This is a Trade Value Scale. This will give you the most realistic SIM results when trading. The trade logic in this game is broken, so this will help you make realistic trades. You will need the trade overrule option on to make some of these trades. Don't worry though all the trades are equal. Good Luck!

Anything that anyone thinks we should change feel free to bring it up.

[jack1535]

Re: Trade Value Scale

Is MLB only or does it include prospects? If it includes prospects I think Stratsburg and Bryce Harper should be added to the untouchables.

[1andonly]

Re: Trade Value Scale

Is MLB only or does it include prospects? If it includes prospects I think Stratsburg and Bryce Harper should be added to the untouchables.

I used the latest MLB 2k roster. So no Bryce Harper, but yes Strasburg. I agree Strasburg should be an untouchable, but people want to trade for him so I left him out of he untouchables. I think Trojan Man wanted a list of who you can acquire for what, not a list of untouchables. If anyone feels a certain player is untouchable you don't need to trade for him. I just listed players in the Tiers if they were on the trade market.

This list is for players who if they weren't untouchables, how they would look on the trade Market. So Strasburg is a Tier 1 player along with Heyward, and Stanton.

Here the scale i'm currently basing it off.

Untouchables Value - 15
Tier 1 Value - 10
Tier 2 Value - 5
Tier 3 Value - 3
Tier 4 Value - 2

This works by adding the value of the Tier a player is in when trading. So if you wanted a Tier 1 player, you would have to trade players in other Tiers thats value adds up to Tier 1 Value

Example Jon Lester and Carl Crawford are both Tier 2 players, so if you wanted a Tier 1 player like Votto, Tulowitzki, or Robinson Cano, you would have to give up Crawford and Lester.

This will change based on how you guys feel.

Anything that anyone thinks we should change feel free to bring it up.

[Wshadow206]

Re: Trade Value Scale

How is Felix Hernandez not Untouchable?? I live in Seattle and I know he isnt going anywhere....were u smoking crack when u made this.....And im pretty sure pineda is untouchable as well hes so young. and he dominates who would trade that for anything??

[jack1535]

How is Felix Hernandez not Untouchable?? I live in Seattle and I know he isnt going anywhere....were u smoking crack when u made this.....And im pretty sure pineda is untouchable as well hes so young. and he dominates who would trade that for anything??

Felix was almost traded to Boston last year, so what are you smoking?

[1andonly]

Re: Trade Value Scale

How is Felix Hernandez not Untouchable?? I live in Seattle and I know he isnt going anywhere....were u smoking crack when u made this.....And im pretty sure pineda is untouchable as well hes so young. and he dominates who would trade that for anything??

Um actually Felix could easy go to the Yankees and it has been something discussed over the past year or so.

Second read what I said before you make a fool of yourself. I said this list is mainly for what the player would be if they were on the trade market. I only included a very small list of untouchables. The point of the list wasn't to show that 90% of the players that people were interested in are untouchables.

[Wshadow206]

Re: Trade Value Scale

Im smokin chronic but i still think i know my team better than u. and no he didnt almost get traded to boston last yr and he sure is hell isnt going to New York....its all media on tha east coast when someone on the westside or especially in seattle is really good the yankees and sox get jealous and try to offer the farm for the player, more NY than anybody else and they talk about it constantly....its not gonna happen, never will. ur media over there can spread rumors all they want but I think Jack Z said it best saying. "Were not looking to move Felix Hernandez" its okay to be not informed on a player just make sure u got **** right before u spend a ton of time writing and posting a google docs chart. ha