Trade Value Scale

[1andonly]

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Yeah, but Colby is in his arbitration years ( I think he signed a one year deal?) though and Bruce just signed a 6 year contract with an option in 2017. Close player wise though, D nod goes to Bruce.

Ya it just depends on what you want.

Rasmus is faster and a better contact hitter.
Bruce is a better defender and a better power hitter.

Both the same age, potential, just different styles. I decided to take some speed for when i'm at Petco. I edited my post to change Quentin for Chris Young.

I originally had Bruce and Quentin but started over and grabbed Young and Rasmus for some better speed and contact.

[Wshadow206]

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If were talking about right now the present day, who are the untouchable players in the big leagues. Felix obviously goes there....I mean do i need to go look for an article that proves my point, I know Jack Z has said Felix is not on the market......im just saying in the present day hes untouchable. U dont understand the city and how they react to this player. He's The King. The Seattle Front Office, an this a fact, that the mariners really take pride and r proud of Felix, because he was brought up in our farm system. people within the organization have voiced that felix is staying. so if u wanna keep telling me otherwise then i guess ill have to go look for the article. I dont even care anymore, cuz i know im right, ill just make that change on ur little chart no biggie. ha

[Wshadow206]

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if were talking about players an if they COULD be traded u might as well take down all those untouchable players cuz anybody COULD get traded.......

[1andonly]

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I thought you said you were done arguing? Yet here you are again.

You are an idiot if you think Felix couldn't be traded. You realize how much they could get for him? He has already been discussed in trades, it's been a topic before, and it will continue to be one. When the trade deadline is coming up, deals might start coming around for Felix and the Mariners could easily take it. There have been many players that have been brought up in a teams farm system that have been traded, there have been cases where the face of the franchise is traded, not just in baseball, but in every sport. Don't say the Mariners wont trade him. They already did it with Cliff Lee last year. Lee is also a Cy Young winner and a top 5 pitcher behind Felix. SO they have done it before. Another case is Randy Johnson, have you heard of that name before?The Mariners also traded him away. The Mariners also traded Ken Griffy Jr, as well as A-Rod. So don't say the Mariners wouldn't do that. It makes perfect sense for them to ship of Felix for a hand full of elite prospects, and there are teams willing to do that. So Felix being traded is certainly on the table.

If you would really want a list of all the untouchables I posted one. I don't think anyone on here wants a list of 100+ people that they can't trade for, what purpose what that serve?

If you are going to respond again, please respond to the bold. If you want to continue to argue about Felix, then you clearly can't read, maybe thats part of being in middle school, I don't know.

[Wshadow206]

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wow, im not even gonna read that long *** essay....and nope im not arguing just stating the case for felix and telling yall that if u want me to go find the article yes or no i can do that.

[Sabo's corked Bat]

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Do current contracts figure into your rating scale?

[1andonly]

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wow, im not even gonna read that long *** essay....and nope im not arguing just stating the case for felix and telling yall that if u want me to go find the article yes or no i can do that.

Lol in other words, you read it and don't have a comeback, GG. You already have read posts in this tread that are just as long so nice attempt to lie because you know your wrong. When your ready to admit you were wrong for coming into this thread and making yourself look like an idiot I will accept an apology.

[1andonly]

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Do current contracts figure into your rating scale?

Na not yet.

[Sabo's corked Bat]

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Na not yet.

Arbitration years should be the biggest factor, contract wise. Maybe drop a point if they are in one and are not essential/untouchable, or close to.

[RogueHominid]

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Please disregard the guy who wants to bring up the issue of untouchable players. I specifically asked that we not discuss this issue because it's inevitably messy and will just lead to unproductive discussion.

This scale is an immensely helpful starting place. If I want to get a guy like Teixiera, I could see having to part with Travis Hafner and Randy Wolf, for example.

The next couple of moves to refine this could be:
1) Have guys pick out some potential combinations from this thread and discuss how close to believable they are.
2) Have guys review some recent real-life trades and see if they correspond loosely to the value system 1andonly has created.

I will do some research on #2. Perhaps others of you with more of an eye for realism in trades can work on #1 and post your polite discussion here in the thread.

As those of us who wish to do so do research on real trades, we should also note and discuss here what kinds of prospects get thrown into deals for guys in each of the tiers 1andonly has set up. If actual members of those tiered lists don't apply, then we can think of recent deals where 4 and 5 star MLB vets have been dealt and note how many top and mid level prospects were included.

[Wshadow206]

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I literally read the first line and then nothing else after that.....and u can take that apology and stick it up ur *** ha. ill just change it on my end thanks for the time consuming project u did, cuz i wouldnt have done a damn thing, thats like extra geek work that only geeks consume there lives over ha but thanks for the free info ill make the appropriate changes as i see fit!

[1andonly]

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I literally read the first line and then nothing else after that.....and u can take that apology and stick it up ur *** ha. ill just change it on my end thanks for the time consuming project u did, cuz i wouldnt have done a damn thing, thats like extra geek work that only geeks consume there lives over ha but thanks for the free info ill make the appropriate changes as i see fit!

Your attempts to make me mad are pretty sad. At least use some creativity. Your welcome for my work. It's funny you say "geek work" and only "geeks consume their time over" because I actually spent less time making that list than you arguing over and still being wrong about Felix. So if me spending less time is "life consuming" I can't imagine what you call yourself for "consuming more of your life than mine" obsessing about how unrealistic a Felix Hernandez trade is. You must be a very lonely middle schooler.

Thats the good thing about the list, if you feel there are changes needed you can change everything how you like it to fit your needs. I'm glad I could help.

This is my last post regarding this issue because Trojan Man has asked to drop the subject.

Best of luck to you.

[RogueHominid]

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Please remember all that there is a "report post" icon next to every post. It has an exclamation point next to it. These reports get sent right to mods, who review posts for violations of the OS TOS. This guy has violated the TOS big time and has been reported.

I've been meaning to add more to the thread in response to 1andoly's amazing work. I'll do so shortly.

[1andonly]

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I'll get some discussion going. Basically reply to my post with a YES or No for each question, and if NO, say who gets the better deal and why. Keep in mind how some players are elite at a weak position which sky rockets their value like Cano, Tulo, Hanley, and POsey.

Realistic Trade? Yes or No.

1) Robinson Cano for Adrian Gonzalez and Crawford.

2.) Justin Verlander for Roy Oswalt and Ryan Howard.

3.) Troy Tulowitzki for Mark Teixeira and CC Sabathia.

4.) Buster Posey for Adrian Beltre and Ian Kinsler.

5.) Felix Hernandez for Prince Fielder and Zack Greinke.

6.) Stephen Strasburg for Chase Utley and Ryan Howard.

7.) Joe Mauer for Jeremy Hellickson and David Price.

8.) Joey Votto for Tommy Hanson and Jason Heyward.

9.) Heath Bell for Chase Utley and Domonic Brown.

10.) Carlos Gonzalez and Troy Tulowitzki for Mark Teixeria, CC Sabathia, A-Rod, and Rafael Soriano.

[Romain El 82]

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I'll get some discussion going. Basically reply to my post with a YES or No for each question, and if NO, say who gets the better deal and why. Keep in mind how some players are elite at a weak position which sky rockets their value like Cano, Tulo, Hanley, and POsey.

Realistic Trade? Yes or No.

1) Robinson Cano for Adrian Gonzalez and Crawford.

2.) Justin Verlander for Roy Oswalt and Ryan Howard.

3.) Troy Tulowitzki for Mark Teixeira and CC Sabathia.

4.) Buster Posey for Adrian Beltre and Ian Kinsler.

5.) Felix Hernandez for Prince Fielder and Zack Greinke.

6.) Stephen Strasburg for Chase Utley and Ryan Howard.

7.) Joe Mauer for Jeremy Hellickson and David Price.

8.) Joey Votto for Tommy Hanson and Jason Heyward.

9.) Heath Bell for Chase Utley and Domonic Brown.

10.) Carlos Gonzalez and Troy Tulowitzki for Mark Teixeria, CC Sabathia, A-Rod, and Rafael Soriano.

I'm pretty new to following baseball seriously but there's no way that Justin Verlander gets traded, especially in the deal you have proposed. The Tigers have Cabrera at 1B so they don't need Howard, and Oswalt would be no more than a 2 pitcher for them.

I'm not a Tigers fan btw (Pirates fan actually), but I live in Michigan so I know a decent amount on the Tigers.