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  • Behindshadows
    CEO - BSG Network
    • Nov 2004
    • 8055

    #16
    Re: Decline in Quality of MLB 2k Baseball

    Dang I slept through most of these post, spent all night reuploading the video in it's true larger HD file...Youtube compressed the death out of the last one. I posted the new on in the blog...

    But I agree gameplay wasn't up to par with the newer titles! Graphics were better, and say what you will about the baggy Jerseys, as I recall the pants on big papi were just like that in that year.

    The wind effects were overblown, no pun intended! But it was none the less an incredible feature that no other company has pulled off. Not to mention if you zoom in on a replay it had real grass, the gloves and jerseys are truly stitched, pads and accessories look 3D's and not 2D pasted.

    From a visual stand point they should have moved forward from this game, not 5 years backwards.

    I have no issues with the gameplay tweaks from 2k7 to 2k12 it plays better each year.

    But say what you will about body proportions too, the way the guys were designed they ran better and not choppy, outfield animations and controls were great in 2k7. Some A.I. logic in outfield was broken, but patched. But it still played good.

    And they didn't have as many options as today, so that isn't comparable..it was 2k7 and 5 years ago. That's why I make most of complaints and directions towards visuals, it's the biggest rewind and decline...that should be surpassing everything on the market at this point..

    Oh! And BTW!!!

    In the new video I just uploaded notice other things in the details, colors were correct...Red is Red, Blue is Blue...shades and tones are correct, etc.

    Look at the skin textures and look at all the faces with real eyes, hair and so forth. Not the cartoon zombie stuff we have with 2k11 and 2k12.
    Last edited by Behindshadows; 03-14-2012, 01:52 PM.

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    • foofighter2455
      Rookie
      • Mar 2006
      • 420

      #17
      Re: Decline in Quality of MLB 2k Baseball

      Originally posted by Yeats
      The cloth physics, while impressive, were in fact completely overdone. Between unis flapping like flags in the wind to the 2XXXX baggy pants on most players, the game looked laughable and ridiculous. Meanwhile the rest of the game programming got zero upgrades and attention.

      Not the case. The game from a gameplay and AI (and lack of bugs and glitches) perspective plays 2-3 times better than those abominations 2K released from 2K5 to 2K10. Hitting in 2K baseball up until last year consisted of nothing but fly balls and screaming line drives. Wasn't even close to how real baseball plays. They've finally started to get that right beginning with 2K11.
      Just to point out, players in that period of time were wearing ridiculously baggy pants, more so than in recent history since the days of everyone wearing their pants up. They made rules about pants being worn that way and is a main reason why the pajama look went out. 2K actually represented unis more realistically than they have in the subsequent 4 games.

      Everything else you said is perfectly reasonable as the wind effect was cool but overdone and the game HAS advanced to where it should have been gameplay-wise. I am thrilled to see a chopper in the infield, pop fly to short, or a jam shot over the 1st baseman but still don't see enough.

      I will call this game progress and am bummed that progress was all to probably end after this year's game if 2K bails on MLB.
      PSN : TALLERthanyou24

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      • Plache
        Banned
        • Nov 2007
        • 128

        #18
        Re: Decline in Quality of MLB 2k Baseball

        Originally posted by Behindshadows
        I wanted to share a blog I just created of decline in 2k baseball!

        We can all agree or disagree that 2k7 was the last great 2k baseball game. I wanted to share my thoughts along with a video recorded today.

        watch in 720p and really appreciate the details and leave your honest thought...

        DECLINE IN 2k BASEBALL BLOG
        Different developers is the easy answer.....a yearly loss of $ on the game is another answer. They're not going to throw a ton of money at a game that they get murdered on.

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        • Behindshadows
          CEO - BSG Network
          • Nov 2004
          • 8055

          #19
          Re: Decline in Quality of MLB 2k Baseball

          Originally posted by Plache
          Different developers is the easy answer.....a yearly loss of $ on the game is another answer. They're not going to throw a ton of money at a game that they get murdered on.
          That doesn't make any sense, it's been 5 years! And they spent a lot of money on the license. 360 has proven time over time that it can produce better graphics than PS3. 2k baseball is on both consoles and yet another title beats it every year in the art department.

          This is a discussion of why these guys feel like gameplay is the only thing that matters. When games are made it's about all aspects, presentation, gameplay, features, graphics and so forth.

          2k8, 2k9,2k10, 2k11 and 2k12 - All look horrible compared to 2k7. Agreed they got better in the controls and some of the better outfielding, ball physics and so forth.

          But visuals went in the drain! Even on PC everything had to be altered / modded to look better...this shouldn't be the case, yet it is....

          At this stage, this series should be insane in the art department....

          Look at these images taken a long time ago...by flamingschmoes2

          2k7 all in game images...added to 1st Post!!
          Last edited by Behindshadows; 03-14-2012, 07:48 PM.

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          • MizzouRah
            All Star
            • Jul 2002
            • 8552

            #20
            Re: Decline in Quality of MLB 2k Baseball

            Remember those flapping jerseys in a windy game?

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            • PVarck31
              Moderator
              • Jan 2003
              • 16869

              #21
              Re: Decline in Quality of MLB 2k Baseball

              Those are some amazing graphics. Better than where they are now.

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              • Behindshadows
                CEO - BSG Network
                • Nov 2004
                • 8055

                #22
                Re: Decline in Quality of MLB 2k Baseball

                Originally posted by PVarck31
                Those are some amazing graphics. Better than where they are now.
                Thank you someone who is appreciating what I'm trying to get at....I'll move the images to the main page...

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                • yaeger
                  Rookie
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 229

                  #23
                  Re: Decline in Quality of MLB 2k Baseball

                  Yes, the graphics are worse than they were in 2k7, but graphics aren't everything. I think 2k12 is a great playing bseball game and is a lot of fun to play. The Show has beautiful graphics, but is boring to play. The pitching mechanics are so much better in 2k12. I'll take great gameplay out of a game rather than the game looking good any day of the week.

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                  • tonadom
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2012
                    • 467

                    #24
                    Re: Decline in Quality of MLB 2k Baseball

                    Originally posted by yaeger
                    Yes, the graphics are worse than they were in 2k7, but graphics aren't everything. I think 2k12 is a great playing bseball game and is a lot of fun to play. The Show has beautiful graphics, but is boring to play. The pitching mechanics are so much better in 2k12. I'll take great gameplay out of a game rather than the game looking good any day of the week.
                    Since this thread is about MLB 2K, I'll take that opinion as a cheap shot.

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                    • bigfnjoe96
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Feb 2004
                      • 11410

                      #25
                      Re: Decline in Quality of MLB 2k Baseball

                      Originally posted by PVarck31
                      Those are some amazing graphics. Better than where they are now.
                      Ya think?

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                      • tonadom
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2012
                        • 467

                        #26
                        Re: Decline in Quality of MLB 2k Baseball

                        Originally posted by bigfnjoe96
                        Ya think?

                        Stylistically, the graphics in MLB 2K7 are more accurate to real life than MLB 2K9, 10, 11 and 12.

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                        • bigfnjoe96
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Feb 2004
                          • 11410

                          #27
                          Re: Decline in Quality of MLB 2k Baseball

                          Originally posted by tonadom
                          Stylistically, the graphics in MLB 2K7 are more accurate to real life than MLB 2K9, 10, 11 and 12.
                          Exactly what do you mean? Color, Player Models

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                          • Behindshadows
                            CEO - BSG Network
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 8055

                            #28
                            Re: Decline in Quality of MLB 2k Baseball

                            Originally posted by bigfnjoe96
                            Ya think?

                            yeah!!!

                            MLB 2k7



                            and a small for anyone avatar...

                            Last edited by Behindshadows; 03-14-2012, 10:03 PM.

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                            • PVarck31
                              Moderator
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 16869

                              #29
                              Re: Decline in Quality of MLB 2k Baseball

                              Originally posted by bigfnjoe96
                              Ya think?
                              Why yes I do.

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                              • Charles Hustle
                                Rookie
                                • Feb 2012
                                • 58

                                #30
                                Re: Decline in Quality of MLB 2k Baseball

                                Well, the series has neither progressed or regressed. There have only been a handful of acceptable 2K baseball games. 2K3, 2K7, and the consecutive 2K10-11. Graphics wise, player models were better overall in the past though.

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