Well EA has one hell of a online plan for the PS2. EA actually spends time on the online part of their game. I would think 90% of the online players would rather use updated rosters online so why not do it? The game gets old fast but Sega doesn't care because they already got their money. Look at ESPN Basketball why would i play that game online when NONE of the teams have the right roster? Don't worry about how much money EA made of online or how bad Inside Pitch did with online play just focus on making your game the best it can be and be willing to take a loss to make a gain. Scared money don't make money so play it safe and have no job tomorrow.
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Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!
Well EA has one hell of a online plan for the PS2. EA actually spends time on the online part of their game. I would think 90% of the online players would rather use updated rosters online so why not do it? The game gets old fast but Sega doesn't care because they already got their money. Look at ESPN Basketball why would i play that game online when NONE of the teams have the right roster? Don't worry about how much money EA made of online or how bad Inside Pitch did with online play just focus on making your game the best it can be and be willing to take a loss to make a gain. Scared money don't make money so play it safe and have no job tomorrow. -
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I'll look into what we can do with the Xbox Live update thing, although that would take away the ability for people to play with the original rosters, which some people may not like.
Inside Pitch was dead last in sales, and I wasn't even taking it into consideration. It was sort of a dead duck that MS threw out there because they got tired of spending money on it.
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I'd wager that those wanting the original rosters only would be the minority.
Anyway, I know I'm probably not going to change anybody's mind with this, but I have to at least say what I feel. Sports games have always been my favorite genre of games, ever since I was a little kid playing stupid RealSports baseball on my Atari 2600. And every year, even as a kid, I always managed to get my hands on the newest baseball game(s). I dig football and hockey and basketball, but baseball is, and always has been, my favorite video sports game. And every year that purchase was made with the hope that THIS time, the computer would be a worthy opponent. Bugs came and went, graphics steadily progressed well beyond what I ever thought I'd see, but the one thorn was always AI. Every year there was always something criminally STUPID that the computer would do, and it would ruin the game, because you could always then go to that well of stupidity if you needed to for the win.
Online play comes, and with one fell swoop, that's all gone. Now we get to play against other human minds, whenever we want. No more stupid mistakes and predictable behavior. And you don't have to worry anymore about whether or not friends will come over, or what time of day/night it is. You sit down, and you play, and it's like the dude is on the couch next to you. To me, this is the great leap I've been waiting for. I don't care about trade AI, and I don't care about multi-season franchises. The fact that I can sit down, and have an intelligent game against another person who may be across town, or on the other side of the freaking planet, trumps all other advances. High Heat 2002 was far from the prettiest game, but I logged so many hours playing that game online it ain't even funny. It took over 20 years, but my personal baseball nirvana has finally arrived.
Personally, I'm astonished that the supposed vast majority of other gamers hold this in such low regard. It just doesn't make sense. But at any rate, I would be willing to personally guarantee that it won't be that way forever. The growth numbers from XBox Live alone since its launch show that online gaming is going to get real, real big.
So the way I see it, you might as well start catering to us now. The more innovative you are now, the more rewards you'll reap later, like MS is doing with XBox Live, when many people laughed at it in the months before the console's debut.
I dunno. Look, all I know is, ARod's on the fricking Yankees and Maddux is coming to the Cubs, and if these two blovkbuster moves can't be enjoyed online, well that's just gonna suck. I'm sure you guys have the ability to work something out with a patch, so why not just do it?
You guys have been earning my money steadily since NFL2K1 came to Dreamcast (cuz it was online!), over EA. Sega and VC sports games seemed to be to be the ones trying to innovate, while EA just cashed in and did what they had to do. In some ways, I feel like it is now VC that's getting complacent, and EA's the one with all the innovation. I don't want to go back to EA. Don't go giving me a reason to. I like VC better.
Bah, enough hot air. Online is the future. Treat it as such.
In the meantime, we'll settle for updated rosters playable online.im on ur pitch tacklin ur d00dz
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FatPitcher said:
I'll look into what we can do with the Xbox Live update thing, although that would take away the ability for people to play with the original rosters, which some people may not like.
Inside Pitch was dead last in sales, and I wasn't even taking it into consideration. It was sort of a dead duck that MS threw out there because they got tired of spending money on it.
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I'd wager that those wanting the original rosters only would be the minority.
Anyway, I know I'm probably not going to change anybody's mind with this, but I have to at least say what I feel. Sports games have always been my favorite genre of games, ever since I was a little kid playing stupid RealSports baseball on my Atari 2600. And every year, even as a kid, I always managed to get my hands on the newest baseball game(s). I dig football and hockey and basketball, but baseball is, and always has been, my favorite video sports game. And every year that purchase was made with the hope that THIS time, the computer would be a worthy opponent. Bugs came and went, graphics steadily progressed well beyond what I ever thought I'd see, but the one thorn was always AI. Every year there was always something criminally STUPID that the computer would do, and it would ruin the game, because you could always then go to that well of stupidity if you needed to for the win.
Online play comes, and with one fell swoop, that's all gone. Now we get to play against other human minds, whenever we want. No more stupid mistakes and predictable behavior. And you don't have to worry anymore about whether or not friends will come over, or what time of day/night it is. You sit down, and you play, and it's like the dude is on the couch next to you. To me, this is the great leap I've been waiting for. I don't care about trade AI, and I don't care about multi-season franchises. The fact that I can sit down, and have an intelligent game against another person who may be across town, or on the other side of the freaking planet, trumps all other advances. High Heat 2002 was far from the prettiest game, but I logged so many hours playing that game online it ain't even funny. It took over 20 years, but my personal baseball nirvana has finally arrived.
Personally, I'm astonished that the supposed vast majority of other gamers hold this in such low regard. It just doesn't make sense. But at any rate, I would be willing to personally guarantee that it won't be that way forever. The growth numbers from XBox Live alone since its launch show that online gaming is going to get real, real big.
So the way I see it, you might as well start catering to us now. The more innovative you are now, the more rewards you'll reap later, like MS is doing with XBox Live, when many people laughed at it in the months before the console's debut.
I dunno. Look, all I know is, ARod's on the fricking Yankees and Maddux is coming to the Cubs, and if these two blovkbuster moves can't be enjoyed online, well that's just gonna suck. I'm sure you guys have the ability to work something out with a patch, so why not just do it?
You guys have been earning my money steadily since NFL2K1 came to Dreamcast (cuz it was online!), over EA. Sega and VC sports games seemed to be to be the ones trying to innovate, while EA just cashed in and did what they had to do. In some ways, I feel like it is now VC that's getting complacent, and EA's the one with all the innovation. I don't want to go back to EA. Don't go giving me a reason to. I like VC better.
Bah, enough hot air. Online is the future. Treat it as such.
In the meantime, we'll settle for updated rosters playable online.im on ur pitch tacklin ur d00dz
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Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!
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FatPitcher said:
I'll look into what we can do with the Xbox Live update thing, although that would take away the ability for people to play with the original rosters, which some people may not like.
Inside Pitch was dead last in sales, and I wasn't even taking it into consideration. It was sort of a dead duck that MS threw out there because they got tired of spending money on it.
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I'd wager that those wanting the original rosters only would be the minority.
Anyway, I know I'm probably not going to change anybody's mind with this, but I have to at least say what I feel. Sports games have always been my favorite genre of games, ever since I was a little kid playing stupid RealSports baseball on my Atari 2600. And every year, even as a kid, I always managed to get my hands on the newest baseball game(s). I dig football and hockey and basketball, but baseball is, and always has been, my favorite video sports game. And every year that purchase was made with the hope that THIS time, the computer would be a worthy opponent. Bugs came and went, graphics steadily progressed well beyond what I ever thought I'd see, but the one thorn was always AI. Every year there was always something criminally STUPID that the computer would do, and it would ruin the game, because you could always then go to that well of stupidity if you needed to for the win.
Online play comes, and with one fell swoop, that's all gone. Now we get to play against other human minds, whenever we want. No more stupid mistakes and predictable behavior. And you don't have to worry anymore about whether or not friends will come over, or what time of day/night it is. You sit down, and you play, and it's like the dude is on the couch next to you. To me, this is the great leap I've been waiting for. I don't care about trade AI, and I don't care about multi-season franchises. The fact that I can sit down, and have an intelligent game against another person who may be across town, or on the other side of the freaking planet, trumps all other advances. High Heat 2002 was far from the prettiest game, but I logged so many hours playing that game online it ain't even funny. It took over 20 years, but my personal baseball nirvana has finally arrived.
Personally, I'm astonished that the supposed vast majority of other gamers hold this in such low regard. It just doesn't make sense. But at any rate, I would be willing to personally guarantee that it won't be that way forever. The growth numbers from XBox Live alone since its launch show that online gaming is going to get real, real big.
So the way I see it, you might as well start catering to us now. The more innovative you are now, the more rewards you'll reap later, like MS is doing with XBox Live, when many people laughed at it in the months before the console's debut.
I dunno. Look, all I know is, ARod's on the fricking Yankees and Maddux is coming to the Cubs, and if these two blovkbuster moves can't be enjoyed online, well that's just gonna suck. I'm sure you guys have the ability to work something out with a patch, so why not just do it?
You guys have been earning my money steadily since NFL2K1 came to Dreamcast (cuz it was online!), over EA. Sega and VC sports games seemed to be to be the ones trying to innovate, while EA just cashed in and did what they had to do. In some ways, I feel like it is now VC that's getting complacent, and EA's the one with all the innovation. I don't want to go back to EA. Don't go giving me a reason to. I like VC better.
Bah, enough hot air. Online is the future. Treat it as such.
In the meantime, we'll settle for updated rosters playable online.im on ur pitch tacklin ur d00dz
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Scared money don't make money
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Scared money don't make money
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Scared money don't make money
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couldn't have said it better myself!Comment
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Online play comes, and with one fell swoop, that's all gone. Now we get to play against other human minds, whenever we want. No more stupid mistakes and predictable behavior... I don't care about trade AI, and I don't care about multi-season franchises. The fact that I can sit down, and have an intelligent game against another person who may be across town, or on the other side of the freaking planet, trumps all other advances.
So the way I see it, you might as well start catering to us now. The more innovative you are now, the more rewards you'll reap later...
In some ways, I feel like it is now VC that's getting complacent, and EA's the one with all the innovation. I don't want to go back to EA. Don't go giving me a reason to. I like VC better.
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EAXCTLY. I don't care about that stuff either. I look for accuracy in rosters, uniforms, stadiums and other details. 8th person mode and the ability to sim 120 years of a franchise is meaningless to me. Plus, who PLAYS all those games out anyway. Those things appeal to to younger crowd, but I am 26 and have not stopped playing video games like some adults do because of the innovations, namely online play. I see adults playing games online against college buddies well into the future.
Look, I have like VC's games better over the last few years, but it appears to ME EA's online capacity is leaving VC and XBox in the dust. As far as programming, MVP has done MUCH more (it appears) to improve their gameplay, and that Sega is content on adding minor things ot their already strong 2k3 showing. To me EA WAS vunerable. They were down for the count. Heck, OS rated the VC and EA's football games the same last season. And they gave the edge to VC in hockey, hoops, and baseball. So did Gamespot and IGN for the most part. And if it wasn't for NCAA EA might have lost all 4 sports. But it appears right now MVP will regain the crown, thanks to what I call The MADDEN EFFECT (where every game is simply a roster update for me)
As for the online play, if ESPN had updated rosters they have my money already. If XBOX had supported games that made you play with updated rosters they too would have my cake. ESPN is a great game, and will be played in person where I can upload the rosters manually, but as for online, it is PS2 and EA for me.Comment
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Online play comes, and with one fell swoop, that's all gone. Now we get to play against other human minds, whenever we want. No more stupid mistakes and predictable behavior... I don't care about trade AI, and I don't care about multi-season franchises. The fact that I can sit down, and have an intelligent game against another person who may be across town, or on the other side of the freaking planet, trumps all other advances.
So the way I see it, you might as well start catering to us now. The more innovative you are now, the more rewards you'll reap later...
In some ways, I feel like it is now VC that's getting complacent, and EA's the one with all the innovation. I don't want to go back to EA. Don't go giving me a reason to. I like VC better.
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EAXCTLY. I don't care about that stuff either. I look for accuracy in rosters, uniforms, stadiums and other details. 8th person mode and the ability to sim 120 years of a franchise is meaningless to me. Plus, who PLAYS all those games out anyway. Those things appeal to to younger crowd, but I am 26 and have not stopped playing video games like some adults do because of the innovations, namely online play. I see adults playing games online against college buddies well into the future.
Look, I have like VC's games better over the last few years, but it appears to ME EA's online capacity is leaving VC and XBox in the dust. As far as programming, MVP has done MUCH more (it appears) to improve their gameplay, and that Sega is content on adding minor things ot their already strong 2k3 showing. To me EA WAS vunerable. They were down for the count. Heck, OS rated the VC and EA's football games the same last season. And they gave the edge to VC in hockey, hoops, and baseball. So did Gamespot and IGN for the most part. And if it wasn't for NCAA EA might have lost all 4 sports. But it appears right now MVP will regain the crown, thanks to what I call The MADDEN EFFECT (where every game is simply a roster update for me)
As for the online play, if ESPN had updated rosters they have my money already. If XBOX had supported games that made you play with updated rosters they too would have my cake. ESPN is a great game, and will be played in person where I can upload the rosters manually, but as for online, it is PS2 and EA for me.Comment
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Online play comes, and with one fell swoop, that's all gone. Now we get to play against other human minds, whenever we want. No more stupid mistakes and predictable behavior... I don't care about trade AI, and I don't care about multi-season franchises. The fact that I can sit down, and have an intelligent game against another person who may be across town, or on the other side of the freaking planet, trumps all other advances.
So the way I see it, you might as well start catering to us now. The more innovative you are now, the more rewards you'll reap later...
In some ways, I feel like it is now VC that's getting complacent, and EA's the one with all the innovation. I don't want to go back to EA. Don't go giving me a reason to. I like VC better.
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EAXCTLY. I don't care about that stuff either. I look for accuracy in rosters, uniforms, stadiums and other details. 8th person mode and the ability to sim 120 years of a franchise is meaningless to me. Plus, who PLAYS all those games out anyway. Those things appeal to to younger crowd, but I am 26 and have not stopped playing video games like some adults do because of the innovations, namely online play. I see adults playing games online against college buddies well into the future.
Look, I have like VC's games better over the last few years, but it appears to ME EA's online capacity is leaving VC and XBox in the dust. As far as programming, MVP has done MUCH more (it appears) to improve their gameplay, and that Sega is content on adding minor things ot their already strong 2k3 showing. To me EA WAS vunerable. They were down for the count. Heck, OS rated the VC and EA's football games the same last season. And they gave the edge to VC in hockey, hoops, and baseball. So did Gamespot and IGN for the most part. And if it wasn't for NCAA EA might have lost all 4 sports. But it appears right now MVP will regain the crown, thanks to what I call The MADDEN EFFECT (where every game is simply a roster update for me)
As for the online play, if ESPN had updated rosters they have my money already. If XBOX had supported games that made you play with updated rosters they too would have my cake. ESPN is a great game, and will be played in person where I can upload the rosters manually, but as for online, it is PS2 and EA for me.Comment
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"As for the online play, if ESPN had updated rosters they have my money already. If XBOX had supported games that made you play with updated rosters they too would have my cake. ESPN is a great game, and will be played in person where I can upload the rosters manually, but as for online, it is PS2 and EA for me"
Yes!! Only I have xbox ...so ASB for me! Online games are the future..care now...not later,it will be too late. I really do want to go to ESPN but what you deem as no big deal.....is a big deal to me.Comment
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Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!
"As for the online play, if ESPN had updated rosters they have my money already. If XBOX had supported games that made you play with updated rosters they too would have my cake. ESPN is a great game, and will be played in person where I can upload the rosters manually, but as for online, it is PS2 and EA for me"
Yes!! Only I have xbox ...so ASB for me! Online games are the future..care now...not later,it will be too late. I really do want to go to ESPN but what you deem as no big deal.....is a big deal to me.Comment
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Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!
"As for the online play, if ESPN had updated rosters they have my money already. If XBOX had supported games that made you play with updated rosters they too would have my cake. ESPN is a great game, and will be played in person where I can upload the rosters manually, but as for online, it is PS2 and EA for me"
Yes!! Only I have xbox ...so ASB for me! Online games are the future..care now...not later,it will be too late. I really do want to go to ESPN but what you deem as no big deal.....is a big deal to me.Comment
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First, I'd like to point out that both FatPitcher and Fossen make cogent arguments in their posts, and I greatly appreciate that this thread has kept a sensible and productive tone.
I haven't decided which way I'll go yet for this year's baseball titles - I never do until I've played them all - but there's no question that I've been a unabashed fan of Sega's products over the last few years - much more so than Electronic Arts. This will come as no surprise to the large masses that routinely (and incorrectly) label OS as a "Sega fansite."
Sega has to try harder - there's no question about that. EA has a arsenal of cash and marketing expertise that they bring to bear upon the market every year. Fortunately for gamers, Sega's done that, and provided gamers with superior products for years. I have to agree with Fossen - in that while I respect Sega's decisions on the lack of usable online roster updates - I strongly think it's the wrong one - and it may end up costing Sega my money; money that they've been able to count on for years.
To claw their way up, Sega needs more ardent fans - people that love their products, and sell their friends on them. Even EA wasn't always about commercials and product placement...
For the time being, since major sales numbers aren't likely in the offing, building a strong fan base that Sega knows they can rely on becomes critical. Building it may require catering to the "whining malcontents" - the people who care so much about a title that they dedicate their time, passion and energy discussing it and posting about it at Operation Sports and places like it.
I'm not here to tell anyone how to do their job, and I appreciate FatPitcher taking the time to keep us in the loop over the years.
Nevertheless, I'd like to offer one kernel of wisdom:
Sometimes, the two-percent solution is exactly that - a solution.Shawn Drotar
Former Managing Editor, OperationSports.com (2002-07)Comment
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First, I'd like to point out that both FatPitcher and Fossen make cogent arguments in their posts, and I greatly appreciate that this thread has kept a sensible and productive tone.
I haven't decided which way I'll go yet for this year's baseball titles - I never do until I've played them all - but there's no question that I've been a unabashed fan of Sega's products over the last few years - much more so than Electronic Arts. This will come as no surprise to the large masses that routinely (and incorrectly) label OS as a "Sega fansite."
Sega has to try harder - there's no question about that. EA has a arsenal of cash and marketing expertise that they bring to bear upon the market every year. Fortunately for gamers, Sega's done that, and provided gamers with superior products for years. I have to agree with Fossen - in that while I respect Sega's decisions on the lack of usable online roster updates - I strongly think it's the wrong one - and it may end up costing Sega my money; money that they've been able to count on for years.
To claw their way up, Sega needs more ardent fans - people that love their products, and sell their friends on them. Even EA wasn't always about commercials and product placement...
For the time being, since major sales numbers aren't likely in the offing, building a strong fan base that Sega knows they can rely on becomes critical. Building it may require catering to the "whining malcontents" - the people who care so much about a title that they dedicate their time, passion and energy discussing it and posting about it at Operation Sports and places like it.
I'm not here to tell anyone how to do their job, and I appreciate FatPitcher taking the time to keep us in the loop over the years.
Nevertheless, I'd like to offer one kernel of wisdom:
Sometimes, the two-percent solution is exactly that - a solution.Shawn Drotar
Former Managing Editor, OperationSports.com (2002-07)Comment
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