Something about the screenshots

[Blzer]

Re: Something about the screenshots

Okay, here's my complaint. For some reason, I have no clue why, but everything in terms of being... well... vertical, had shrunken.

You can tell, just go to any stadium, like... Turner Field. Run up to the wall with an outfield, you're almost as tall as it as the player. Really, it's just not like that.


So, when you take that wall size, do EVERYTHING else in proportion with that. Already, you can see how much smaller stadiums are.

The next thing, is that there aren't enough people in the crowd. The average fan height is smaller than the average MLB player height, so when you look at the people in the crowd in comparison, they are almost the same size, if not bigger. That, and everything would need to be stretched vertically for everything to look higher. So, every seat just needs to be THAT much smaller, and then you have a lot more people in the stands.



Those two things, along with being able to have the realistic looking colors, structuring, and tones would make the ESPN stadiums look that much better.



I wish that I had some screenshots to compare all of the stadium things like I was saying, but if you know Ameriquest Field or the H.H.H. Metrodome by memory, and then play the game, then you could instantly tell how "short" everything is.

[Blzer]

Re: Something about the screenshots

Okay, here's my complaint. For some reason, I have no clue why, but everything in terms of being... well... vertical, had shrunken.

You can tell, just go to any stadium, like... Turner Field. Run up to the wall with an outfield, you're almost as tall as it as the player. Really, it's just not like that.


So, when you take that wall size, do EVERYTHING else in proportion with that. Already, you can see how much smaller stadiums are.

The next thing, is that there aren't enough people in the crowd. The average fan height is smaller than the average MLB player height, so when you look at the people in the crowd in comparison, they are almost the same size, if not bigger. That, and everything would need to be stretched vertically for everything to look higher. So, every seat just needs to be THAT much smaller, and then you have a lot more people in the stands.



Those two things, along with being able to have the realistic looking colors, structuring, and tones would make the ESPN stadiums look that much better.



I wish that I had some screenshots to compare all of the stadium things like I was saying, but if you know Ameriquest Field or the H.H.H. Metrodome by memory, and then play the game, then you could instantly tell how "short" everything is.

[brudjazz]

Re: Something about the screenshots

I've got no problem with the cutout crowds so long as it means that there won''t be framerate problems. They don't look as bad as people make them sound.

That's a very subjective opinion, my friend. Please don't try and speak for everyone, because you're only one person. The crowds DO look as bad as I say they do, and that's a valid opinon for a number of reasons:

(1) I've been playing sports games for MANY years; I've seen the progression of features over the years, and I've also seen many areas that COULD have been improved but were not, and thanks to marketing spin the suckers (being us game buyers) bought it. Perhaps you could slip on over to the the "Everything Else" forum and hear what the non-suckers have to say about the way that games have been made, or rather insufficiently improved.

(2) I've got near 20/20 vision, and I am here to tell you the crowd graphics look terrible. Always have, and until more game buyers gripe about it, the crowd graphics will continue to look terrible.

(3) I know myself far, far better than you do. I know how games play, have a decent grasp on how they are designed (computer science courses and a bit of research into this area will do wonders for enlightening the lowly, ignorant game buyer) and I know how the game of baseball is played.

[brudjazz]

Re: Something about the screenshots

I've got no problem with the cutout crowds so long as it means that there won''t be framerate problems. They don't look as bad as people make them sound.

That's a very subjective opinion, my friend. Please don't try and speak for everyone, because you're only one person. The crowds DO look as bad as I say they do, and that's a valid opinon for a number of reasons:

(1) I've been playing sports games for MANY years; I've seen the progression of features over the years, and I've also seen many areas that COULD have been improved but were not, and thanks to marketing spin the suckers (being us game buyers) bought it. Perhaps you could slip on over to the the "Everything Else" forum and hear what the non-suckers have to say about the way that games have been made, or rather insufficiently improved.

(2) I've got near 20/20 vision, and I am here to tell you the crowd graphics look terrible. Always have, and until more game buyers gripe about it, the crowd graphics will continue to look terrible.

(3) I know myself far, far better than you do. I know how games play, have a decent grasp on how they are designed (computer science courses and a bit of research into this area will do wonders for enlightening the lowly, ignorant game buyer) and I know how the game of baseball is played.

[ComfortablyLomb]

Re: Something about the screenshots

That's a very subjective opinion, my friend. Please don't try and speak for everyone, because you're only one person. The crowds DO look as bad as I say they do, and that's a valid opinon for a number of reasons:

(1) I've been playing sports games for MANY years; I've seen the progression of features over the years, and I've also seen many areas that COULD have been improved but were not, and thanks to marketing spin the suckers (being us game buyers) bought it. Perhaps you could slip on over to the the "Everything Else" forum and hear what the non-suckers have to say about the way that games have been made, or rather insufficiently improved.

(2) I've got near 20/20 vision, and I am here to tell you the crowd graphics look terrible. Always have, and until more game buyers gripe about it, the crowd graphics will continue to look terrible.

What a joke. You talk of me speaking for everyone but I did not do that in any way unless you aren't an ace at reading comprehension and misread "people." I stated my opinion in that matter which is that the crowds are just fine. You call my opinion subjective but you have no way of justifying yours in anything but a subjective manner and through strawman arguments.

It's good to hear that you've been playing sports games for many years because I bet I've been playing them for as long as it has mattered. All the way back to the RBI Baseball, Baseball Simulator 1.000, and Bases Loaded days. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything but since it obviously means something to you I decided I might as well add my "qualifications" ...which are ultimately irrelevant to this discussion.

I'm not sure why you would even expect a perfect product from an industry that relies on constantly updating and reselling its products. It's a good business model to follow so long as you don't torpedo your own fan base... but that's also another story, another point, and not the one I want to focus on. Perhaps you could realize its hard to be a sucker when you only have 2-3 options every year and each is flawed in its own way. I guess without calling me a sucker your argument wouldn't have sounded nearly as condecending, so you had to do it, no? Maybe you could acknowledge the rushed production schedule that every annual sports game is faced with. Maybe you could admit that other genres of video games have longer production schedules and can be more easily delayed when more time is needed for perfection. No, you wouldn't like to hear that explaination, I can tell that much from your tone.

What does your 20/20 eyesight have your opinion of the crowds in these games? Most people who play videogames have eyesight good enough to be able to form an opinion about the quality of what they're seeing. It's not like you need to be Air Force pilot to be a video game player, so what the heck does 20/20 vision have to do with anything?

And then we have this:

(3) I know myself far, far better than you do. I know how games play, have a decent grasp on how they are designed (computer science courses and a bit of research into this area will do wonders for enlightening the lowly, ignorant game buyer) and I know how the game of baseball is played.

Let's play a game that I like to call "Identify the Hypocrit!" First sentence:"I know myself far, far better than you do." Then we have this juicy line: "a bit of research into this area will do wonders for enlightening the lowly, ignorant game buyer." So you can in one breath ride the high horse of being the only person who can truly know oneself and in the next breath accuse someone who you only know one sentence about who has a very clear and simple opinion of being a "lowly, ignorant game buyer."

Then, just to once again express your self-ordained superiority you manage to fit in one last jab by stating that you know how the game of baseball is played. I'm sorry, but what does general baseball knowledge have to do with an opinion of how a crowd of people sitting in the stands looks in a videogame format? Anyways, I'm going to go ahead and doubt that you really know all that much about baseball because nothing you've said has really made that much of a truly intelligent impression on me. Got it, "friend?"

Oh, and I still think the crowds look just fine as cutouts, "friend."

[ComfortablyLomb]

Re: Something about the screenshots

That's a very subjective opinion, my friend. Please don't try and speak for everyone, because you're only one person. The crowds DO look as bad as I say they do, and that's a valid opinon for a number of reasons:

(1) I've been playing sports games for MANY years; I've seen the progression of features over the years, and I've also seen many areas that COULD have been improved but were not, and thanks to marketing spin the suckers (being us game buyers) bought it. Perhaps you could slip on over to the the "Everything Else" forum and hear what the non-suckers have to say about the way that games have been made, or rather insufficiently improved.

(2) I've got near 20/20 vision, and I am here to tell you the crowd graphics look terrible. Always have, and until more game buyers gripe about it, the crowd graphics will continue to look terrible.

What a joke. You talk of me speaking for everyone but I did not do that in any way unless you aren't an ace at reading comprehension and misread "people." I stated my opinion in that matter which is that the crowds are just fine. You call my opinion subjective but you have no way of justifying yours in anything but a subjective manner and through strawman arguments.

It's good to hear that you've been playing sports games for many years because I bet I've been playing them for as long as it has mattered. All the way back to the RBI Baseball, Baseball Simulator 1.000, and Bases Loaded days. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything but since it obviously means something to you I decided I might as well add my "qualifications" ...which are ultimately irrelevant to this discussion.

I'm not sure why you would even expect a perfect product from an industry that relies on constantly updating and reselling its products. It's a good business model to follow so long as you don't torpedo your own fan base... but that's also another story, another point, and not the one I want to focus on. Perhaps you could realize its hard to be a sucker when you only have 2-3 options every year and each is flawed in its own way. I guess without calling me a sucker your argument wouldn't have sounded nearly as condecending, so you had to do it, no? Maybe you could acknowledge the rushed production schedule that every annual sports game is faced with. Maybe you could admit that other genres of video games have longer production schedules and can be more easily delayed when more time is needed for perfection. No, you wouldn't like to hear that explaination, I can tell that much from your tone.

What does your 20/20 eyesight have your opinion of the crowds in these games? Most people who play videogames have eyesight good enough to be able to form an opinion about the quality of what they're seeing. It's not like you need to be Air Force pilot to be a video game player, so what the heck does 20/20 vision have to do with anything?

And then we have this:

(3) I know myself far, far better than you do. I know how games play, have a decent grasp on how they are designed (computer science courses and a bit of research into this area will do wonders for enlightening the lowly, ignorant game buyer) and I know how the game of baseball is played.

Let's play a game that I like to call "Identify the Hypocrit!" First sentence:"I know myself far, far better than you do." Then we have this juicy line: "a bit of research into this area will do wonders for enlightening the lowly, ignorant game buyer." So you can in one breath ride the high horse of being the only person who can truly know oneself and in the next breath accuse someone who you only know one sentence about who has a very clear and simple opinion of being a "lowly, ignorant game buyer."

Then, just to once again express your self-ordained superiority you manage to fit in one last jab by stating that you know how the game of baseball is played. I'm sorry, but what does general baseball knowledge have to do with an opinion of how a crowd of people sitting in the stands looks in a videogame format? Anyways, I'm going to go ahead and doubt that you really know all that much about baseball because nothing you've said has really made that much of a truly intelligent impression on me. Got it, "friend?"

Oh, and I still think the crowds look just fine as cutouts, "friend."

[jmood88]

Re: Something about the screenshots

i agree the Graphics look alot better but the player faces still look pretty nasty But the swing animation are Much improved

The player faces look great this year.

[jmood88]

Re: Something about the screenshots

i agree the Graphics look alot better but the player faces still look pretty nasty But the swing animation are Much improved

The player faces look great this year.

[Pared]

Re: Something about the screenshots

It's good to hear that you've been playing sports games for many years because I bet I've been playing them for as long as it has mattered. All the way back to the RBI Baseball, Baseball Simulator 1.000, and Bases Loaded days. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything but since it obviously means something to you I decided I might as well add my "qualifications" ...which are ultimately irrelevant to this discussion.

Atari baseball here... and board games before that....

I have you both beat!

[Pared]

Re: Something about the screenshots

It's good to hear that you've been playing sports games for many years because I bet I've been playing them for as long as it has mattered. All the way back to the RBI Baseball, Baseball Simulator 1.000, and Bases Loaded days. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything but since it obviously means something to you I decided I might as well add my "qualifications" ...which are ultimately irrelevant to this discussion.

Atari baseball here... and board games before that....

I have you both beat!

[brudjazz]

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Atari baseball here... and board games before that....

I have you both beat!

Sort of. I did play baseball on the Atari, and only gave the board games a glance.

[brudjazz]

Re: Something about the screenshots

Atari baseball here... and board games before that....

I have you both beat!

Sort of. I did play baseball on the Atari, and only gave the board games a glance.

[brudjazz]

Re: Something about the screenshots

ComfortablyLomb, what you did do was state your opinion in such a way that totally discounted what I said. You said something to the effect of "it's not as bad as people make it out to be". Who says? You? Listen, buddy, if you don't want people getting defensive at your comments, then perhaps you shouldn't attack/discount them, either. Perhaps you "misread" your own comment. The crowd graphics DO look awful, and the lack of real improvement in this area really has little to do with existing technology. If you want to play that game, look at all the silly animations (that when you see them the first time in a video, make you go "Wow!", but after seeing them 1,000 times in a game, make you want to puke) that have been put in baseball games, when better looking/acting crowds could have been put in instead. A realistic crowd and stadium surrounding the game would go MUCH further in adding realism and fun to the game, IMO, then some silly animation of a player breaking a bat over his knee, or bending over to tie his shoes.

[brudjazz]

Re: Something about the screenshots

ComfortablyLomb, what you did do was state your opinion in such a way that totally discounted what I said. You said something to the effect of "it's not as bad as people make it out to be". Who says? You? Listen, buddy, if you don't want people getting defensive at your comments, then perhaps you shouldn't attack/discount them, either. Perhaps you "misread" your own comment. The crowd graphics DO look awful, and the lack of real improvement in this area really has little to do with existing technology. If you want to play that game, look at all the silly animations (that when you see them the first time in a video, make you go "Wow!", but after seeing them 1,000 times in a game, make you want to puke) that have been put in baseball games, when better looking/acting crowds could have been put in instead. A realistic crowd and stadium surrounding the game would go MUCH further in adding realism and fun to the game, IMO, then some silly animation of a player breaking a bat over his knee, or bending over to tie his shoes.

[ComfortablyLomb]

Re: Something about the screenshots

Really? Cause I think the crowds look just fine considering their relative importance to the game and the amount of time that developers have every year to produce their games. I also think some people overstate their lousiness. Neither of those points are to the extreme and both are viable opinions.

Edit - Noticed a typo.