Creating **The 'PERFECT' Slider Set**

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  • nnng07
    Rookie
    • Jan 2007
    • 204

    #1

    Creating **The 'PERFECT' Slider Set**

    I'm an avid MLB and videogame baseball fan and have been lurking around these forums since this game came out, having followed the sliders section of this forum with much interest as we collectively try to implement a set of sliders that make the game come as close to our perception of reality as possible.

    Since people started posting their sliders on this forum (on release day) I've extensively tried out every serious set posted, and have found several of them to give very nice results. Many of you guys making the sliders have gotten certain portions of the game 'right on'. The only issue that I have found in trying to implement the sliders on here are that while each individual set has great strengths, there are loose ends that cause problems (like too many balls dropping in the outfield, A.I. outfielders making Torii-Hunter-catches all day, opponents not striking out enough, etc..)

    In trying to create a "perfect" slider set, I did not start from scratch. Instead, I build upon a foundation from those sliders created by Heelfan, BigfnJoe, smsuduck, Dauds, JT30, DanSF, TheProfessional, and several others on this board. I tested each aspect of those sliders again and again. I tried to use the 'best' aspect of each set, and then tweak and tweak and tweak until I got results I was 100% happy with. I must say that some of your guys' sliders have certain apects down completely perfect. I will note those sliders at which I think we have achieved a 'perfect' medium at. Additionally I have posted explanations for each of my slider decisions, and which ones I think are still more or less up in the air.

    I want you guys to understand that for us as a community to arrive at a 'perfect' set, feedback is absolutely neccessary. As I mentioned, this set is no more 'my creation' than that of all of those posting sliders and those replying in those slider threads on this board. I ask that you guys try this set for 5-7 games minimum before trying to analyze results, and MOST IMPORTANTLY vary the strength of the SP that you use and you face, and vary the team strength you use/face, in order for analysis of games played to be relevant (for example, if you use the Yankees and play against the D-Rays/Royals for 10 straight games and are upset that you averaged 7.8 runs a game, it is not neccessarily indicative of a weakness in the slider set, since you haven't tried out the set in more normalized conditions).

    Without further introduction, here is the set, with explanations:


    Player Options - (Batter Contact/Power settings apply to SWING STICK users only)

    Batter Contact: 35
    Batter Power: 20
    -Since I only use the swing stick, I can only recommend these two for those using this hitting option. I assure those using the classic hitting that if you check almost any of the other slider threads in this forum you will find Classic Hitting sliders that you will be happy with.
    Now, my 35/20 Contact/Power settings come after much testing with the swing stick and other settings posted on here. I will stick with these two probably for a while, as -combined with the AI pitching sliders- these have given me great results and have finally toned down the HR's while keeping doubles as part of the game.

    Batter Influence: 35
    Power Swing:
    35
    -These two I have finally settled on @ 35 each after originally having them in the 25-30 range. Some have batter influence higher, but I believe that with it at 35, you get a good balance between your effort-level going into the swing and your batter's actual ratings. This keeps guys like David Eckstein limited to singles/doubles even when hitting the ball squarely, with guys like Pujols launching monsters in the same situation.
    The setting I have for power swing is higher than others at 35 both because I like that aspect of the swing stick and because it DOES NOT prevent HR's from being hit by doing a line-drive swing. I have found a happy medium at 35 for power swing, but for those of you who feel there are too many HR's *when using the UP-SWING*, I suggest turning this setting down instead of the POWER setting to find the proper balance for you.

    Step Influence: 10
    -I really don't like this aspect of the SWING STICK, so I try to eliminate its impact accordingly. Since nowhere do we have a clear definition of *exactly* when we should start our step, I like minimizing its impact. Its clear that I am more of a fan of the power part of the swing stick rather than the step influence part, so if you preferences differ, change these two settings accordingly.

    Pitcher Difficulty: 80
    -This one has taken quite a lot of tweaking. I feel like at this setting, you are accurately challenged by the stars of today's game. Some of you have this at 100, but I feel like that makes the dominating pitchers in this game too "shut-down". What I mean by this is that if you face a good pitcher in this game (like Rich Harden) you will ALWAYS get shut down. 8 IP, 1 ER, 13 K's. Or thereabouts. Yes, we want the pitching stars to dominate, but we can't have every top-level pitcher put up better-than-Yohan 1.60 ERA's against us every time out.

    Bunt Assistance: 25
    Bunt for Hit: 15
    -These are more of personal preferences, but I find that the 25/15 split works quite nicely for me.

    Baserunner Speed: 100
    Runner Steal Success:
    55
    -These two are set here, and I think they are FINAL. I've tweaked between 55-60 with steal success, and have settled on 55. I find this the most realistic. In the case of baserunner speed, 100 is a must and probably still does not correctly compensate for the slow baserunning in this game. Stick with the 100/55 settings here.

    Infielder Errors: 70
    Outfielder Errors:
    75
    -These I am willing to work with, though I do find a good balance here. I was seeing a tad too much fumbling of the ball by infielders (some are errors, others are just slightly-tough plays being fumbled & not made) with IF Errors @ 75-80, so I toned it down just a notch.

    Infielder Speed: 25
    Outfielder Speed: 45
    -I do not use Speed Burst, and these setting are for those who are in the same boat. The OF Speed is pretty much perfect. This has been tested by me and those in Heelfan's thread extensively, and 45 I think needs not be touched. The 25 for IF Speed I believe is correct, as it accurately balances the speed, though I am open to suggestions on it.

    Catcher Throw Speed: 0
    Infielder Throw Speed: 0
    Outfielder Throw Speed: 0
    -These have been explained in other threads extensively, and helps compensate for the game's default slow-baserunning-in-comparison-to-fielding-arm-strength problem.

    Infielder Reaction Speed: 10
    Outfielder Reaction Speed: 45
    -I feel like these are more up to personal preference (especially the OF Reaction Speed), but I feel like the IF Reaction needs to be low in order to prevent some of the Ozzie Smith-like motions & animations by the left infielders (SS&3B) that are frequent at default settings.

    Speed Burst Length: 0
    Speed Burst Power: 0
    -I prefer my fielders running at full strength the whole time, given that they cover less the 100 feet per play, and that they have to make maybe a total of a dozen ball-chasing runs a game.

    Fielder Aggression: 0
    -This has been changed to 0 in order to cut back on the acrobatic plays made by fielders, increase the number of animations, and make fielding more commandable.

    Pitcher Fatigue: 35
    -Given the A.I. pitcher settings that I have, you should work the pitch count. Given that, the Pitcher Fatigue needs to be right here at 35.

    Pitcher Interface Speed: 100
    -This has to be 100 since I use Payoff Pitching. At first, you can locate, but after your pitcher tires, you need to have speed at 100 in order for locating to actually become a challenge.

    Injuries: 65
    -At default, I feel like injuries are lacking. I may consider moving this up higher, though 65 does seem to create a realistic number of injuries.

    Pitch Speed:
    65
    -Some of the sliders around here have this at 100, and I can't even fathom that. I think that 65 is most realistic in terms of actual real-life speed, and you will still have trouble catching up with mid-90's heat from bonafide talents.



    A.I. General Options

    Infielder Errors: 70
    Outfielder Errors: 75
    -The reasoning behind the 70/75 split is the same as for the user sliders. Again, I am willing to tweak these as neccessary.

    Infielder Speed: 25
    Outfielder Speed: 45
    -Same reasoning as for human settings

    Catcher Throw Speed: 0
    Infielder Throw Speed: 0
    Outfielder Throw Speed: 0
    -These have to be @ 0 in order to compensate for the super-strong arms the fielders have in this game. Trust me, keep these at 0.

    Fielder Aggression: 0
    Throwing Aggression: 60
    -Okay, these required a lot of thought and tweaking. The reason that I have the throwing aggression relatively high is because I have noticed instances of the CPU not going for the lead runner on grounders despite easily obtainable forceouts with the setting in the 40-50 range. I think 60 should finally do it, so give me good feedback on this one please. The fielder aggression has been toned down for two main reasons. The first is the ridiculous number of CPU-robbed HR's. With the aggression down and the OF speed at what it is, this problem has mostly been resolved. The second is the diving catches the IF's & OF's pull off.

    Hit and Run: 100
    Sacrifice Bunt: 55
    Squeeze Bunt: 35
    -The Hit-&-Run's are quite unfrequent, and the high setting is aimed at alieviating the problem. The bunt ratings are up to you, but they will play well at 55/35.

    Runner Aggression: 65
    -This was tweaked a lot. Many people have it at 85, but I get too many cheap outs by gunning down kamikaze CPU runners who are driven by flashbacks of Rickey Henderson. EDIT: I toned this down even further to 65, after throwing out 3 CPU batters trying to turn singles-into-doubles in a 3-inning period. I know that this was an extreme sample, but I have seen over-aggressiveness often enough to be convinced that this needs to be tuned down a notch or two.

    Steal Success: 60
    Steal Second: 60
    Steal Third: 35
    Steal Home: 15
    -The Steal Success & Steal Second sliders I have finally found a good balance at. I really think that 60/60 between the two is right where it needs to be. The low settings for the other two are meant to ensure that the CPU doesn't go Vince Coleman-1980's on us.

    Diveback: 55
    -This was at 50, but I moved it up one notch since some people have mentioned picking off multiple batters per game if they throw over enough. I think at 55 we should be fine, but let me know how it works.




    A.I. Batting Options

    AI Batters use Inside Edge:ON

    Take Strike Overall: 60
    Take Strike Ahead: 65
    Take Strike Behind: 45
    Take Ball Overall: 65
    Take Ball Ahead: 70
    Take Ball Behind: 60
    -I must say guys, please try these six as they are. I have worked a LOT with them, and tried to address all the issues voiced in this forum. Hopefully you will get K's now. Obviously, go for the corners. They will chase some balls. They will take walks. They will swing at your great pitches, even if off the plate. Give these six a chance, I really think they have taken care of A.I. plate discipline.

    Skill: 100
    Contact: 45
    Power:
    50
    -These I honestly think are up to the individualy user. It all depends on how the CPU is hitting you. [The first changes in the slider set are here. To create a more realisting number of strikeouts, CPU Contact & Power have been adjusted to 45/50]

    Bunt for Hit: 40
    -Set it at what you need.

    Pitcher Difficulty: 20
    -Okay. This is one of the most important sliders, and I don't feel like it gets proper attention. If this is too high, the CPU just can't hit your stars. Chris Carpenter DID NOT give up more than 2 runs in any start that I made with him, a sample size of nearly a dozen outings, with this setting at 65. So I toned it down. And down. And down. At 20, I found a good balance, and I think I am happy with it now. You get a bit of extra bonus for having the curveball come from Zito not Lima, but it is still up to you to correctly use the enhanced reptoire that stars offer, not up to the X-Box to prevent the CPU from getting legitimate hits.

    Pitcher Effectiveness Mod: 80
    -[[EDIT: I moved this up one increment from 75 to 80. I feel like for those using Payoff Pitching like me, the marginal difference in CPU power on your bad pitches helps make pitching a tad tougher. I was noticing that with a tired Danny Haren, even the pitches with little effort would end up as popups/weak flyballs. I think we need a bit more punishment on our weaker pitches to balance things out. I suggest for those that want more of a challenge with Payoff Pitching, turn this up to 100. I am going to try it for a while and see if I can still keep my ERA respectable.]]



    AI Pitching Options

    Pitchers use Inside Edge: ON

    Corner: 55
    -This one's tricky. I think naturally we all had the tendency to turn this up very high since we want the computer mimmicking actual MLB pitching and trying to nibble at the corners. The problem is, when we turn this up to 65-80 like many of the sets on here suggest, we end up with CPU pitchers that are too predictable. They always go for the edges, and you never have to set your batter's eye anywhere but on one of the four corners. With this setting at 55, I think I have captured a more realistic portrayal of MLB pitch variablity.

    Change Speed: 75
    -This is a very good setting. The difficulty in guessing whether the same pitch is coming on back-to-back throws or whether the pitcher is about to change the speed up makes this very realistic. Try it out as is.

    Throw Strike Overall: 40
    Throw Strike Ahead: 35
    Throw Strike Behind: 50
    -I think these three at 40/35/50 have finally given me the results I have been trying to achieve. This creates a great balance between strikes & balls, strikeouts & walks. I am as satisfied with this integral combination of three setting as I am with almost any other settings in this game. I still strike out quite a lot, but with increased plate discipline I think these are the sort of sliders that we can draw a realistic 3.something walks a game against the CPU.

    Pitcher Fatigue: 60
    -At 60, and with the throw strike settings as I have them above, I think that fitcher fatigue is pretty close to where it needs to be. Starting pitchers for the CPU make it through 5-8 innings, and depending on how much they've been throwing their effectiveness drops accordingly.

    Pickoff:
    50
    Pitchout: 50
    -I have not found leaving these two at 50 to create any problems, and I think that on the whole neither have the other slider-makers on this board.

    Meat Pitch: 20
    -Some have this higher, but I tried to create a difficult set of sliders (between the high CPU skill, tough pitcher difficulty sliders, etc..) and this needs to be low to keep the game challenging. At 20 I find that meatballs are rare, though some still are heaved over the plate once in a while.




    That's it. There we have it. A couple things to keep in mind:

    -The batter contact/power settings are aimed at SWING STICK users
    -Turn off Vibration and use Breakpoint pitching to make hurling more challenging
    -The fielder speed settings are recommended for those that DON'T use speed burst
    -Give these sliders at least a 5-7 game trial period to get a good grasp on them before trying to analyze the sample

    Enjoy!


    [[For those that started off with the original set in this post, here are the changes made so far:]]
    1. Change AI Contact to 45 & AI Power to 50
    2. Change Pitcher Effectiveness Mod to 80
    3. Change AI Runner Aggression to 65
    4. Change both HUMAN & AI Fielder Aggression to 0
    5. Change AI Hit-&-Run to 100
    Last edited by nnng07; 03-15-2007, 11:14 AM.
  • PsychoBulk
    Hoping for change...
    • May 2006
    • 4191

    #2
    Re: Creating **The 'PERFECT' Slider Set**

    Thats one hell of a long post.

    Great effort with the testing of all other slider sets and your explanations of why you have done what youve done.

    Im going to now print these out and give them a whirl, and will report back in 5-7 games time.

    Cheers.

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    • obie
      Rookie
      • Apr 2006
      • 337

      #3
      Re: Creating **The 'PERFECT' Slider Set**

      How can I change the AI change speed for pitching? It is grayed out when I try to adjust it.

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      • VidGaminMachine476
        MVP
        • Dec 2005
        • 2686

        #4
        Re: Creating **The 'PERFECT' Slider Set**

        Obie, turn on or off "AI Pitchers use Inside Edge" first. I forgot. I'm 99% sure you turn it off, then you adjust AI change speed, then turn it back on.
        XBox 360 GT: XFactor416

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        • Gary Armida
          MVP
          • Oct 2003
          • 2533

          #5
          Re: Creating **The 'PERFECT' Slider Set**

          I pretty much did the same type of thing and we are really close in alot of areas. You have me thinking about Ai pitch difficulty. I have it at 65 and am getting good results with the Royals...But, that might be why I am getting hit. I'm gonna give 20 a whirl and see what happens. Kudos for the effort on these.
          Formerly Favre4vr

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          • PRGuY_85
            Rookie
            • Jul 2004
            • 55

            #6
            Re: Creating **The 'PERFECT' Slider Set**

            Lets see what people say of this "perfect" slider set. I am using smmduck's sliders which are great, only problem is I am getting striked out alot (maybe by my own fault) and am not getting many K's myself. The CPU rarely misses a swing.

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            • BigL
              Pro
              • Sep 2005
              • 612

              #7
              Re: Creating **The 'PERFECT' Slider Set**

              Great work. WHy is the AI change speed slider always disabled for me? I cant adjust it. Never have been able to

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              • UalHawkeye
                Rookie
                • Feb 2007
                • 141

                #8
                Re: Creating **The 'PERFECT' Slider Set**

                First of all, I have about 90% the same sliders as these and mine are working great! My only problem is the cpu scoring, they get on avg 8-14 hits a game but they just don't cross the plate!(?)

                My only real problem I have with these and it is set up much different then mine in this area is: With the AI take strikes/balls set so High combined with the pitch difficulty so low it would seem to me that you would hardly ever see any Swinging Strikes-outs! I had to raise mine (difficulty) to start seeing some swings and misses! I would guess you would get cpu K's but not swinging k's if they are just taking all the time. Also with the power at 20 which is where I also have it, do you see any Huge Bombs? I mean 450+ mammouth blasts? I am getting mostly high 300's to low 400'. My farthest HR so far has only been 427. Of course this is not a big issue, but would be nice to see Giambi bomb one 500' once in a blue moon. I am getting plenty of hard alley and line shots which is important too me.
                I think the only sliders different for me than what you have are the above mentioned take sliders and pitch difficulty. Nice work on this.

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                • highheatkingsb
                  All Star
                  • Jul 2005
                  • 8152

                  #9
                  Re: Creating **The 'PERFECT' Slider Set**

                  You talk about pitch speed being 65. I am using Papi's version 5.0 sliders and I have mine set at 100. I strike out 6-9 times a game against #1, #2 starters, and get about 7 or less hits a game, but when I hit against #3,#4,#5 starters and middle relievers, I maybe strike out 4-5 times a game against them and my hit total goes up. I like everything else you've posted, but I've tried dropping the pitch speed back and hitting became 15-20 hits a game after you catch up with it. I can't stomach to play anything less than 100 speed anymore. The more you practice with it, the better you'll get at it. I'm going to give these a shot with 100 speed though. I like how you took the time to explain everything, with the exception of the pitch speed, I agree with you. I also like AI contact/power at 50/50. Anything else less on either side, the computer can't score and doesn't seem to hit homers. Great job!!!!
                  Highheat's O's Franchise
                  http://www.operationsports.com/forum...l-attempt.html

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                  • MJAY2003
                    Rookie
                    • Apr 2005
                    • 106

                    #10
                    Re: Creating **The 'PERFECT' Slider Set**

                    I will definitely be giving these a shot. I've tried pretty much everyone else's sliders so far, and I always seem to have the same problems, and that's striking out the computer and me striking out far too much. I always seem to have to up my pitching a bit, but at the cost of CPU runs, so hopefully these will solve some of my problems. Great job taking the time to explain why you put the sliders where you did.

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                    • nnng07
                      Rookie
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 204

                      #11
                      Re: Creating **The 'PERFECT' Slider Set**

                      Originally posted by UalHawkeye
                      My only real problem I have with these and it is set up much different then mine in this area is: With the AI take strikes/balls set so High combined with the pitch difficulty so low it would seem to me that you would hardly ever see any Swinging Strikes-outs! I had to raise mine (difficulty) to start seeing some swings and misses! I would guess you would get cpu K's but not swinging k's if they are just taking all the time.

                      Also with the power at 20 which is where I also have it, do you see any Huge Bombs? I mean 450+ mammouth blasts? I am getting mostly high 300's to low 400'. My farthest HR so far has only been 427. Of course this is not a big issue, but would be nice to see Giambi bomb one 500' once in a blue moon.
                      Here's the thing. As I have these sliders set right now, they are meant to be quite difficult to pitch with (and hit with). Even now, after playing dozens of games, I average maybe 5-6 K's per game, with my aces getting 7-9 on their good starts, and my scrubs 3 K's per start. This is a bit lower than what I would ideally want, but I've pinpointed this as a problem with my personal pitching. I see where I miss Payoff Pitches that could have garnered me extra strikeouts, and I get the feeling though I am now getting less K's than I will eventually desire that when I improve to the point of hitting most of my clutch pitches I will bring my team K average up by one to a more impressive 6-7 a game.

                      In terms of the mammoth HR's all I can say is do not pay attention to the figures the game gives you. I think that they have randomized HR's distances that come from a small-variability sample size and you will not see many sub-380 shots or 480+ blasts. For example, if you hit one into the first row of the bleachers, you still often get credit for a 420+ foot HR. The distances are outta whack from my experience.


                      Originally posted by MJAY2003
                      I will definitely be giving these a shot. I've tried pretty much everyone else's sliders so far, and I always seem to have the same problems, and that's striking out the computer and me striking out far too much. I always seem to have to up my pitching a bit, but at the cost of CPU runs, so hopefully these will solve some of my problems. Great job taking the time to explain why you put the sliders where you did.
                      MJAY, I suggest you do this: turn the BATTER CONTACT (if you're using the swing stick) up from my suggested 35 to 45. This will NOT create a noticeable increase in the number of hits you get, just the number of balls put in play. Essentially, instead of 5 extra K's a game, you will get 4 extra grounders and maybe a blooper. This is a good solution for those feeling that too many of their outs are strikeouts. Try 40. Then try 45. See what's comfortable for you.

                      [Again, I have it at 35 personally because it gives adequate room for improvement. Basically, right now I strike out about 8 times per game, and while this is more than neccessary, 1-2 K's a game are my fault and things that I know I need to improve. When I tweak out the issues in my personal 2K7-playing I think I will strike out about 6 times a game with this setting at 35.]

                      Now, MJAY to solve your not striking out enough CPU batters problem, the slider you should adjust would be CPU-taking-balls-behind one. Then, nibble at corners with breaking balls, and you should definately see them swinging-and-missing at strike threes off the plate with regulation if thrown well.

                      So try those two out. Up your contact to the 40-45 region. And perhaps adjust CPU take ball when behind down to 50. Hope that works!

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                      • BigL
                        Pro
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 612

                        #12
                        Re: Creating **The 'PERFECT' Slider Set**

                        Originally posted by highheatkingsb
                        You talk about pitch speed being 65. I am using Papi's version 5.0 sliders and I have mine set at 100. I strike out 6-9 times a game against #1, #2 starters, and get about 7 or less hits a game, but when I hit against #3,#4,#5 starters and middle relievers, I maybe strike out 4-5 times a game against them and my hit total goes up. I like everything else you've posted, but I've tried dropping the pitch speed back and hitting became 15-20 hits a game after you catch up with it. I can't stomach to play anything less than 100 speed anymore. The more you practice with it, the better you'll get at it. I'm going to give these a shot with 100 speed though. I like how you took the time to explain everything, with the exception of the pitch speed, I agree with you. I also like AI contact/power at 50/50. Anything else less on either side, the computer can't score and doesn't seem to hit homers. Great job!!!!
                        The pitch speed is sort of a catch-22. With the pitch speed too high it seems that everybody is a power pitcher, even guys like Tom Glavine. So in that aspect its a bit unrealistic. But if the speed is too low and you are an accomplished hitter than you'll rack up hits all game.

                        BUt if you can hit with the pitch wpeed at 100 then I tip my cap to ya.

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                        • born_bad
                          MVP
                          • Jan 2005
                          • 1130

                          #13
                          Re: Creating **The 'PERFECT' Slider Set**

                          Great post. I'll definitely try these sliders out tonight. Seems like you put a lot of work into them, so I'm looking forward to giving them a shot.

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                          • MJAY2003
                            Rookie
                            • Apr 2005
                            • 106

                            #14
                            Re: Creating **The 'PERFECT' Slider Set**

                            Originally posted by nnng07
                            MJAY, I suggest you do this: turn the BATTER CONTACT (if you're using the swing stick) up from my suggested 35 to 45. This will NOT create a noticeable increase in the number of hits you get, just the number of balls put in play. Essentially, instead of 5 extra K's a game, you will get 4 extra grounders and maybe a blooper. This is a good solution for those feeling that too many of their outs are strikeouts. Try 40. Then try 45. See what's comfortable for you.

                            [Again, I have it at 35 personally because it gives adequate room for improvement. Basically, right now I strike out about 8 times per game, and while this is more than neccessary, 1-2 K's a game are my fault and things that I know I need to improve. When I tweak out the issues in my personal 2K7-playing I think I will strike out about 6 times a game with this setting at 35.]

                            Now, MJAY to solve your not striking out enough CPU batters problem, the slider you should adjust would be CPU-taking-balls-behind one. Then, nibble at corners with breaking balls, and you should definately see them swinging-and-missing at strike threes off the plate with regulation if thrown well.

                            So try those two out. Up your contact to the 40-45 region. And perhaps adjust CPU take ball when behind down to 50. Hope that works!
                            I'll definitely give your ideas a shot. I think I've done allright the last few games not striking out a lot, but those were against some of the bottom of the rotation guys. Next I'll try the take balls behind slider tho, and see how that works out for me. Also to help out with striking out the CPU I put up Pitcher Difficulty a little, but also increased CPU power so that they're still getting hits at times when the put the bat on the ball. Had a good game last night with that, won in the bottom of the 9th with a 2 run blast by Soriano. Final score was 9-8, had a decent amount of K's from Prior and my bullpen.

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                            • PsychoBulk
                              Hoping for change...
                              • May 2006
                              • 4191

                              #15
                              Re: Creating **The 'PERFECT' Slider Set**

                              Im enjoying these sliders, even though im 2-5 with them.

                              The main point i would make is even with "AI take strike behind" at 50, i still hardly ever strike them out, max 2/3 times per game.

                              I am bottom of the AL in k's with only 17 in 7 games.

                              Ive upped it to 55 and am going to see how it goes.

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