AJ Burnett maybe traded?

[SPTO]

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Dave Bush/Ted Lilly, Scott Schoenweis, Frank Cattalanato...

Get it done JP!

I'd love that but remember JP is looking for guys that would stick around for a few yrs. Do you really think Burnett would want to stick in Toronto?

[Vince]

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With the increased bugdet Ted Rogers has given, we could afford to pay him enough to he wants to stay. Toronto is a great city. I know Burnett is from south(Arkansas I believe), but money still talks. He'd be a great 2 starter behind Roy. I'd wet my bed thinking of a rotation that featured both those plus McGowin and Rosario when they are ready.

At worst, we could always make him a rent a player, then ship him during the winter meetings for a bat.

[Stu]

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With the increased bugdet Ted Rogers has given, we could afford to pay him enough to he wants to stay. Toronto is a great city. I know Burnett is from south(Arkansas I believe), but money still talks. He'd be a great 2 starter behind Roy. I'd wet my bed thinking of a rotation that featured both those plus McGowin and Rosario when they are ready.

At worst, we could always make him a rent a player, then ship him during the winter meetings for a bat.

Burnett has made it pretty clear that he's going to test the market so probably wouldn't agree to participate in MLB's pseudo sign and trade system. No reason for the Jays to trade for him as a 1/2 year player to compete in a division race they're not even in.

He's going to be a FA unless Florida can somehow resign him. He'll be one of the few good arms on the market and will get nicely overpaid, probably by Baltimore or the Red Sox.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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I hope the other AL team is the Jays.

I've had my sights on Burnett and I hope JP does too. The Jays are in a unique position where they can actually add 20-25 million in payroll for next season. I doubt even the Yanks or Red Sox will increase their payrolls by 20-25 mil next season.

The supposed asking price isn't that high. If AJ becomes a FA he's the number one pitcher I want the Jays to target. We have a huge need for a number 2 starter behind Doc. He's also still pretty young which helps. Nobody in here has brought up his favorite pitching coach, Brad Arnsberg, is now the pitching coach for the Jays. When Arnsberg was hired, AJ was quoted as saying he would love to play for any team that had Arnsberg.

Money isn't an issue here and neither should be players. The Jays are loaded with young pitchers/prospects. There's a number of guys that should interest the Marlins like Bush, Chacin, Banks, Marcum, Rosario, McGowan, Jackson, Jannsen, Gaudin, and Isenberg. Heck I'm willing to give up League although he's a bullpen guy and not a starter. As for set-up men, the Jays have 3 solid guys right now in Speier, Frasor, and Chulk. Gabe Gross and Alex Rios should fit the type of young OF's they're looking for.

It's time for the Jays to start trading their wealth of pitching prospects or else they're going to risk losing some players to the Rule 5 Draft sooner or later.

[rsox]

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One thing we do know: the Marlins are going to trade Juan Encarnacion, it's only a matter of time. If the Marlins do decide to trade Burnett it will be because either a)they think they are out of it, or b)because Scott Olson shows he is ready for the majors and has few more starts like the one he had on saturday and the Marlins think they can win without him.
The Marlins have some good young pitching, Olson, Logan Kensing, Yorman Bazardo and Josh Johnson all could be with the Marlins in the next few years, if the Marlins could add another couple of arms (like Cabrera and Penn) for Burnett, then that could make them that much stronger.

If i'm the Orioles i would be a little apprehensive about giving up so much to get Burnett, there are no guarentees Burnett will stay after this season, and health has to be a concern. It was only a year ago that the Royals basically fleeced the Orioles in the Jason Grimsley for Denny Bautista trade, so the asking price of Cabrera, Penn, Larry Bigbie and Jorge Julio seems a bit steep for a Pitcher who, while he does have filthy stuff, is only 5-5.

[Vince]

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Burnett has made it pretty clear that he's going to test the market so probably wouldn't agree to participate in MLB's pseudo sign and trade system. No reason for the Jays to trade for him as a 1/2 year player to compete in a division race they're not even in.

Well, I said at worst we could trade him if he wouldn't be willing to resign. But I'd be preety confident that we could keep him with our owner giving Ricciardi a more flexible budget to add players by free agency or via trades.

Gabe Gross and Alex Rios should fit the type of young OF's they're looking for.

It's time for the Jays to start trading their wealth of pitching prospects or else they're going to risk losing some players to the Rule 5 Draft sooner or later.

I'd bet the mortgage that Rios is untouchable... There's no way I'd give up on him, and knowing how JP values prospects, I doubt he would either...

But, I agree on your second point about the pitching prospects. We have so many now. It's time we start traidn our assets for some young studs that team are willing to give up on. We've stockpiled enough talent and are now in a position where we can make some moves to improve other areas of need.

And good point about Arnsberg. I remember a rumor 2 years ago when Gil Patterson was the pitching coach. The rumor was that the Jays would trade for Curt Shilling, because he was a big Patterson backer. Too bad nothing transpired. Hopefully it will be different regarding AJ.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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I'd bet the mortgage that Rios is untouchable... There's no way I'd give up on him, and knowing how JP values prospects, I doubt he would either...

And that is something that doesn't make any sense if the right player(s) come in return from a trade. I know JP is a big Rios backer but I don't see why.

He's had one big season with power (in AA) and has shown nothing else during any other point of his career. His high BA is an "empty" BA because he doesn't draw walks. He simply doesn't hit for enough power for a starting corner OF position. If I'm the Jays GM I'm shopping around Rios right now while teams are still interested in his potential.

The reason why JP stocked the system with pitchers and has added payroll flexability is for a situation like this.

I hope he doesn't drop the ball.

[Havok410]

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I like that trade expect for the fact that the O's would have to give up Penn. He's probably our best prospect (its either him or Adam Loewen) and should be very good in future but I would like to win now. And Burnett (hopefully the injury problems are behind him) is good enough to be the ace. Encarnancion and Bigbie really arent that far apart. But I don't see the point of doing this deal for the Marlins. With Beckett out, they need Burnett if they want to stay in the race.

[Misfit]

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I question the difference in Cabrera's ceiling and Burnett's. If I'm the O's, I hang onto Cabrera and see what he gives me. The kid has some nasty stuff, he just needs to mature some and trust in it a little more. Burnett hasn't peaked yet, but he isn't going to get a whole lot better than what you're seeing now. And the makeup of Baltimore's bullpen also changes a whole lot if you take Julio out of it.

[rsox]

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I don't see the point of doing this deal for the Marlins. With Beckett out, they need Burnett if they want to stay in the race.

The point is the Marlins are going to lose Burnett ( there is no way the Marlins are going to be able to out bid teams like the Rangers, Red Sox, Yankees or Mets) this winter so they might as well get something for him while they can.

This is a great trade for the Marlins, they get one the best young pitchers in the game with Cabrera, the closer they have been looking for with Julio, another lefthanded bat with Bigbie and a potential stud in Penn. If you were the Marlins how do you not make this deal?.

[PdiddyPop]

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AJ is 5-5. D-Train is still on a roll, Beckett will be back, Olson showed he can play, Al can get it done every now and then. It's not like AJ is 12-2 or something. Yeah he's got great stuff, but it's not like we are dying if we trade him.

[Vince]

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Wins can be misleading. His ERA is 3.14, which tells me he isn't getting enough run support. A 3.14 era is very good.

[PdiddyPop]

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Wins can be misleading. His ERA is 3.14, which tells me he isn't getting enough run support. A 3.14 era is very good.

Dtrains is way better though. It's not like we are dying for his pitching. Thats my whole point. Hes a good pitcher with great stuff, but its not out of this world. To where we have no shot if hes not there.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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I don't want to sound like a broken record but Wins for a SP is the most over-rated stat in baseball.

AJ's 22nd in VORP for pitchers with 24.9

Out of the 112 SP's he's 58th in Run Support with 4.88 a game.

He's tied for 20th in WHIP with 1.19

His GB to FB ratio is 8th best in the Majors.

Needless to say despite his pedestrian W/L record, AJ's having a great season.

[Birdsonbat]

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Wins can be misleading. His ERA is 3.14, which tells me he isn't getting enough run support. A 3.14 era is very good.

His record is extremely misleading. He has allowed more than 3 ER only twice this year, and his K/BB ratio is very good. I have both Burnett and Beckett in my full keeper league, so I watch them rather closely. With Beckett able to drop with a blister at any moment, I think it'd be wise to keep Burnett around. But, the way free agency works, might as well get something for him now while you can.