So what about the baseball records now?

[Motown]

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Oh and Rose should not have the records he holds either...Come on it isnt realistic

What???? Rose is the "All-time Hit King" because he out HIT Ty Cobb, not because he bet on baseballl...what's this have to do w/ Enhancing your body to hit a ball a country mile anyway??

[mgoblue]

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steroids weren't technically illegal in baseball for the longest time, so keep that in mind. I don't know the exact year they became illegal though, but baseball screwed itself by not putting in testing earlier like the NFL. However, baseball was gonna die in '98 without roided McGuire and Sosa, so they fell on their own sword. Short term gain, but now they're in this mess where the integrity of the sport is total crap.

[mjb2124]

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steroids weren't technically illegal in baseball for the longest time, so keep that in mind.

I believe that the first recorded instance of steroids being used in sports was in the 70's?? I think it goes back to the East/West German swimmers and athletes.

[mgoblue]

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I believe that the first recorded instance of steroids being used in sports was in the 70's?? I think it goes back to the East/West German swimmers and athletes.

baseball never checked, nor had it in the rules (I believe)...was it right for players to take them? Hell no, but I like to think the rules of the game should have expressly prohibited them. When they have stuff that prohibits spitballs and the like, you'd think they'd have had room for steroids too.

[videobastard]

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Its obvious the jump that took place in the 90's to now. There is nothing that can be done about it though. The only thing i would say is that any players that are caught should have a asteric to their name.

[ILLCHILL]

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Bonds had 3 MVPs in his first 7 years of the league before the supposed steroid era...before the age of 30 yrs old. To say he isnt in the same ZIP as Aaron, Ruth and Mays is kind of an exaggeration. Mays had two, Ruth one, and Aaron one...I know MXVs doesnt put him in the same bracket, but he was putting up great stats in the early 90's and would have been considered better than his father and in the same league with some of the greats of Mays, Aaron and Ruth

He wouldnt be near 700 HR's, but anyone who knows baseball knew he was destined for the HOF as long as he stayed healthy ...

Thanks, that what I mean.

[USCTrojan83]

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Its obvious the jump that took place in the 90's to now. There is nothing that can be done about it though. The only thing i would say is that any players that are caught should have a asteric to their name.

Completely agree...Asterisk, because youll never know over what period they took roids...

And Rose was a Player/Manager when he was racking up his hits to pass Cobb...and He was betting on the game at the time affecting the game's outcome ...If you wipe records clean now you wipe them away for ALL ERA's...Baseball was tainted before most of us even knew the game existed...this isnt the first time and it probably wont be the last

Baseball has never been a pure sport and will continue not to be...Because when money is involved many people will try to find an advantage to make a beneficial gain over others, to increase their wealth. Wether it be sports, politics, business and the likes people will find a way to make a buck...

[mjb2124]

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baseball never checked, nor had it in the rules (I believe)...was it right for players to take them? Hell no, but I like to think the rules of the game should have expressly prohibited them. When they have stuff that prohibits spitballs and the like, you'd think they'd have had room for steroids too.

No it never did have it in the rules, but they were illegal in the US. Which is a complete brain twister for me anyway. How the heck can something be illegal in this country, yet not be technically illegal in baseball?

The more I think about the current state of this game, the more depressed I become.

[mgoblue]

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No it never did have it in the rules, but they were illegal in the US. Which is a complete brain twister for me anyway. How the heck can something be illegal in this country, yet not be technically illegal in baseball?

The more I think about the current state of this game, the more depressed I become.

I agree with you...pure idiocy, just the MLB not wanting to fight the players union to get steroids in the rules I think...just frustrating though, i don't want to hear about all this, and nor do I want to have to decide if some records are legit or not, it's a total shame

[Freelance]

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No it never did have it in the rules, but they were illegal in the US. Which is a complete brain twister for me anyway. How the heck can something be illegal in this country, yet not be technically illegal in baseball?

The more I think about the current state of this game, the more depressed I become.

Good point. It's illegal to own a nuclear weapon in the U.S., but baseball has never stated that, so players can pack nukes in their locker?

[Jimplication]

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I don't understand how these steroid users are exempt from the law either.

If Chipper Jones was caught using heroine, would he be exempt from the law, and instead be punished by MLB, as per their substance abuse policy? The same one steroid users are punished by?

Hopefully not, but it does seem that MLB is able to somehow exempt its players from the law for using illegal substances.

Steroids are illegal; so is heroine, cocaine, and PCP. I fail to see how athletes can use one, be exempt from the law, get a slap on the wrist from Major League Baseball, and go on with their lives.

Either MLB has two policies; one for steroid abuse, and another for "hard" drugs, or they have one policy that encompasses all drug usage. And regardless of which it is (I honestly don't know), MLB should be ashamed of itself.

[mgoblue]

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Good point. It's illegal to own a nuclear weapon in the U.S., but baseball has never stated that, so players can pack nukes in their locker?

they'd be charged by the police, but baseball wouldn't care if you had nukes in your locker...just like they didn't care if you used steroids, sure, you could get arrested and charged, but then you'd deal with fines and/or jail time. Never would you face suspension in the past.

[USCTrojan83]

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I cant agree with you guys more...

It makes me sick the slap on the wrist for these types of things. But then again the MLB is dealing with probably the strongest Union in America. But thats not excuse. Heck send them to jail. a 10 day suspension is going to fix anything in a 162 game season. For some of these guys the loss of 50-100,000 grand is laughable. Its a sad time for baseball. But baseball will find a way out of this hole as they did with McGwire-Sosa Derby...hopefully this time it wont be an illegal one

[Stu]

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Steroids are illegal; so is heroine, cocaine, and PCP. I fail to see how athletes can use one, be exempt from the law, get a slap on the wrist from Major League Baseball, and go on with their lives.

Obviously there should be some punishment but you can't compare Steroids to hardcore drugs, because it's a different drug classification. The penalty would be nothing more than a slap on the wrist.

Steroids are illegal but they aren't nuclear weapons and they aren't hardcore drugs. With all the other things athletes get away with, steroid use is somewhat minor in comparison.

[SPTO]

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Erod I completely agree with you here. The records are so tainted now that it's hard not to be skeptical when a record is broken. I think the last truly innocent year in MLB in terms of this kind of stuff was 1985.

I hate having to quote Jay Marioti but his words echo my sentiments: "If Maris' record has an asterisk beside it then the records of these juiced players should have an asterisk that barely fits a room."