Which is Easier to Do?

[csc]

hit a sacrifice fly or a sacrifice bunt?

Premise for the question:

I'm in a fantasy baseball league currently Sacrifice Bunts are credited with 1 point and Sacrifice flys are credited with ZERO. I told the commish that they are essentially the same and that they should be worth the same...he disagrees...he says Sac. Bunts are harder to do so they are worth more.


what do you guys think?

[TheLetterZ]

Re: Which is Easier to Do?

Definitely sacrifice bunts. If you look at the success rates, sacrifice bunts are usually done pretty easily.

[csc]

Re: Which is Easier to Do?

Definitely sacrifice bunts. If you look at the success rates, sacrifice bunts are usually done pretty easily.

you wouldn't happen to have a site that shows these success rates? btw, I believe...I'd just to have something to hit my co-commish with...other than my foot.

[csc]

Re: Which is Easier to Do?

here's my thinking....arguably hitting a major league baseball is the toughest thing to do in all of sports...so basically you have to first get some wood on the ball...and second you have to hit it far enough into the outfield to advance the runner...and when you bunt all you're doing is blocking the ball into the dirt.

another thing...I haven't played baseball in 15 years...but if you asked me to step into the batters box and attempt to hit 5 Sac Flys and 5 Sac Bunt...I have a feeling that I will be able to reach my sac. bunt goal in less attempts than the sac. flys.

keep in mind I'm not saying hitting a sac. bunt is easy...I just don't think its harder to do so.

[GBrushTWood]

Re: Which is Easier to Do?

I think having sac bunts count in a fantasy baseball league is arguably one of the dumber things I've heard.

How in the world does that make playing the game fun? Do you actually look around and cheer when you see one of your players bunted?? When I see a highlight or look through a boxscore, the first thing I want to know is if my players hit a friggin home run or drove in some runs. None of this sac bunt or fly garbage. There's literally no point to sac flies anyway, it's covered under RBI's...

[csc]

Re: Which is Easier to Do?

I think having sac bunts count in a fantasy baseball league is arguably one of the dumber things I've heard.

I agree...but if you're going to reward sac. bunts you should reward sac flys...they should be valued the same.....that was my argument...

[dkgojackets]

Re: Which is Easier to Do?

Id say sac flies are much harder, plus you score runs with sac flies, while guys that bunt are usually guys that cant get it deep enough consistently for a sac fly

[csc]

Re: Which is Easier to Do?

well...you can advance runners with the use of a sac fly....happens everyday.

[Blzer]

Re: Which is Easier to Do?

well...you can advance runners with the use of a sac fly....happens everyday.

A sacrifice fly is only credited if a runner scores on your at bat.

You're right in terms of the latter half of your statement (to the original poster): sacrifice bunts are easier to do, for multiple reasons. One being that it's more common when the situation calls for it. You can do it with runners on 1st and/or 2nd base, and... well, yeah.

A sacrifice fly, on the other hand, isn't necessarily always intentional. With a sacrifice bunt, you're giving yourself away... giving up your at bat to get the runner over so your next player can potentially knock him in with a sacrifice fly.


But, I agree with the point system in your fantasy league. Sacrifice flies already give you the RBI, sacrifice bunts don't.



Very complicating, but it doesn't mean that more points should be credited for a more difficult thing. Take triples and home runs for example: statistically speaking, triples are much harder to hit. But, are they worth more?

Think about it.

[dce1228]

Re: Which is Easier to Do?

hit a sacrifice fly or a sacrifice bunt?

Premise for the question:

I'm in a fantasy baseball league currently Sacrifice Bunts are credited with 1 point and Sacrifice flys are credited with ZERO. I told the commish that they are essentially the same and that they should be worth the same...he disagrees...he says Sac. Bunts are harder to do so they are worth more.


what do you guys think?

How many points are RBI's worth in your league... because if you hit a sac fly there's your reward right there??

[kweiss]

Re: Which is Easier to Do?

Sac bunt is easier without a doubt.

Think about it. If a player squares around to bunt in order to move the runner over, and he doesn't lay the bunt down, it's "he's got to know how to lay down a sac bunt," feeling. He is expected to lay down the bunt, no exceptions. He already knows he is going to make contact, it's just a matter of not bunting it directly at the pitcher.

Sac fly on the other hand, not only do you have to worry about making contact, something that's pretty much guaranteed when you bunt, but you also have to make solid contact hard enough to get it out of the infield, and in the back of your mind you're worrying about grounding out.

Either way, having sac bunts in a fantasy league is pretty stupid.

[csc]

Re: Which is Easier to Do?

A sacrifice fly is only credited if a runner scores on your at bat.

You're right in terms of the latter half of your statement (to the original poster): sacrifice bunts are easier to do, for multiple reasons. One being that it's more common when the situation calls for it. You can do it with runners on 1st and/or 2nd base, and... well, yeah.

A sacrifice fly, on the other hand, isn't necessarily always intentional. With a sacrifice bunt, you're giving yourself away... giving up your at bat to get the runner over so your next player can potentially knock him in with a sacrifice fly.


But, I agree with the point system in your fantasy league. Sacrifice flies already give you the RBI, sacrifice bunts don't.



Very complicating, but it doesn't mean that more points should be credited for a more difficult thing. Take triples and home runs for example: statistically speaking, triples are much harder to hit. But, are they worth more?

Think about it.

so advancing the runner due to a fly ball hit deep in the outfield is not known as a Sacrifice fly? What is it called as? Because it isn't credited as an official at bat.

[Bamafan3723]

Re: Which is Easier to Do?

It's got to be the bunt. I mean come on, it's a bunt. It amazes me that some Major Leaguers can't lay down a sac bunt. There's no excuse for it. It's like an NBA player missing a FT.

[SPTO]

Re: Which is Easier to Do?

I'd say sac fly simply for the fact that the art of the sac bunt is all but dead. You don't see many guys making a living on it like Rod Carew did. The sac bunt is so rare these days that it was a shock to see Giambi try to lay down a bunt yesterday.

In theory tho the sac bunt is a lot easier if you know how to pull it off.

[lkreb6135]

Re: Which is Easier to Do?

To turn it around it also depends on the batter. For example, a player in the meat of the lineup 3,4,5,6 these guys i figure would have an easier time hitting a sac fly. Why you ask, because they don't practice bunting. They do roughly two bunts not even trying to square around in BP. To me it all depends on practice and perspective hitters abilities. To the average Joe six pack we look and see that bunting a major league pitcher would be a lot easier but i bet if you ask the major league players they would give you a lot of mixed reviews. The 3, 4, 5, 6 guys probably never bunted in their whole baseball career, but i can promise you they could hit a fly ball when they wanted.