Which is Easier to Do?

[X*Cell]

Re: Which is Easier to Do?

I like the 5 attempts at both argument...

Getting a sac bunt down is much easier than hitting the ball 280 feet away...

but making a sac bunt worth 1 and the other 0 makes sense, because all of the time, when sac bunts are attempted, they are intentional... sac flies however are mistakes... they are simply a flyout like any other at bat, but there happened to be a runner on 3rd base.

Basically...

Sac Bunt = Intentional
Sac Fly = Mistake that got you an RBI

Which is why Sac Fly shouldn't get a point because you are achieving that point in your RBI total...

but, this is the argument the commish should have made, because his argument was 100% wrong and foolish.

[SPTO]

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when sac bunts are attempted, they are intentional... sac flies however are mistakes... they are simply a flyout like any other at bat, but there happened to be a runner on 3rd base.

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I can see your point but I have to disagree to a certain extent. Sac Flies aren't a mistake IMO. I've often seen guys deliberately trying to get the ball in the air to advance a runner from 2nd or 3rd. Often times i'd hear from the announcers that it was a good piece of hitting by advancing the runners. Sure most of the time you'd want a base hit but's it better then grounding out or striking out.

[csc]

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I can see your point but I have to disagree to a certain extent. Sac Flies aren't a mistake IMO. I've often seen guys deliberately trying to get the ball in the air to advance a runner from 2nd or 3rd. Often times i'd hear from the announcers that it was a good piece of hitting by advancing the runners. Sure most of the time you'd want a base hit but's it better then grounding out or striking out.

yeah i agree....I think its more intentional than it looks...I'm sure the players would rather hit 400 feet...but for the most part I think that they are actually trying to hit far enough to advance the runner.

[csc]

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To turn it around it also depends on the batter. For example, a player in the meat of the lineup 3,4,5,6 these guys i figure would have an easier time hitting a sac fly. Why you ask, because they don't practice bunting. They do roughly two bunts not even trying to square around in BP. To me it all depends on practice and perspective hitters abilities. To the average Joe six pack we look and see that bunting a major league pitcher would be a lot easier but i bet if you ask the major league players they would give you a lot of mixed reviews. The 3, 4, 5, 6 guys probably never bunted in their whole baseball career, but i can promise you they could hit a fly ball when they wanted.

it actually happens more often than you think....it just never makes the highlight reel...except for last night...Joe Maur hit a sac bunt...last week Burnitz did it twice...and I've seen Derek Lee do it a couple times this year as well (why I have no idea...but then again I think Dusty Baker is an idiot)

[Blzer]

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so advancing the runner due to a fly ball hit deep in the outfield is not known as a Sacrifice fly? What is it called as? Because it isn't credited as an official at bat.

Actually, it is. That's why I get pissed whenever it's not considered one.

There should be sacrifice groundouts too. When you hit a grounder to the right side to move the runner over, you're taking an at bat to move the runner over... just like a bunt, just like a fly ball. Oh well.

[Blzer]

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it actually happens more often than you think....it just never makes the highlight reel...except for last night...Joe Maur hit a sac bunt...last week Burnitz did it twice...and I've seen Derek Lee do it a couple times this year as well (why I have no idea...but then again I think Dusty Baker is an idiot)

To add on to this, last year through at least 30 games the Giants only had one sacrifice fly.

[dieselboy]

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I think it depends on the player.

But at the same time, Adam Dunn can't hit sac flies, despite the fact that he seems like the perfect type of batter.

[lkreb6135]

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To add on to this, last year through at least 30 games the Giants only had one sacrifice fly.

I add to this comment how many sac bunts occured during the same time. It all depends on what situation had arose during that time period. I bet you that in the American League there are more Sac Flies then Sac bunts. NL is not fair because pitchers are always going to bunt when given an opportunity. Now by what you guys are saying sac bunts would win by a landslide because not only are their more opportunities to lay down a sac bunt to move a runner along but it is also easier.

[Blzer]

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True. I'm not saying which is more common, I'm saying which is easier. HOWEVER, I pointed out that, well, the Giants pretty much lead the world in runnners left in scoring position, and it's because they can't complete the easy project of knocking the runner in... not necessarily by getting a hit, but just by a sacrifice fly. I mean... 1 in 30 games!?

[Blzer]

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I bet you that in the American League there are more Sac Flies then Sac bunts.

While the NL does in fact have more sac bunts, lookie here:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/...38&season=2004

In 2004 the White Sox, Angels, Tigers, Indiands, and Twins all had more sacrifice bunts than sacrifice flies. Now, that's without pitchers. This year, it only seems to so far be Kansas City, but to even see one AL team have more sac bunts than sac flies, to you, should be astonishing, correct?

[Angel_Fan]

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While the NL does in fact have more sac bunts, lookie here:

Thats because theres no DH in the NL and you have the pitcher usually bunting.

The bunt is easier to do you dont swing, just have the ball hit the bat. I have played baseball for a while also and it isnt tough to bunt the ball.

But a sac fly, has to be deep enough and in the air which makes it tough, and even if it is deep enough, the guy could still throw you out. You have a better shot with a sac bunt.

[Blzer]

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Thats because theres no DH in the NL and you have the pitcher usually bunting.

Umm... I know that, that's why I'm pointing this out.

The bunt is easier to do you dont swing, just have the ball hit the bat. I have played baseball for a while also and it isnt tough to bunt the ball.

But a sac fly, has to be deep enough and in the air which makes it tough, and even if it is deep enough, the guy could still throw you out. You have a better shot with a sac bunt.

Umm... I know that, that's why I'm pointing this out.

[Lintyfresh85]

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hmm, in high school I think it was easier for me to hit a sac fly because I really only had warning track power so most of my outs were medium ranged fly balls. The only time I was asked to sac bunt I got it down, but I was very nervous doing it, and the pressure trying to put the barrel on the ball and put it in the right position is very hard to do IMO.

[lkreb6135]

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While the NL does in fact have more sac bunts, lookie here:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/...38&season=2004

In 2004 the White Sox, Angels, Tigers, Indiands, and Twins all had more sacrifice bunts than sacrifice flies. Now, that's without pitchers. This year, it only seems to so far be Kansas City, but to even see one AL team have more sac bunts than sac flies, to you, should be astonishing, correct?

It would not be astonishing considering i said that there are more sac flies than sac bunts. I never said anything about teams. You can't take one team and make an assumption. You must take the teams as a whole. And just because the pitchers bunt more doesn't mean that it is easier. Its what they practice more.

[csc]

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Actually, it is. That's why I get pissed whenever it's not considered one.

There should be sacrifice groundouts too. When you hit a grounder to the right side to move the runner over, you're taking an at bat to move the runner over... just like a bunt, just like a fly ball. Oh well.

in our league....last year anyway...Sac Flys (meaning advancing the runner to any base with a fly ball) was credited as a Sac Fly...and given a point. And this season it isn't but Sac. Bunts are...which IMO are the same thing.