Which is Easier to Do?

[Blzer]

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I didn't say ANYTHING about anybody doing anything more. I said... even on the first page... that sacrifice bunting is easier and why it is.

[Blzer]

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in our league....last year anyway...Sac Flys (meaning advancing the runner to any base with a fly ball) was credited as a Sac Fly...and given a point. And this season it isn't but Sac. Bunts are...which IMO are the same thing.

Heh, strange. Yes, I do agree that they're the same thing (to an extent).

Remember, the sacrifice fly, unless controlled, isn't necessarily giving yourself up, exploiting yourself as an out, giving up an at bat to attempt to move a runner over. It's a swing. Perhaps you got robbed of a home run... I'm sure you weren't just trying to get the ball in the air.

Besides that, like I said, you also get the RBI. I'm not even sure if a sac bunt should count, but I do agree with the sac fly shouldn't count.

At the same time, when the time calls for it, the sac bunt is much easier to perform.

[lkreb6135]

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I didn't say ANYTHING about anybody doing anything more. I said... even on the first page... that sacrifice bunting is easier and why it is.

Yea, but i am saying it is not true. One way to look at it would be looking at Sac bunts compared to sac flies. You can look at the numbers and see that if the sac bunt was so easy that there would be alot more sac bunts then there are. Now i understand that different managers have different ideas about how to score runs. One being station to station, the other would be to manufacture. But true or not are there more opportunities to lay down a sac bunt then to achieve a sac fly? I would say it would be sac bunting. If it was easy to bunt in relation to hitting a flyball i am sure managers would be doing it constantly to get into scoring position. In reality it is not though. It is rather difficult.

If you need to put down a bunt when needed how many players are you truely confident in to get it down. I know i am a sox fan and the only two i know would be Scotty Pods and Tadihito. but if i know i need a fly ball to score the tieing run i feel confident in Tadihito, Konerko, Everett, Dye, Uribe, A.J., and Crede king of the popups. Now that is nearly the whole lineup. to me it seems that it is easier to hit a flyball.

[Blzer]

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Yea, but i am saying it is not true. One way to look at it would be looking at Sac bunts compared to sac flies. You can look at the numbers and see that if the sac bunt was so easy that there would be alot more sac bunts then there are. Now i understand that different managers have different ideas about how to score runs. One being station to station, the other would be to manufacture. But true or not are there more opportunities to lay down a sac bunt then to achieve a sac fly? I would say it would be sac bunting. If it was easy to bunt in relation to hitting a flyball i am sure managers would be doing it constantly to get into scoring position. In reality it is not though. It is rather difficult.

No, I think they just have more confidence in their players getting the runner over any other way possible. Otherwise, they shouldn't be in the majors.

Now, I wish there was a statistic that represents the success rate in sacrifice bunts. It has to be over 93% at least. Sacrifice flies can't necessarily be tested like that because you can't tell when they're "giving themselves up" to try and hit the fly ball or not. But, let me tell you, it's much harder to try and hit a fly ball deep enough to score a run than to try and place a ball in fair ground that's in a good enough position to move a runner over.



Don't look at those statistics... I was just showing the guy that even ONE American League team has more sacrifice bunts than sacrifice flies, let alone five. They shouldn't even be close according to how he said it. Obviously, they do use it a lot, especially when Chicago had 16 more sac bunts than sac flies. When he said he bet me that no AL team had more sac bunts than sac flies... well... he lost his bet.

That's all the link was for, nothing more.





The rest of my posts basically say that... well... the success rate of performing a sac bunt over a sac fly is much bigger. Even though you can't determine success rate of sac flies for teams, ask any Giant how they would have rather had their 573 ground balls to 474 fly balls with R.I.S.P. last year switched if they had the choice. Well... they do; just hit the damn fly ball and score the runner. Oh wait, it's not that easy.

[lkreb6135]

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Now, I wish there was a statistic that represents the success rate in sacrifice bunts. It has to be over 93% at least. Sacrifice flies can't necessarily be tested like that because you can't tell when they're "giving themselves up" to try and hit the fly ball or not. But, let me tell you, it's much harder to try and hit a fly ball deep enough to score a run than to try and place a ball in fair ground that's in a good enough position to move a runner over.



Don't look at those statistics... I was just showing the guy that even ONE American League team has more sacrifice bunts than sacrifice flies, let alone five. They shouldn't even be close according to how he said it. Obviously, they do use it a lot, especially when Chicago had 16 more sac bunts than sac flies. When he said he bet me that no AL team had more sac bunts than sac flies... well... he lost his bet.

I am sorry but you just pulled that stat out of nowhere I promise you it that a sac bunt does not have a success rate of 93%. If this was true teams would have a sure way to get a runner in scoring position. Every time a runner is on base and that is simply not true. And if you would look at my previous post i never said that no Al Team had more sac bunts than sac flies.

I quote, "I bet you that in the American League there are more Sac Flies then Sac bunts." Go check if you don't believe me. Where in that sentence do you see the word team.

But i guess we will agree to disagree. I am just going to watch the Cubs lose now.

[Blzer]

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Okay, I see what you said. I thought you meant teams individually, not the entire American League. OF COURSE there are more sac flies than bunts total. If there weren't, that would be pretty awesome to prove a point about sac flies being so difficult.



Here's my main point in this entire thread, though: Sacrifice bunts are easier to maneuver than sacrifice flies, and this poll itself should be over a 93% difference between the two topics.

[csc]

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Heh, strange. Yes, I do agree that they're the same thing (to an extent).

Remember, the sacrifice fly, unless controlled, isn't necessarily giving yourself up, exploiting yourself as an out, giving up an at bat to attempt to move a runner over. It's a swing. Perhaps you got robbed of a home run... I'm sure you weren't just trying to get the ball in the air.

Besides that, like I said, you also get the RBI. I'm not even sure if a sac bunt should count, but I do agree with the sac fly shouldn't count.

At the same time, when the time calls for it, the sac bunt is much easier to perform.

personally I think they should be worth equal value...because you can get an RBI with a sac bunt as well...and I don't think its fair that you get 2 points for scoring a run with a sac bunt as opposed to 1 point with a sac fly.

[Lintyfresh85]

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still think it was easier for me to hit a fly than lay down a great bunt.

[csc]

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still think it was easier for me to hit a fly than lay down a great bunt.

but the question is could your fly ball advance the runner?...I think you'd have to hit an extremely poor bunt to not be able to advance the runner.

[Blzer]

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personally I think they should be worth equal value...because you can get an RBI with a sac bunt as well...and I don't think its fair that you get 2 points for scoring a run with a sac bunt as opposed to 1 point with a sac fly.

There aren't really any sacrifice bunts that score a runner, just moving one over. One that scores a run is normally (or almost always) done by a suicide squeeze. Yes, it is considered a sacrifice because you technically sacrifice your at bat to advance a runner; however, this is a play where the runner is breaking for home on the pitch, the bunt is shown late and MUST be put on the ground in play.

See if there's a point thing for a squeeze play. If not, that's okay, because two points is enough I guess. The squeeze is MUCH harder than either a sacrifice bunt or a sacrifice fly, because everything must fall into play perfectly on that one pitch, not on the entire at bat.

[csc]

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There aren't really any sacrifice bunts that score a runner, just moving one over. One that scores a run is normally (or almost always) done by a suicide squeeze. Yes, it is considered a sacrifice because you technically sacrifice your at bat to advance a runner; however, this is a play where the runner is breaking for home on the pitch, the bunt is shown late and MUST be put on the ground in play.

See if there's a point thing for a squeeze play. If not, that's okay, because two points is enough I guess. The squeeze is MUCH harder than either a sacrifice bunt or a sacrifice fly, because everything must fall into play perfectly on that one pitch, not on the entire at bat.

well...there is just a squeeze play...and then theres a suicide squeeze...same result (assuming they both score) just that the runner isn't running with the pitch.

[mjb2124]

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well...there is just a squeeze play...and then theres a suicide squeeze...same result (assuming they both score) just that the runner isn't running with the pitch.

Safety squeeze is what I think you are referring to.

Safety Squeeze - Runner waits until the ball is bunted and if it's bunted in a good spot (down either line) he goes home.

Suicide Squeeze - Runner breaks on pitchers windup and is going no matter what.

[TheLetterZ]

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How are sacrifice flies actually winning this poll?

[bryan_05]

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For me personally, playing in HS, I found a sac fly to be much, much harder.

[csc]

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Safety squeeze is what I think you are referring to.

Safety Squeeze - Runner waits until the ball is bunted and if it's bunted in a good spot (down either line) he goes home..

right...I couldn't remember the proper name for it.