Manny a steroider?

**ExtremeGamer** · 08-30-2005, 05:49 AM

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I would be stunned if Manny was on roids, especially since I watched him come up here in Cleveland. The guy has played exactly the same, and put up the exact same numbers for over 10 years now. Manny would be one of the last guys in MLB I would suspect, so I'm guessing either Bichette is upset, or like someone else said, he's talking about Carl Everett.

**Motown** · 08-30-2005, 12:47 PM

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Hmm, That explains the Baggy Uni that he wears!

**ehh** · 08-30-2005, 12:58 PM

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I've said since '97 that he's the best pure hitter in baseball. There is no way in hell he's on the juice. And this is coming from a diehard Yankee fan.

**SidVish** · 08-30-2005, 02:33 PM

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[QUOTE=ehh]I've said since '97 that he's the best pure hitter in baseball. There is no way in hell he's on the juice. And this is coming from a diehard Yankee fan.[/QUOTE

How can you say that for sure? Nobody knows or will ever know who's on 'roids or was on them unless they get caught now. I will never look at a baseball game the same anymore. If Palmiero's on the juice, who does that leave out. On second thought, I think David Eckstein's in the clear.

**Thrasha** · 08-30-2005, 03:01 PM

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I'd be stunned if he was a roids user.

I know that not every performance enhancing drug out there turns you into a body builder, but if anyone has seen the 2004 World Champion SI Magazine thing they did, you can see a picture of Manny shirtless. And he doesn't look a whole lot behind Boomer in the gut department.

Again I know they don't all make you ripped, but I think Manny is just a freak, who has perfected his swing, studies the game/pitchers, and has the natural ability to just plain out hit.

**ehh** · 08-30-2005, 08:58 PM

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[QUOTE=nowitzki41]

Originally posted by ehh

I've said since '97 that he's the best pure hitter in baseball. There is no way in hell he's on the juice. And this is coming from a diehard Yankee fan.[/QUOTE

How can you say that for sure? Nobody knows or will ever know who's on 'roids or was on them unless they get caught now. I will never look at a baseball game the same anymore. If Palmiero's on the juice, who does that leave out. On second thought, I think David Eckstein's in the clear.

Because of his swing, approach at the plate, ability to hit the ball to all field with power. That's natural talent. How often do you see steriod guys (either accused or tons of speculation) with power to all fields?

Giambi? Hell no
Bonds? Rarely
Palmerio? No
Sheffield? No
Bret Boone? No

That's why I'm convinced guys like Manny, A-Rod and Ortiz aren't on the juice.

**SidVish** · 08-30-2005, 09:13 PM

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[QUOTE=ehh]

Originally posted by nowitzki41

Because of his swing, approach at the plate, ability to hit the ball to all field with power. That's natural talent. How often do you see steriod guys (either accused or tons of speculation) with power to all fields?

Giambi? Hell no
Bonds? Rarely
Palmerio? No
Sheffield? No
Bret Boone? No

That's why I'm convinced guys like Manny, A-Rod and Ortiz aren't on the juice.

I guess you can be convinced and that's fine. All I'm saying is without proof I don't know and will never be convinced.

**SportsTop** · 08-30-2005, 09:36 PM

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[QUOTE=ehh]

Originally posted by nowitzki41

Because of his swing, approach at the plate, ability to hit the ball to all field with power. That's natural talent. How often do you see steriod guys (either accused or tons of speculation) with power to all fields?

Giambi? Hell no
Bonds? Rarely
Palmerio? No
Sheffield? No
Bret Boone? No

That's why I'm convinced guys like Manny, A-Rod and Ortiz aren't on the juice.

I know you caveated your Bonds inclusion with "rarely", but the man has power to all fields.

Just to throw a wrench into your argument.......how do you explain Sammy Sosa. That man had more power (and hit more opposite field HRs) than any other player to the opposite field.

**ehh** · 08-31-2005, 08:23 AM

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[QUOTE=Squint]

Originally posted by ehh

I know you caveated your Bonds inclusion with "rarely", but the man has power to all fields.

Just to throw a wrench into your argument.......how do you explain Sammy Sosa. That man had more power (and hit more opposite field HRs) than any other player to the opposite field.

Good points.

I guess Sosa is the exception, I can't explain him. But Bonds also could fit into the A-Rod/Manny type class because we all know Bonds was arguably the best player in baseball before he started looking like a linebacker. He also has that amazing natural talent. He was a great hitter w.o steriods and prolly woulda made the HOF even if he never juiced.

**joeysosa** · 09-03-2005, 01:00 PM

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If people just without thought say that Bonds is a steroider (which, of course he is) then I have no idea why people just shut down the argument when someone suggests that Manny and Ortiz are steroiders. I mean, look at these people. Of course they are.

Lets face it, the media HATES Barry Bonds because he refuses to talk to them and has a mighty ego (which he well deserved) and the media LOVES Manny and Ortiz, especially Ortiz. Every time Ortiz hits a 450 footer, its because of "sheer" strength. Every time Bonds gets a base hit, its because of steroids.

I've noticed something. This whole year, people have been starting to point out that Bonds isn't even a good baseball player. People have forgotten what it's like to watch this guy play because of this year's injury. We've seen so much Manny and so little Bonds. If you say Bonds shouldn't be a HOF, you gotta be joking. The guy has had 703 HRs, 1843 RBIs, .300 career average, 2302 walks, over 500 STOLEN BASES, 8 time Gold Glove winner, and 7 MVPs (Including the last four, and would've been this year too if he wasn't injured). I don't care if the guy warped to the future, grabbed DNA from the most accomplished athletes in the world and put them into his own, you cant deny those stats. Guys lets face it, a great majority of the league takes steroids. As much as you don't wanna admit it, A Rod does, your precious Manny and Ortiz do, Gary Sheffield does, the good boy Giambi does, and about 80% of the rest of the league does. We keep saying "Oh no, he can't take steroids, he's too good and respected, Canseco is a liar" and all that crap, while one by one it's coming out that they all do. Just like with Palmiero who was one of the most loved players and everyone denied he did it. Guess what, cat's out of the bag. Thats why I don't think people in this era should be punished one by one, but the league as a whole. Cause lets face it, the people who decide who won't be in the HOF or not is ESPN, cause its all in their power to manipulate the minds of the people, and the MLB gives the people what they want.

Ridiculous.