MLB NEEDS instant replay

[Silverstring]

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If the pitcher & catcher aren't penalized on the 1st or 2nd strike, why are they penalized on the 3rd?

The finality of the third strike. Would you support the rule being extended to all three strikes? From the oppositional perspective, applying it to the third strike only is a FURTHER advantage to the pitcher/catcher. A batter swinging and missing on the first and second strikes has no recourse, while the pitcher and catcher are allowed two opportunities to "screw up" and be "bailed out".

[J0nnD0ugh]

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So what? 99% of the dropped 3rd strikes are hitters swinging @ pitches way out of the strike zone. The batter is being bailed out by being fooled by a trick pitch by the pitcher.

And what "2 opportunities" are you talking about?

[Silverstring]

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So what? 99% of the dropped 3rd strikes are hitters swinging @ pitches way out of the strike zone. The batter is being bailed out by being fooled by a trick pitch by the pitcher.

And what "2 opportunities" are you talking about?

Drops/wild pitches that occur on the first two strikes that the pitchers/catchers are not penalized for dropping/throwing.

If the pitcher needs to make a trick pitch to strike out a batter, the rule provides a balancing of risk/reward.

[ex carrabba fan]

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alright i have once again changed my mind. the ball did not hit the ground i am now convinced, though i am pretty cooled off about the whole situation; and am just ready for game 3.

maybe mlb needed this though, as the final straw to prevent these things from happening again. since it happened in primetime and was so sensationalized by the media (espn) its assumed that replay will get serious consideration in the off season.

[CoRruPt-]

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I'm not going to comment on the play, but what exactly was the 3rd base ump doing while that's going on? Of all people, he should've had the best view of that play, and apparently, he's sleeping.

[ehh]

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alright i have once again changed my mind. the ball did not hit the ground i am now convinced, though i am pretty cooled off about the whole situation; and am just ready for game 3.

maybe mlb needed this though, as the final straw to prevent these things from happening again. since it happened in primetime and was so sensationalized by the media (espn) its assumed that replay will get serious consideration in the off season.

The umpires said in the press conference that they looked at the replays and there wasn't conclusive evidence to determine the ball was caught. If there was replay in last night's game, it still would have been ruled the same.

The issue is the umpire's call/hand gestures/verbal gestures. That's what was a mess.

[rubisco43]

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Although I'm convinced that the ball was caught, I'm not in favor in instant replay. It would slow down the game even more than it already is.

[bronxct1]

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i turned on the game last night when he was already on first and they were showing the replay from a dead centerfield view. to me it looked like he trapped the ball. you could see the glove around the ball before he caught it, but the ball popped up which i think is where it hit the ground, then he closed the glove on it.

i think it hit the ground, but the umpires mechanics were messed up. i watched the feature on espn and the ump was pumping his fist for EVERY strike, not just 3rd strikes. obviously it looks like he didnt make a verbal call to say he was out.

weird situation

[Kelvarr]

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Now, I didn't see the play, nor have I seen a replay of it yet...but why is nobody faulting the Angels. Everyone is saying they got screwed. Well, what I want to know is....

Why didn't the Angels do what every single little-leaguer in the country is taught? You ALWAYS finish a play. Never assume anything until the Umpire says you are out. If you get thrown out on a base, but the umpire never calls it, you are taught to stay on the base until he tells you. You are taught to always run full speed through First Base. On a dropped 3rd strike, you always attempt to tag the runner out or throw to first base (being a former catcher and umpire, I can attest to this on particularly). If the Angels had finished the play like they should have, then this would have been a non-issue.

In the case of a dropped 3rd strike, the umpire must signal that the pitch was a strike, but he is not required to signal an out if one was not made. So, the batter swings and misses, or the catcher drops it...the umpire signals the strike, but does not signal the out until the runner is either tagged or thrown out at first, or voluntarily gives himself up by walking towards the dugout.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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I agree the catcher should get some blame. He should have been paying attention & it would hae been an easy toss to 1st.

But the umpire is responsible for getting it correct first. His mistake led to another mistake which led to a SB & then led to game over. His domino was the first to fall.

[aukevin]

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Now, I didn't see the play, nor have I seen a replay of it yet...but why is nobody faulting the Angels. Everyone is saying they got screwed. Well, what I want to know is....

Why didn't the Angels do what every single little-leaguer in the country is taught? You ALWAYS finish a play. Never assume anything until the Umpire says you are out. If you get thrown out on a base, but the umpire never calls it, you are taught to stay on the base until he tells you. You are taught to always run full speed through First Base. On a dropped 3rd strike, you always attempt to tag the runner out or throw to first base (being a former catcher and umpire, I can attest to this on particularly). If the Angels had finished the play like they should have, then this would have been a non-issue.

In the case of a dropped 3rd strike, the umpire must signal that the pitch was a strike, but he is not required to signal an out if one was not made. So, the batter swings and misses, or the catcher drops it...the umpire signals the strike, but does not signal the out until the runner is either tagged or thrown out at first, or voluntarily gives himself up by walking towards the dugout.

I agree. The catcher was suppose to tag the guy. From all the replays I saw there was a signal for strike three but no out called or signaled. A catcher at that level should know to wait for the call. Whether or not the catcher's catch was dropped or trapped (that's what it looks liked to me) or whatever, if you don't here a call out, then you better tag him. The batter understood that rule, the catcher should have been paying more attention.

[ex carrabba fan]

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The umpires said in the press conference that they looked at the replays and there wasn't conclusive evidence to determine the ball was caught. If there was replay in last night's game, it still would have been ruled the same.

The issue is the umpire's call/hand gestures/verbal gestures. That's what was a mess.

i'm done with this issue trust me.. but do you really think the umps are gonna admit they were wrong minutes after the controversy? of course not. if there was replay, and they then decided he trapped it, then there would be nothing to complain about.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Now, I didn't see the play, nor have I seen a replay of it yet...but why is nobody faulting the Angels. Everyone is saying they got screwed. Well, what I want to know is....

Why didn't the Angels do what every single little-leaguer in the country is taught? You ALWAYS finish a play. Never assume anything until the Umpire says you are out. If you get thrown out on a base, but the umpire never calls it, you are taught to stay on the base until he tells you. You are taught to always run full speed through First Base. On a dropped 3rd strike, you always attempt to tag the runner out or throw to first base (being a former catcher and umpire, I can attest to this on particularly). If the Angels had finished the play like they should have, then this would have been a non-issue.

In the case of a dropped 3rd strike, the umpire must signal that the pitch was a strike, but he is not required to signal an out if one was not made. So, the batter swings and misses, or the catcher drops it...the umpire signals the strike, but does not signal the out until the runner is either tagged or thrown out at first, or voluntarily gives himself up by walking towards the dugout.

everyone is saying the angels got screwed? on this board anyway the people who are "for" the angels has stated that we maybe deserved extra innings. that's all we wanted. and i have seen many people who are on the angels side on here post that the catcher does have some responsibility in this mess.

[Kelvarr]

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I agree. The catcher was suppose to tag the guy. From all the replays I saw there was a signal for strike three but no out called or signaled. A catcher at that level should know to wait for the call. Whether or not the catcher's catch was dropped or trapped (that's what it looks liked to me) or whatever, if you don't here a call out, then you better tag him. The batter understood that rule, the catcher should have been paying more attention.

What makes it funny is that the batter was also a catcher.

[Kelvarr]

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everyone is saying the angels got screwed? on this board anyway the people who are "for" the angels has stated that we maybe deserved extra innings. that's all we wanted. and i have seen many people who are on the angels side on here post that the catcher does have some responsibility in this mess.

Sorry...been reading a lot of threads on a lot of different boards regarding this. The overall concensus is that the Angels got screwed. At least this thread recognizes that the Angels are also to blame.