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  • Stoud
    MVP
    • Mar 2003
    • 1259

    #16
    Re: Once again. No love for the White Sox.

    Oh come on. Without Konerko the Sox are done for. No offense or anything.

    The White Sox have a very bright future, and might even finish first next year again, but I highly doubt that. They have alot of things going for them. What they don't have going for them is that they won;t have Konerko, Everett (if I'm right?) or Thomas' power. That is a BIG loss of power that you had last year but won't have this next year. How do you plan to make up for that in an FA market that has absolutely no power hitters with the exception of Konerko, who probably won't return. The Yankees getting rid of Tino tells me they're looking for another first basemen, and I'm willing to bet dime to dollar that Paulie's getting a big contract from NYY. Who else is there on the FA list who can fill in the power gaps? Brian Giles? doesn't really hit for power that much anymore. Mike Piazza? older and worse every year. I can't even think of anyone else in FA with the kind of power that would fill in the major gaps you need. Unless the Sox plan to trade someone or something, they are in for a big suprise. I wish that you could win championships without power. Believe me, I do...I'm an M's fan for crying out loud....but the simple FACT is that you CAN'T.

    you'd think after finally winning the world series you'd be happy for at least the next 50 years just with that one win...but no....you have to go on blaming people for something they're not doing, "dissing the white sox". Telling it like it is is not a freakin diss. It's accepting the truth. How many teams repeat? Especially teams that change as much as the White Sox will this off-season? face the facts man, stop living in denial. Your team is going to be a tough team to beat for years to come, but the likelihood of you're winning the world series again NEXT YEAR or even finishing first is GREATLY diminished.

    Now I know that alot of White Sox fans are going to look at the first few sentences of what I've written and write me off as a "*****", but that's their own frickin problem. How can you be so in denial that you refuse to see the writing on the wall? Come on.

    WAKE UP!!

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    • SportsTop
      The Few. The Proud.
      • Jul 2003
      • 6716

      #17
      Re: Once again. No love for the White Sox.

      Originally posted by camulos
      Whining about being ranked #2 in a poll before Free Agency even begins. God I hate White Sox fans.
      Better yet, how can a sports columnist even write about this with it being 3 1/2 months until spring training?
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      • Graphik
        Pr*s*n*r#70460649
        • Oct 2002
        • 10582

        #18
        Re: Once again. No love for the White Sox.

        Originally posted by Stoud
        Oh come on. Without Konerko the Sox are done for. No offense or anything.

        The White Sox have a very bright future, and might even finish first next year again, but I highly doubt that. They have alot of things going for them. What they don't have going for them is that they won;t have Konerko, Everett (if I'm right?) or Thomas' power. That is a BIG loss of power that you had last year but won't have this next year. How do you plan to make up for that in an FA market that has absolutely no power hitters with the exception of Konerko, who probably won't return. The Yankees getting rid of Tino tells me they're looking for another first basemen, and I'm willing to bet dime to dollar that Paulie's getting a big contract from NYY. Who else is there on the FA list who can fill in the power gaps? Brian Giles? doesn't really hit for power that much anymore. Mike Piazza? older and worse every year. I can't even think of anyone else in FA with the kind of power that would fill in the major gaps you need. Unless the Sox plan to trade someone or something, they are in for a big suprise. I wish that you could win championships without power. Believe me, I do...I'm an M's fan for crying out loud....but the simple FACT is that you CAN'T.

        you'd think after finally winning the world series you'd be happy for at least the next 50 years just with that one win...but no....you have to go on blaming people for something they're not doing, "dissing the white sox". Telling it like it is is not a freakin diss. It's accepting the truth. How many teams repeat? Especially teams that change as much as the White Sox will this off-season? face the facts man, stop living in denial. Your team is going to be a tough team to beat for years to come, but the likelihood of you're winning the world series again NEXT YEAR or even finishing first is GREATLY diminished.

        Now I know that alot of White Sox fans are going to look at the first few sentences of what I've written and write me off as a "*****", but that's their own frickin problem. How can you be so in denial that you refuse to see the writing on the wall? Come on.

        WAKE UP!!

        Good post. I agree even though I'm a Sox fan. The Sox offered Paulie 52 Mil over 4 years yesterday but he's still gonna test FA. If any team can provide a better offer, its NY. They stole my old fav player, Robin Ventura and a few other Sox I cant remember. I hate that Scrooge McDuck bastard Steinbrenner.
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        • deeman11747
          G-M*nnnn
          • Feb 2003
          • 3194

          #19
          Re: Once again. No love for the White Sox.

          Originally posted by Graphik
          Good post. I agree even though I'm a Sox fan. The Sox offered Paulie 52 Mil over 4 years yesterday but he's still gonna test FA. If any team can provide a better offer, its NY. They stole my old fav player, Robin Ventura and a few other Sox I cant remember. I hate that Scrooge McDuck bastard Steinbrenner.
          How did the Yanks steal him? He signed with the Mets in 98 and we traded Justice for him.

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          • Stu
            All Star
            • Jun 2004
            • 7924

            #20
            Re: Once again. No love for the White Sox.

            Originally posted by Graphik
            Good post. I agree even though I'm a Sox fan. The Sox offered Paulie 52 Mil over 4 years yesterday but he's still gonna test FA. If any team can provide a better offer, its NY. They stole my old fav player, Robin Ventura and a few other Sox I cant remember. I hate that Scrooge McDuck bastard Steinbrenner.
            If the White Sox really did offer 52 over 4, that's a pretty fair offer and I would think about in the ballpark of what Konerko was expecting.
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            • Thrasha
              MVP
              • Nov 2004
              • 3374

              #21
              Re: Once again. No love for the White Sox.



              HOW HORRIBLE

              THE WHITE SOX AREN'T RANKED NUMBER 1 IN A 3 MONTH EARLY PRESEASON POLL

              WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TOO!!!!!??!!!?!!!!?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????


              Dear god, White Sox fans are sure making a mad dash to the top of the "Worst Fans In Sports" list.

              I don't really remember a ton of ESPN folks predicting the RS to repeat. Yes they got a lot of coverage, but I remember the Cardinals being the "pick" of choice early on in the year.

              And someone else asked why Ozzie is the main guy seen from the WS, well like someone said, he's the most marketable face on that team (which is pretty sad).

              If anyone saw Podsednik on SNL you'd know he was definitely out of the question. No one sticks out, some say its good, some say it's bad, whatever.

              But again, I am just amazed at the injustice done to the WS and the WS fans world wide. How this could happen is beyond me. How could someone actually rank them second and not first?

              Is the death penalty okay in this situation? I seem to believe it has to be, this is just sickening that such a thing could happen.
              Last edited by Thrasha; 11-10-2005, 06:00 PM.
              “Nobody in the history of the game tried what I just tried. We’re talking about on the biggest stage, in New York, playing out of position and asked to hit fourth for the New York Yankees. I mean, that’s never been done.” - Sheffield on Sheffield

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              • Dice
                Sitting by the door
                • Jul 2002
                • 6627

                #22
                Re: Once again. No love for the White Sox.

                Originally posted by Stoud
                Oh come on. Without Konerko the Sox are done for. No offense or anything.

                The White Sox have a very bright future, and might even finish first next year again, but I highly doubt that. They have alot of things going for them. What they don't have going for them is that they won;t have Konerko, Everett (if I'm right?) or Thomas' power. That is a BIG loss of power that you had last year but won't have this next year. How do you plan to make up for that in an FA market that has absolutely no power hitters with the exception of Konerko, who probably won't return. The Yankees getting rid of Tino tells me they're looking for another first basemen, and I'm willing to bet dime to dollar that Paulie's getting a big contract from NYY. Who else is there on the FA list who can fill in the power gaps? Brian Giles? doesn't really hit for power that much anymore. Mike Piazza? older and worse every year. I can't even think of anyone else in FA with the kind of power that would fill in the major gaps you need. Unless the Sox plan to trade someone or something, they are in for a big suprise. I wish that you could win championships without power. Believe me, I do...I'm an M's fan for crying out loud....but the simple FACT is that you CAN'T.

                you'd think after finally winning the world series you'd be happy for at least the next 50 years just with that one win...but no....you have to go on blaming people for something they're not doing, "dissing the white sox". Telling it like it is is not a freakin diss. It's accepting the truth. How many teams repeat? Especially teams that change as much as the White Sox will this off-season? face the facts man, stop living in denial. Your team is going to be a tough team to beat for years to come, but the likelihood of you're winning the world series again NEXT YEAR or even finishing first is GREATLY diminished.

                Now I know that alot of White Sox fans are going to look at the first few sentences of what I've written and write me off as a "*****", but that's their own frickin problem. How can you be so in denial that you refuse to see the writing on the wall? Come on.

                WAKE UP!!
                I'll be the first to disagree with you. But first let me do my whinning before I get on with my statement:

                AAAHHHH! That felt better...
                ...now back to the topic. Yes, Konerko is a huge lost but what huge change for the White Sox are you referring to besides Paulie? Frank Thomas? That guy didn't even play a 1/4th of the season so he's not major. Carl Everett? He tailed off big-time for the second half of the season so that's not that great. Outside of POSSIBILY loosing Konerko the same White Sox team will be back next year. What made this team the Champs was the pitching and from my knowledge EVERY PITCHER on the staff is returning next year. Finding a replacment for Konerko won't be easy BUT finding a solid starting pitcher is much harder.
                I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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                • BatsareBugs
                  LVP
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 12553

                  #23
                  Re: Once again. No love for the White Sox.

                  He's right about the Padres. Nothing will happen. They will lose all three main F/A's they have (Giles, Hernandez, and Hoffman) and spend money on crappy players and play them over rookies they should be trying out in this rebuilding year.

                  The Padres need a LOT of help if they are to avoid last place next season. They have no offense, Castilla is not the answer. They have no starting pitching outside of Peavy. They also will have a mediocre bullpen because they think that because they had six good pitchers it's okay to keep two-three of them and throw in the Ricky Stone's of the world to fill out the other spot.

                  Pretty much this team is making it's strength last season a weakness and whatever was the problem last year it seems like they don't care about it.

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                  • SPTO
                    binging
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 68046

                    #24
                    Re: Once again. No love for the White Sox.

                    According to Ken Rosenthal, Konerko wants a full no trade clause and the two teams interested in him (Chi-Sox, Angels) aren't willing to give it to him.
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                    • Stoud
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 1259

                      #25
                      Re: Once again. No love for the White Sox.

                      Originally posted by Dice
                      I'll be the first to disagree with you. But first let me do my whinning before I get on with my statement:

                      AAAHHHH! That felt better...
                      ...now back to the topic. Yes, Konerko is a huge lost but what huge change for the White Sox are you referring to besides Paulie? Frank Thomas? That guy didn't even play a 1/4th of the season so he's not major. Carl Everett? He tailed off big-time for the second half of the season so that's not that great. Outside of POSSIBILY loosing Konerko the same White Sox team will be back next year. What made this team the Champs was the pitching and from my knowledge EVERY PITCHER on the staff is returning next year. Finding a replacment for Konerko won't be easy BUT finding a solid starting pitcher is much harder.
                      You're Joking, right?

                      okay...let me get out my little list....

                      A.J. Burnett
                      Kevin Millwood
                      Brett Tomko
                      Jason Schmidt (team option, still haven't heard what's happening here)
                      Sidney Ponson
                      Kenny Rogers
                      Jarrod Washburn
                      Matt Morris
                      Brian Anderson
                      Joe Mays
                      Pedro Astacio

                      now, my list hasn't been updated in a while, but I believe that most of these guys are FA if I'm not mistaken. The only guys in FA who ever hit for power besides Paulie & Giles:

                      Mike Piazza
                      Kevin Millar
                      Tino Martinez
                      Mark Bellhorn
                      Raul Mondesi
                      Bernie Williams
                      Carl Everett
                      Frank Thomas
                      Jeromy Burnitz

                      call me crazy, but I'll take the starter FA's ERA over the low low AVG and power numbers of the hitters in FA.

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                      • Thrasha
                        MVP
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 3374

                        #26
                        Re: Once again. No love for the White Sox.

                        The Giants invoked the club option in Schmidt a week or so ago

                        And yes, the market is very, very slim for power hitters this. Definitely one of the worst FA classes in recent memory.
                        “Nobody in the history of the game tried what I just tried. We’re talking about on the biggest stage, in New York, playing out of position and asked to hit fourth for the New York Yankees. I mean, that’s never been done.” - Sheffield on Sheffield

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                        • soxboy7
                          MVP
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 1541

                          #27
                          Re: Once again. No love for the White Sox.

                          Do I have to distance myself from you again Dice? Please don't whine about being ranked #2. And no matter what the Sox were ranked...WHO CARES!?!? Its a pre free agency ranking, theres no reason to care about it, not to mention get worked up abou it

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                          • Dice
                            Sitting by the door
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 6627

                            #28
                            Re: Once again. No love for the White Sox.

                            Originally posted by Stoud
                            You're Joking, right?

                            okay...let me get out my little list....

                            A.J. Burnett
                            Kevin Millwood
                            Brett Tomko
                            Jason Schmidt (team option, still haven't heard what's happening here)
                            Sidney Ponson
                            Kenny Rogers
                            Jarrod Washburn
                            Matt Morris
                            Brian Anderson
                            Joe Mays
                            Pedro Astacio

                            now, my list hasn't been updated in a while, but I believe that most of these guys are FA if I'm not mistaken. The only guys in FA who ever hit for power besides Paulie & Giles:

                            Mike Piazza
                            Kevin Millar
                            Tino Martinez
                            Mark Bellhorn
                            Raul Mondesi
                            Bernie Williams
                            Carl Everett
                            Frank Thomas
                            Jeromy Burnitz

                            call me crazy, but I'll take the starter FA's ERA over the low low AVG and power numbers of the hitters in FA.
                            Ok. Let's breakdown your list:
                            A.J. Burnett - Can you say OVERRATED? What ever team that signs him will definately overpay him. He' been in the league for 5 season and hasn't won no more than 12 games in a season. PLUS! He's a head case. Florida management told him to go home after an outburst. Sound like a crybaby to me.
                            Kevin Millwood - Cleveland definately overpaid for him. $7 million for a 9-11 pitcher?
                            Brett Tomko - You kidding me, right?
                            Jason Schmidt (team option, still haven't heard what's happening here) - He's off the market. Option was envoked. There goes one quality pitcher.
                            Sidney Ponson - Give me a break! NEXT!
                            Kenny Rogers - Huge head case AND a tool. NEXT!
                            Jarrod Washburn - Ok pitcher. Nothing to get excited over.
                            Matt Morris - Actually a good pitcher for the price the Cards paid for. But I don't see him worth over $2.5 mil.
                            Brian Anderson - Don't get me started. NEXT!
                            Joe Mays - Twins paid $7mil for 5.65 ERA? I don't think so.
                            Pedro Astacio - He's still playing? God I'm hoping he makes the league minimum!

                            So nobody on that list that's even worth half of Paul Konerko's salary. I would have probably considered Schmidt but he's already gone. And not to say that the hitters aren't any better BUT I'd rather overpay for a guy who can potenially still hit for 30 HR's to a guy who hasn't won more than 12 games in a season. Just my opinion.
                            I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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                            • bjf1377
                              Lurker
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 6620

                              #29
                              Re: Once again. No love for the White Sox.

                              Originally posted by Dice
                              Ok. Let's breakdown your list:

                              Kevin Millwood - Cleveland definately overpaid for him. $7 million for a 9-11 pitcher?
                              Well, if you would take the time to not be selective w/ the stats, you would notice he had the best ERA in the AL. It's not his fault he got no run support

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                              • Stoud
                                MVP
                                • Mar 2003
                                • 1259

                                #30
                                Re: Once again. No love for the White Sox.

                                Originally posted by Dice
                                Ok. Let's breakdown your list:
                                A.J. Burnett - Can you say OVERRATED? What ever team that signs him will definately overpay him. He' been in the league for 5 season and hasn't won no more than 12 games in a season. PLUS! He's a head case. Florida management told him to go home after an outburst. Sound like a crybaby to me.
                                Kevin Millwood - Cleveland definately overpaid for him. $7 million for a 9-11 pitcher?
                                Brett Tomko - You kidding me, right?
                                Jason Schmidt (team option, still haven't heard what's happening here) - He's off the market. Option was envoked. There goes one quality pitcher.
                                Sidney Ponson - Give me a break! NEXT!
                                Kenny Rogers - Huge head case AND a tool. NEXT!
                                Jarrod Washburn - Ok pitcher. Nothing to get excited over.
                                Matt Morris - Actually a good pitcher for the price the Cards paid for. But I don't see him worth over $2.5 mil.
                                Brian Anderson - Don't get me started. NEXT!
                                Joe Mays - Twins paid $7mil for 5.65 ERA? I don't think so.
                                Pedro Astacio - He's still playing? God I'm hoping he makes the league minimum!

                                So nobody on that list that's even worth half of Paul Konerko's salary. I would have probably considered Schmidt but he's already gone. And not to say that the hitters aren't any better BUT I'd rather overpay for a guy who can potenially still hit for 30 HR's to a guy who hasn't won more than 12 games in a season. Just my opinion.
                                first of all, I was not comparing them to Paul Konerko, I was comparing them to the next best thing on the list of power hitters in FA.

                                Second, Burnett hasn't even had a chance to prove himself. He's not an amazing pitcher, but I would not be suprised if he won 15 next year w/ well under a 5.00 ERA. You might not consider that to be a "decent pitcher", but most people do. He has the potential to be a big game winner with an even lower ERA, but I won't get into it.

                                Pedro Astacio put up some really good numbers for San Diego at the end of the season. I guess you didn't notice that in Chicago. Do you even pay attention to the rest of the MLB?

                                Kevin Millwood is definitely a ripoff artist, but he put together some solid outings last year. He didn't allow more than 2 runs the entire month of september, and put together 5 straight 6 IP+ 1 ER outings. He never allowed more than 6 Earned Runs once all season, and those times that he did give up 6 ER ammounted to approximately twice. A 2.86 ERA is a big frickin deal. Do not act like it's not. He might not be worth exactly what he wants, but if you need a good starting pitcher, you might be willing to overpay for what he does bring to the club.

                                Brett Tomko....why would you think this was a joke? Did you look at the record again? You do realize that not having a guy like Bonds on your team all year long can put a hurting on your run production, right? a 4.48 ERA is damned respectable ANYWHERE in the West. You can make it work with an ERA like that. Granted he's a 4 or 5 starter, but he's a quality starter for either position. Nobody in their right minds would deny this.

                                Sidney Ponson...I don't like the guy, either....but maybe in a different ballpark he can improve? he's a 4 or 5 guy. You have a point.

                                Kenny Rogers -- okay, who cares if a guy is a headcase? The Yankees are almost always FULL of headcases. who cares?? Just because the media blows it out of proportion doesn't make it a problem. Richie Sexson got a DUI before last season started...then he went and had himself a 39 jack season...does anybody care anymore? nope. Don't be hypocritical. I BEG of you. Rogers is still a great pitcher. He's proven this time and again. 14-8 with a 3.46 ERA, 18-9 last year....you can wirte it off, but it wouldn't be wise.

                                Washburn is the only guy you gave the "OK Pitcher" award, and he went 8-8. What's the deal with that? Yeah he's a good pitcher. Quality 3 or 4 guy.

                                My bad, you gave Matt Morris that award too. Don't see him worth more than 2.5 mil? He's one of the better quality starters in the bunch this year...one of the top 3, I'd say. I'd say he has the potential to make up to $8 mil this post, but most likely around 5 or 6.

                                Brian Anderson...well....the guy used to be okay...but he's gotten progressively worse each year. You might have a point.

                                and finally, Joe Mays...the guy was riding out an existing contract, if I'm right. He had just come back from being on the DL for like 2-3 years. It's to be expected that he won't be exactly on the ball directly right away. For a guy in his situation last year, a 5.65 ERA is actually quite respectible. I wouldn't be suprised if it drops to the high 4's next year, especially on a team with better run production. Good 4 or 5.

                                Point would be...if you can name one guy who has the possibility to hit more than 20 home runs in a season for every one pitcher who has the possibility to pitch in the low 4 ERA's (at least half of the guys above) next year, you MIGHT have a point. Being as how there ARE NO PLAYERS WHO CAN HIT MORE THAN 20 JACKS IN A YEAR ON THE FA LIST, that would be impossible.

                                You can't replace Paulie's power. Not unless you get him back. Getting a guy like Millar might help...but are you willing to hurt your defense that much for the 3rd of the power that konerko offered?

                                I'm not saying the White Sox suck without Konerko. Don't get me wrong, they are a formidable opponent. I'm saying that they'd better learn how to hit for contact and soon if they want to keep winning. I've personally seen how Freddy handles a team like that, and I would not be suprised to see his average get higher and his win totals get lower. The same could easily happen for alot of those pitchers. However, as long as you have Buehrle and Garland and Contreras, there shouldn't be many problems winning. I'm just saying you're not going to win as many games as before with your lowered run support. The Sox could easily win their division again next year, I'll be the first to say it, but even if they do they won't get far in the playoffs.

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