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  • Programmed2Kill
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    • Jul 2002
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    Phillies trying to trade Bobby Abreu

    http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/13137314.htm


    On Baseball | Gillick goes to meetings as man on a few missions

    By Jim Salisbury
    Inquirer Staff Writer


    INDIAN WELLS, Calif. - Anyone who doubted whether 68-year-old Pat Gillick still had the energy to handle the round-the-clock duties of a major-league general manager should have seen him the last four days.

    With a briefcase in his hand, cowboy boots on his feet and a look of purpose on his face, the new Phillies GM was perpetual motion, hustling from one meeting to another in an effort to improve his team.

    "I've got to get to a meeting," a hurried Gillick said after stopping briefly to answer reporters' questions during the final day of the annual general managers' meetings yesterday at the Hyatt Grand Champions Resort.

    Gillick did not reveal much about his four days of meetings, but it was clear that he and his lieutenants were quite busy trying to buff up the team that Gillick thinks needs just five more wins to make the playoffs next season.

    According to executives and agents at the meetings, the Phillies proposed at least one significant trade, got some nibbles on first baseman Jim Thome, and touched base with the representative for A.J. Burnett, the top pitcher on the free-agent market.

    The Phils also continued to plot their strategy should closer Billy Wagner sign elsewhere. Wagner hits the open market today, and word is that the New York Mets are ready to make a big offer, possibly for as many as four years.

    "We come out of here with a lot more information," Gillick said. "Right now, it's like fantasy league. Everybody thinks up possibilities. Things will be more realistic down the road."

    Let's take a closer look at some of the Phillies' activities during the meetings:

    According to one executive, the Phillies discussed a trade that would have sent rightfielder Bobby Abreu to the Toronto Blue Jays for centerfielder Vernon Wells. The Jays, who are looking for a corner outfielder, turned thumbs down on the proposed deal because Abreu is owed at least $31 million over the next two seasons.

    A Wells-for-Abreu deal could still come to fruition if Abreu would waive his no-trade clause and the Phils would eat some of his salary. That deal could help the Phillies on two fronts. It would give them a proven centerfielder and open right field as a possible landing spot for Ryan Howard if they're unable to deal Thome.

    Gillick has said that chances of Howard playing outfield are remote, but he has not completely closed the door on the possibility. Should the Phils go the outfield route with Howard, it might make sense to play him in right field because, as first baseman, he is used to seeing the ball come off the hitter's bat from that angle.

    Larry Reynolds, Howard's agent, said his client prefers to play first base.

    "You never say never," Reynolds said yesterday. "But right now Ryan's focus is playing first base."

    The Phils were able to generate some interest in Thome, particularly from the Seattle Mariners, who are looking for a lefthanded power bat. Talks between the two teams appeared to be very preliminary, and it remains to be seen whether Thome, who has a no-trade clause, would accept a deal to Seattle.

    A number of teams are looking for a power bat/designated hitter/first baseman, but the market on Thome figures to be slow in developing because there are a number of first basemen available (Paul Konerko is a free agent and Carlos Delgado, Lyle Overbay and Aubrey Huff could be traded) and some teams still want to see whether Thome is healthy in spring training.

    In addition to the Mariners, the Orioles, Dodgers, Twins and White Sox all bear watching on the Thome front. The White Sox could go in his direction if they don't re-sign Konerko. Thome is an Illinois native, and people close to him say he would waive his no-trade clause to play in Chicago. The Phils would have to eat some of the remaining $46 million on his contract to move him.

    It's clearly not out of the question that the Phils could keep Thome. Gillick said he is not shopping any of his players, and one rival GM said: "They sound like they might keep him." There is a school of thought that says the Phils could deal Abreu or Pat Burrell, and buy time on the Thome-Howard situation by using Howard in the outfield next year.

    The Phils spoke to Burnett's agent, Darek Braunecker. They could make a play for Burnett, but only if they don't re-sign Wagner, who can begin fielding offers today, and will likely get a significant one from the Mets.

    "We have concerns [that Wagner will sign elsewhere], but that's what free agency is all about," Gillick said. "This is Billy's first time out there, and I'm sure he'll enjoy it. Our priority is having him back in Philadelphia."

    Gillick is scheduled to meet with Wagner at the pitcher's Virginia home on Wednesday.
    Last edited by Programmed2Kill; 11-12-2005, 10:02 PM. Reason: lol sorry about the error
  • ILLCHILL
    MVP
    • Feb 2004
    • 2820

    #2
    Re: Phillies trying to Bobby Abreu

    Blue Jays may be very scary next year.

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    • Sully
      Hall Of Fame
      • Feb 2003
      • 16003

      #3
      Re: Phillies trying to Bobby Abreu

      I've never really been an Abreu fan. It wouldn't upset me one bit to see him traded.

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      • The GIGGAS
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        • Mar 2003
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        Re: Phillies trying to Bobby Abreu

        I don't know what the title is implying... Are they trying to impersonate him?

        Maybe bake him a nice cake?
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        • Programmed2Kill
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          • Jul 2002
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          Re: Phillies trying to trade Bobby Abreu

          LOL sorry about the title error. Could a mod change that for me, please?

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          • Skerik
            Living in this tube
            • Mar 2004
            • 5215

            #6
            Re: Phillies trying to trade Bobby Abreu

            No doubt Gillick took a look at the roster, looked at the holes he needed to fill and how much money he has to fill them, and decided to try to clear some salary. Abreu's value will never be higher than it is right now, so we might as well trade him if we can. Losing him wouldn't bother me all that much, honestly. The guy we can't trade is Burrell - he's our only RH power source and LHP will eat us alive next year without Pat in the lineup.

            Also, if the Mets are prepared to throw a huge offer at Wagner for four years, they can definitely have him.
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            • Vince
              Bow for Bau
              • Aug 2002
              • 26017

              #7
              Re: Phillies trying to trade Bobby Abreu

              Hmm, I a post written all up about why we shouldn't trade Bobby for vernon, then I checked the stats, and it's a slam dunk that at least offensively, Bobby is the better player, by a decent looking margin. Bobby has always had a great eye and OBP, something that Blue jay fans are hoping Vernon can learn: plate discipline.

              OPS, EQA, OBP, Abreu wins easily. Only problem is Vernon is 4 years older, a 2 time, back-to-back gold glove winner and he's an absolute bargain.
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              • SPTO
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                • Feb 2003
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                Re: Phillies trying to Bobby Abreu

                Vernon hasn't really turned into the type of guy the Jays expected him to be. Abreu has been a very solid player throughout his career and if the Phils can eat some of his contract I think the Jays may take a long look at that trade possibility.

                The only thing is that Vernon provides very good defense and that would be something that would be missing. One of the philosophies of baseball that I ascribe to is the need to be strong up the middle defensively.

                I still think this trade would be favourable to Toronto if it happens.
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                • TheTruth916
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                  • Aug 2002
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                  #9
                  Re: Phillies trying to Bobby Abreu

                  Howard possibly to the OF?
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                  • BunnyHardaway
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                    • Nov 2004
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                    Re: Phillies trying to Bobby Abreu

                    I'm kind of "eh" on hearing the O's interest in Thome, but if they can't get a deal done for Delgado, then I guess they have no other choice then to pursue him.

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                    • rsox
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                      • Feb 2003
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                      Re: Phillies trying to Bobby Abreu

                      Originally posted by JJLinn
                      I'm kind of "eh" on hearing the O's interest in Thome, but if they can't get a deal done for Delgado, then I guess they have no other choice then to pursue him.
                      Don't rule out the possibility of the Orioles trying to trade for Todd Helton, there was quite a bit of talk about last season and it could start up again.

                      As for Abreu in Toronto, i'm not sure how well he would hit there but he would give the Jays a real power threat, but with Wells going to Philadelphia in the deal the Jays would still need to add some power from the right side.

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                      • BunnyHardaway
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                        • Nov 2004
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                        Re: Phillies trying to Bobby Abreu

                        Originally posted by rsox
                        Don't rule out the possibility of the Orioles trying to trade for Todd Helton, there was quite a bit of talk about last season and it could start up again.

                        As for Abreu in Toronto, i'm not sure how well he would hit there but he would give the Jays a real power threat, but with Wells going to Philadelphia in the deal the Jays would still need to add some power from the right side.
                        If the Rockies take 5-7 million off of his annual salary, I'd gladly take him. No way I'd take 6 years of 16-17 million a year, nooooo damn way.

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                        • TheLetterZ
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                          • Jul 2002
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                          Re: Phillies trying to Bobby Abreu

                          I think this trade would be horrible for the Phillies. I know a lot of people here in Philly hate Abreu, but he's a much better player than Wells. Wells is 4 years younger but he's been not even close to Abreu at the plate. Wells has had 1 season where he's been even an above-average hitter.

                          I understand if Gillick thinks it would be better to open up right field for Howard is possible, even if I disagree with the notion, but there has to be someone out there better than Wells. Abreu is one of the elite hitters in baseball.

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                          • Programmed2Kill
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                            • Jul 2002
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                            Re: Phillies trying to trade Bobby Abreu

                            He's not the hitter that Abreu is, but he's not awful, either. He doesn't strike out nearly as much as Abreu does.

                            I think what Gillick realizes is that the Phils have too many left-handed hitters that hit with power in their everyday lineup. Thome, Howard, Abreu and Utley. The only right-handed hitter is Burrell. With Wells, you can switch your lineup better to mess with a pitcher.

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                            • Vince
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                              • Aug 2002
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                              #15
                              Re: Phillies trying to trade Bobby Abreu

                              He's not the hitter that Abreu is, but he's not awful, either. He doesn't strike out nearly as much as Abreu does.
                              That's misleading because Vern is a first pitch hacker to the fullest. It's one reasons why so many of us Jays fans get frustrating with his hitting, which can be a whole lot better. He has no desire to work a count as opposed to Bobby.
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