2006 HOF class

[SPTO]

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Jim Rice dominated in HR's and RBI's for a decade in his time. .

I want Rice to go in but he also has another problem. He was consistently good but not GREAT. If a guy like Rice goes in then you'll have to think hard about a guy like Joe Carter as they're similar in some ways. Carter was a RBI machine for a decade and had the great highlight of being only the 2nd player ever to end a WS on a HR.

I also think Morris should get in one of these days.

[BunnyHardaway]

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Yeah, no way these guys get in next year. I think Cal and Gwynn will both get in first ballot.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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Rice was a dick to the media so I don't see him ever getting in.

Jack Morris is a real borderline selection. Who could forget his performance in Game 7 of the 91 WS. The biggest reason he's not in is because his ERA is high. If he was voted in, he would have the highest ERA of any pitcher.

[glucklich]

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Blyleven deserved to be in the most. Wins is such a problematic stat. Its not like Blyleven played on great teams.

[nyisles16]

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Blyleven deserved to be in the most. Wins is such a problematic stat. Its not like Blyleven played on great teams.

look at his complete games stat though.. he should be in..

[roadman]

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I really don't know how much emphasis the writers put on someone who isn't nice to them for awards or HOF nominations.

Bonds isn't Mr. Congeniality to the media and he wins a ton of MVP awards.

[glucklich]

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I really don't know how much emphasis the writers put on someone who isn't nice to them for awards or HOF nominations.

Bonds isn't Mr. Congeniality to the media and he wins a ton of MVP awards.

Bonds is an anomally.

[catcatch22]

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I really don't know how much emphasis the writers put on someone who isn't nice to them for awards or HOF nominations.

Bonds isn't Mr. Congeniality to the media and he wins a ton of MVP awards.

Bonds is a first ballot hall of famer. Then you have the guys who are on the "edge" of making the hall of fame. These guys don't have the magical "compiler" numbers and did not have unstoppable short term numbers like a Koufax. Guys on the edge need something more to get them over the edge. Example Kirby Puckett vs Albert Belle. Puckett's numbers are no way even close to Belle's yet Puckett was that nice smiling guy with the media and won them over. Belle will probably never get the opportunity because of his surly attitude. Same with Rice. Murray got away with it because he hit 500 homeruns.

Look at Kareem Abdul Jabbar, he is begging for an nba coaching job but can't get even a sniff because of his mean aloof ways as a player. He ticked people off back then and now he can't sniff a job.

[poster]

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Since Sutter's in, Gossage should be in as well.

There are some more recent relievers that I think have been better than Sutter as well (Eckersley for one).

Joeboo I know you know baseball so I was surprised to see you hatin on Sutter. When I was old enough to watch baseball and know what was going on Sutter was still good but past his prime a bit, but my dad always tells me to this day that he was the nasiest reliever he has ever seen and no one was as dominant as him. I did some research myself and heard some thoughts about him and came to the conclusion that he deserves his bid. He was one of the first to master the splitfinger forkball as he called it back then.

I heard he would come in and in 9 pitches strike out 3 as easy as pie. They said during his Cubs years that in the All Star game great players would ask out in the late innings so they wouldnt get embaressed by that pitch. He struck fear into hitters and back then he would come into a jam in the 7th and get out of it and finish the game. The good old days.

[mjb2124]

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Joeboo I know you know baseball so I was surprised to see you hatin on Sutter. When I was old enough to watch baseball and know what was going on Sutter was still good but past his prime a bit, but my dad always tells me to this day that he was the nasiest reliever he has ever seen and no one was as dominant as him. I did some research myself and heard some thoughts about him and came to the conclusion that he deserves his bid. He was one of the first to master the splitfinger forkball as he called it back then.

I heard he would come in and in 9 pitches strike out 3 as easy as pie. They said during his Cubs years that in the All Star game great players would ask out in the late innings so they wouldnt get embaressed by that pitch. He struck fear into hitters and back then he would come into a jam in the 7th and get out of it and finish the game. The good old days.

Not really hating as much as I'm just a little surprised he beat out Gossage. I have always felt Sutter and Gossage were very similar pitchers, but Gossage always was a little better in my eyes. That's not a knock on Sutter because I thought he was an excellent pitcher, but just a little surprise on my part that he went in before Gossage.

[CoRruPt-]

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Rice was a dick to the media so I don't see him ever getting in.

Jack Morris is a real borderline selection. Who could forget his performance in Game 7 of the 91 WS. The biggest reason he's not in is because his ERA is high. If he was voted in, he would have the highest ERA of any pitcher.

Morris isn't exactly loved by the media either. So that'll go against him.

[nyisles16]

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Here's the actual vote tally:

Bruce Sutter 400 76.9%

Jim Rice 337 64.8%
Rich Gossage 336 64.6%
Andre Dawson 317 61.0%
Bert Blyleven 277 53.3%
Lee Smith 234 45.0%
Jack Morris 214 41.2%
Tommy John 154 29.6%
Steve Garvey 135 26.0%
Alan Trammell 92 17.7%
Dave Parker 75 14.4%
Dave Concepcion 65 12.5%
Don Mattingly 64 12.3%
Orel Hershiser 58 11.2%
Dale Murphy 56 10.8%
Albert Belle 40 7.7%
Will Clark 23 4.4%
Dwight Gooden 17 3.3%
Willie McGee 12 2.3%
Ozzie Guillen 5 1.0%
Hal Morris 5 1.0%
Gary Gaetti 4 0.8%
John Wetteland 4 0.8%
Rick Aguilera 3 0.6%
Gregg Jefferies 2 0.4%
Doug Jones 2 0.4%
Walt Weiss 1 0.2%
Gary DiSarcina 0 0.0%
Alex Fernandez 0 0.0%



now.. who were the two knuckleheads who voted for Jefferies??

[glucklich]

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Here's the actual vote tally:

Bruce Sutter 400 76.9%

Jim Rice 337 64.8%
Rich Gossage 336 64.6%
Andre Dawson 317 61.0%
Bert Blyleven 277 53.3%
Lee Smith 234 45.0%
Jack Morris 214 41.2%
Tommy John 154 29.6%
Steve Garvey 135 26.0%
Alan Trammell 92 17.7%
Dave Parker 75 14.4%
Dave Concepcion 65 12.5%
Don Mattingly 64 12.3%
Orel Hershiser 58 11.2%
Dale Murphy 56 10.8%
Albert Belle 40 7.7%
Will Clark 23 4.4%
Dwight Gooden 17 3.3%
Willie McGee 12 2.3%
Ozzie Guillen 5 1.0%
Hal Morris 5 1.0%
Gary Gaetti 4 0.8%
John Wetteland 4 0.8%
Rick Aguilera 3 0.6%
Gregg Jefferies 2 0.4%
Doug Jones 2 0.4%
Walt Weiss 1 0.2%
Gary DiSarcina 0 0.0%
Alex Fernandez 0 0.0%



now.. who were the two knuckleheads who voted for Jefferies??

Oh, COME ON! Willie McGee deserved at least 2.7% of the vote.

[poster]

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Not really hating as much as I'm just a little surprised he beat out Gossage. I have always felt Sutter and Gossage were very similar pitchers, but Gossage always was a little better in my eyes. That's not a knock on Sutter because I thought he was an excellent pitcher, but just a little surprise on my part that he went in before Gossage.

Hey Joeboo! Gossage also deserved to get it along with one of my favorite Cubs the Hawk. Both were dominant closers. I'll never forget my dad telling me between innings of my little league games that the Hawk just hit another one out. My coach would always ask me to go to my dad to find out the score because he always brought his radio. Classic!

[Kashanova]

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Don Mattingly isn't in yet?