2006 HOF class

[Stu]

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Don Mattingly isn't in yet?

Not even close.

[TheLetterZ]

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John Wetteland is a borderline Hall of Famer. How does he get only 4 votes?

Don't even get me started on anyone else.

[IlliniM1ke]

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Not really hating as much as I'm just a little surprised he beat out Gossage. I have always felt Sutter and Gossage were very similar pitchers, but Gossage always was a little better in my eyes. That's not a knock on Sutter because I thought he was an excellent pitcher, but just a little surprise on my part that he went in before Gossage.

I think Gossage should be in but you have to look at Sutter and Gossage career #'s:

Sutter- 12 seasons
300 saves, 2.83 ERA, 861 K, 68/71 W/L

Gossage- 22 seasons
310 saves, 3.00 ERA, 1502 K, 124/107 W/L

So like Tim Kurkjian said earlier on ESPNews, Gossage is probably hurt some when it comes to the HoF balloting due to some voters feel his numbers are inflated by pitching as long as he did.

[glucklich]

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Don Mattingly isn't in yet?

Nor should he be. He needs to get in line BEHIND Rice and Dawson. I dont care if he played for the Yankees and is beloved. It takes more than 1985 and 1986 to get in.

[Vince]

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Tell me how Kirby Puckett gets in, but not Donnie Baseball?

[Stu]

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Nor should he be. He needs to get in line BEHIND Rice and Dawson. I dont care if he played for the Yankees and is beloved. It takes more than 1985 and 1986 to get in.

But he's a "true" yankee!!!

[mjb2124]

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I think Gossage should be in but you have to look at Sutter and Gossage career #'s:

Sutter- 12 seasons
300 saves, 2.83 ERA, 861 K, 68/71 W/L

Gossage- 22 seasons
310 saves, 3.00 ERA, 1502 K, 124/107 W/L

So like Tim Kurkjian said earlier on ESPNews, Gossage is probably hurt some when it comes to the HoF balloting due to some voters feel his numbers are inflated by pitching as long as he did.

I agree with that for the most part. Gossage stayed around for WAY too long. However, his last 6 seasons were essentially a wash. If you look at his combined stats for those seasons, he had 14 wins, 10 losses, 8 saves, 106 walks and 153 K's. So the 22 seasons line jumps out at a lot of people, but the last 6 were kind of meaningless.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=gossari01

Of course, I'm not sure some of these baseball writers bother to look into the numbers they see. I think the writer who voted for Walt Weiss should lose his ability to vote!!

[Misfit]

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Sutter deserved to be in. Gossage, Rice, and Dawson all should be in and its a crime they aren't. Someone said Rice was just good, not great. No way. During his ten year run of dominance he was one of, if not the, most feared hitter in the American League. He isn't in because he wasn't nice to the media and he dropped off considerably after age 34. Dawson had it all, hitting, speed, and defense. He isn't in because his career average is kind of low. As for Gossage, I don't really know. If Sutter can get in how can't Gossage?! I swear, some of the people who receive ballots need to have them taken away, because some of these snubbs are rediculous.

Mattingly isn't a hall of famer. Neither is Wetteland.

[mjb2124]

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Sutter deserved to be in. Gossage, Rice, and Dawson all should be in and its a crime they aren't.

Add Blyleven to that list as well.

60 shutouts
3701 K's
242 Complete Games
287 Wins
250 Losses (which is what is killing him IMO. It's too bad he played on very poor teams).

[aukevin]

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Tell me how Kirby Puckett gets in, but not Donnie Baseball?

I think it has to do with how they went out. Donnie dwindled in the end due to playing through back injuries while Kirby went out suddenly with an injury and was never able to return because of his eye. I think had Mattingly's career had of ended as suddenly, he would probably be in by now. Puckett's WS ring probably helped him too, although that shouldn't be a deciding factor.

[SPTO]

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Jack Morris was on the radio here in Toronto and was pretty bitter. He wasn't totally mad that he didn't make it but he was quite bewildered that the folks ahead of him in the balloting aren't HOF'ers yet. He was especially astounded that Blyleven isn't in there. He said something to the effect of "Blyleven is a HOF'er every day of the year to me".

I'm sure inflamatory statements aren't going to help Morris' cause but at least he thinks about some of his contemporaries in a positive light.

[glucklich]

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Jack Morris was on the radio here in Toronto and was pretty bitter. He wasn't totally mad that he didn't make it but he was quite bewildered that the folks ahead of him in the balloting aren't HOF'ers yet. He was especially astounded that Blyleven isn't in there. He said something to the effect of "Blyleven is a HOF'er every day of the year to me".

I'm sure inflamatory statements aren't going to help Morris' cause but at least he thinks about some of his contemporaries in a positive light.

Maybe since it happened in Canada, it didnt happen. Do you think this will make waves? I guess we'll see soon enough. BTW, I guess you have to hear the inflection in his voice but what you said wasnt all that inflammatory.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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Jack Morris was on the radio here in Toronto and was pretty bitter. He wasn't totally mad that he didn't make it but he was quite bewildered that the folks ahead of him in the balloting aren't HOF'ers yet. He was especially astounded that Blyleven isn't in there. He said something to the effect of "Blyleven is a HOF'er every day of the year to me".

I'm sure inflamatory statements aren't going to help Morris' cause but at least he thinks about some of his contemporaries in a positive light.

I'm not surprised. After last years vote when he didn't get in, he was on the Fan 590. He sounded pretty pissed off.

[SPTO]

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Maybe since it happened in Canada, it didnt happen. Do you think this will make waves? I guess we'll see soon enough. BTW, I guess you have to hear the inflection in his voice but what you said wasnt all that inflammatory.

Yeah the words weren't very infammatory but he was generally PO'ed.

[SportsTop]

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I want Rice to go in but he also has another problem. He was consistently good but not GREAT. If a guy like Rice goes in then you'll have to think hard about a guy like Joe Carter as they're similar in some ways. Carter was a RBI machine for a decade and had the great highlight of being only the 2nd player ever to end a WS on a HR.

I also think Morris should get in one of these days.

Interesting comment.

Was he any more "good but not great" than Tony Perez? (Other than the fact that Rice has an MVP Award and over triple Perez's MVP shares).


Rice was a BEAST for over ten consecutive years. His numbers may seem watered down compared to today's numbers, but put in perspective, they are second to none.