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  • Spectre
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    • Mar 2003
    • 5853

    #16
    Re: Red Sox trade Arroyo to Cincy for Willy Mo

    Good trade for the Reds- maybe they've finally turned the corner there and realize what good pitching is? Note: Eric Milton is not an example of a good pitcher!

    Also, why does everybody think Bronson is a back of the rotation starter? The guy put up a 1.22 and 1.30 WHIP in Fenway the last two years. His 1.22 WHIP in 2004 also included a 1.01 WHIP on the road; that's just exceptional.

    What does Pena bring to the table? Power but he has no eye at the plate and he strikes out a ton. 116 K in 311 AB is just flat out terrible. It'd be fine if he walked like Adam Dunn, but he doesn't. His stats are also skewed toward much better production at the GAB- not surprisingly, Pena hit .232 on the road with a robust .272 OBP. Yuck

    Honestly, I'd give the edge in this trade to the Reds. Arroyo is enormously underrated and I think Pena is being overrated here.
    Last edited by Spectre; 03-20-2006, 12:50 PM.

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    • mjb2124
      Hall Of Fame
      • Aug 2002
      • 13649

      #17
      Re: Red Sox trade Arroyo to Cincy for Willy Mo

      Originally posted by camulos
      As a Sox fan though, it makes a lot of sense. They needed to get rid of at least one starter and needed a legitimate platoon for RF. Wily Mo was 291/345/536 vs LH last year, which is really all we need him to do. He also reportedly had a huge winter league in the Dominican.
      Yeah it definately makes a lot of sense for Boston. If you can unload some pitching for a guy with the power that Pena possesses, you do it. He is much better against LH'ers so a platoon situation works out perfectly.

      I agree about the Clement contract. Cincy needs pitching desperately, but they don't have the $$$ to take on Clement's contract. Arroyo should fit in fine with them - especially since he's a groundball pitcher and Cincy's park needs groundball pitchers. He did fairly well in the AL and should do better in the NL.

      Could the Reds have gotten better for Pena? Possibly. It just all comes down to how much salary they were willing to take on.

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      • jake44np
        Post Like a Champion!
        • Jul 2002
        • 9563

        #18
        Re: Red Sox trade Arroyo to Cincy for Willy Mo

        Originally posted by Longhorn6
        I'm guessing...Kearns, KGJ and Freel in the OF now, with Womack at 2nd?
        No!
        It means Dunn goes back to LF and Hatteberg plays 1B. I am listening to the Reds spring trainging game and their manager just said Dunn is going back to the OF.
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        • ucbearcat
          Rookie
          • Feb 2003
          • 386

          #19
          Re: Red Sox trade Arroyo to Cincy for Willy Mo

          The Reds pitching is so bad that they just needed a decent arm. What good does it do you to score 11 runs a game when the other team scores 15. They have a somewhat servicable front of the rotation now with Claussen, Harang, and Arroyo. I think there line-up looks like this now.
          1-Freel 2B
          2-F. Lopez SS
          3-Griffey CF
          4-Dunn LF
          5-Kearns RF
          6-Hatteberg 1B
          7-Larue C
          8-Encarnacion 3B
          The line up is still pretty solid. Wily Mo did strike out a ton, and in a line up with Dunn, Kearns, and Griffey the Reds might be better of with a guy who can put the ball in play more consistantly.

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          • Dice
            Sitting by the door
            • Jul 2002
            • 6627

            #20
            Re: Red Sox trade Arroyo to Cincy for Willy Mo

            I'm not to sure about this trade for the Red Sox. Arroyo was a solid starter and one of the Red Sox most reliable considering the rash of injuries the Red Sox suffered last year in the Starting Pitching department. Willie Mo Pena could prove to be good BUT he strikes out way too much. The Red Sox really don't need extra power considering they already have the 'new millineum bash brothers' in David Ortiz and Manny Rameriez.

            As usual, you won't know who got the better end of the trade until the players take the field and perform. BUT right now I'd give it to Cinny since their need for pitching is much greater than Boston's need for power. And with the 'new millinuem bash brothers' in their line-up Boston really doesn't need power.
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            • MagicBucsWsoxFan
              MVP
              • Mar 2003
              • 4294

              #21
              Re: Red Sox trade Arroyo to Cincy for Willy Mo

              stupid trade. Way to lop sided. Thats the downside of baseball.
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              • Stu
                All Star
                • Jun 2004
                • 7924

                #22
                Re: Red Sox trade Arroyo to Cincy for Willy Mo

                Originally posted by Dice
                I'm not to sure about this trade for the Red Sox. Arroyo was a solid starter and one of the Red Sox most reliable considering the rash of injuries the Red Sox suffered last year in the Starting Pitching department. Willie Mo Pena could prove to be good BUT he strikes out way too much. The Red Sox really don't need extra power considering they already have the 'new millineum bash brothers' in David Ortiz and Manny Rameriez.

                As usual, you won't know who got the better end of the trade until the players take the field and perform. BUT right now I'd give it to Cinny since their need for pitching is much greater than Boston's need for power. And with the 'new millinuem bash brothers' in their line-up Boston really doesn't need power.
                But you're forgetting that the Red Sox had to trade either Wells, Arroyo or Clement. They simply don't have enough room on the 40 man or 25 man roster to carry that many starting pitchers. They also need a RH hitter to platoon in right field because Nixon can't hit LH pitching. Pena fits that role perfectly.

                I don't see how anyone can see this as a bad trade for the Red Sox. They traded what was basically going to be a reliever for a player that fills a need for 2006 and has huge power potential. Just because they already have two good power hitters isn't a good reason to not acquire another, especially when he's only 24.

                Also, FWIW: Pena batted .363 with a .458 OBP (13 BB, 19 K) and .650 SLG (80 ABs) in the winter league regular season.
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                • CaliBuck
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2006
                  • 1436

                  #23
                  Re: Red Sox trade Arroyo to Cincy for Willy Mo

                  Pena has more pure power than anyone in baseball. If he could learn to hit a curveball, then watch out. If I were a Boston fan, get to the park early and watch this kid take BP. He puts on a show that McGwire would be in awe about.

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                  • RedsFan75
                    Pro
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 587

                    #24
                    Re: Red Sox trade Arroyo to Cincy for Willy Mo

                    When the Reds were playing in Cinergy, and the notch had been taken out of the bowl, so they could build Great American. GABP was getting close to being finished, the light towers had just gone up. Wily Mo was taking BP, and he slammed a ball off one of the light towers at GABP from Cinergy. AMAZING displays of power from this one.

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                    • Stu
                      All Star
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 7924

                      #25
                      Re: Red Sox trade Arroyo to Cincy for Willy Mo

                      Theo made a good point on WEEI. Basically said that Pena is a little bit behind in his development as far as patience is concerned. He was signed as a 16 year old so has had to be in the majors since 2001 and play sporadically rather than get consistent at bats in the minors.
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                      • Thrasha
                        MVP
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 3374

                        #26
                        Re: Red Sox trade Arroyo to Cincy for Willy Mo

                        We got great value in the trade but I don't like it. Arroyo was one of my favorite RS players, so I guess I don't care for the trade because of sentimental purposes. It's also sad to see another one of the guys go.

                        I think it's fairly dirty on the Sox part as well seeing as though they had a "gentlemen's agreement" with him not to trade him. Especially after he took a hometown discount when he signed the contract extension.

                        I'm a little tired of the revolving door of players this team has become lately.
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                        • elicoleman
                          Im The Baby/Gotta Love Me
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 34655

                          #27
                          Re: Red Sox trade Arroyo to Cincy for Willy Mo

                          I still want to know why the hell the Yankees ever got rid of this kid?

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                          • RedsFan75
                            Pro
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 587

                            #28
                            Re: Red Sox trade Arroyo to Cincy for Willy Mo

                            because his contract said he HAD to be in the Majors by a certain time, and he was nowhere near ready, and they knew it.

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                            • VanCitySportsGuy
                              NYG_Meth
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 9351

                              #29
                              Re: Red Sox trade Arroyo to Cincy for Willy Mo



                              Sad to see Arroyo get traded

                              I think this trade is a win win for both clubs.

                              Arroyo was going to be a reliever to start the season and the Sox didn't have a 4th OF (once Stern gets sent down). He will most likely be 2nd in the Reds rotation. He's in the prime of his career right now and has a good contract. This is a perfect example of why you don't give a home town discount unless you get a no trade clause. I think the Sox gave him a little bit of a raw deal here but it has to be said Arroyo knew he could have been dealt in the right situation.

                              Pena has a lot of power, but his command of the strike zone is awful. I'm hoping he can follow the path of Sosa. Strike zone judgement is a skill that is hard to learn if you don't have it. Sosa was able to command the strike zone as he got older.

                              The Sox have started to get younger in a lot of areas while maintaing a strong club.

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                              • ILLCHILL
                                MVP
                                • Feb 2004
                                • 2820

                                #30
                                Re: Red Sox trade Arroyo to Cincy for Willy Mo

                                The reason I am in love with the Sox front office (and the Pats too) is because they don't mind trading the fan favorites. I am sad to see Arroyo go, but he probably won't ever be more than a good 4 decent 3 starter for a contender. Willy Mo can start, and may not get on base as much at this point in his career but still has plenty of upside, is very young, has monstrous power and is the righty to spell Nixon.

                                Now my complain isnt on this trade but on....

                                why did we sign Juan Gonzalez and with that signing and Mohr tearing it up this srping, I didn't think they'd trade for another righty OF.

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