Official Barry Bonds Thread

[Thrasha]

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If I were a Giants fan, there is no way I would want Bonds in the lineup the way he is playing right now. An outfield of Alou/Finley/Winn would be much, much more effective. Hell, you could put just about anyone out there at this point and now offensive and defensive production than what Barry is putting forth. All he is doing right now is being a blackhole in the cleanup spot and an extreme liability in left.

.174 .472 .261 .733

Barry's line. No HR, 1 RBI. Small sample size? Yes.... Still though, it's definitely not Barry.

Purely coincidental he's playing like this now with all the drug testing though, of course. Don't want to ruffle any feathers of the Barry lovers.

[Skerik]

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Purely coincidental he's playing like this now with all the drug testing though, of course. Don't want to ruffle any feathers of the Barry lovers.

Watching that game last night, I was struck by the thought...."How did his body get so bad, so fast?" And gee, isn't it convenient that he has this terrible knee injury to fall back on as soon as the drug testing is beefed up. If he is truly hurt, there's a prevalent theory that steroids allow your body to heal faster from injury. Maybe he's not able to heal quite that quickly anymore?

My favorite parts of the game last night were when Joe Morgan spent about a half hour analyzing Barry's second inning flyball and explaining how his knee is the entire problem, and when Morgan talked about how he was just so amazed that Barry is even playing. Because yeah, we all know guys like Mickey Mantle played 100% healthy their whole careers....

[bkrich83]

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I'm sure Bonds would be so happy if he could even get a 2 - 0 fastball. The only fastballs he got today were a 3 - 0 fastball, and a ball that went right into his elbow.

Why throw Bonds a fastball? At this point you can just throw him off-speed pitches in the dirt and let him get himself out.

[Thrasha]

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Watching that game last night, I was struck by the thought...."How did his body get so bad, so fast?" And gee, isn't it convenient that he has this terrible knee injury to fall back on as soon as the drug testing is beefed up. If he is truly hurt, there's a prevalent theory that steroids allow your body to heal faster from injury. Maybe he's not able to heal quite that quickly anymore?

My favorite parts of the game last night were when Joe Morgan spent about a half hour analyzing Barry's second inning flyball and explaining how his knee is the entire problem, and when Morgan talked about how he was just so amazed that Barry is even playing. Because yeah, we all know guys like Mickey Mantle played 100% healthy their whole careers....

I think alot of the Bonds apologists are latching on to his injuries and using them as an excuse.

Barry Bonds said Friday night that he has "10 to 12 bone chips floating" in his left elbow, which he revealed is swollen "almost twice the size" of his other elbow.
He also has bone chips in his head, apparently. Bonds, like a lot of other hitters each year, will play through the bone chips. "I'm going to keep playing until it blows up," Bonds told MLB.com. "If I have to have a procedure, then I'm done. Finished. That would be it." Bonds, as usual, is being a little overdramatic. If he elected to have surgery, he'd probably miss a month or two. Instead, he'll fight through them and end up as one of baseball's best hitters, should he avoid leg injuries.

[Scottdau]

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You know I wasn't going to post in this forum anymore but there is one more thing that I have to get off my chest. And Giants' fans listen up...

Barry has mentioned that he doesn't care about the homerun record and that he was saddened last year because he couldn't be out there helping his team win ballgames.

But I think that we all know that Barry was once again trying to pull the wool over the sheep's eyes. Barry, who claims to be a team player, is playing with bone chips in his elbow. He is not hitting the ball well, he is making terrible swings because of the bone chips, but he refuses to have surgery to repair the injury. I know that maybe he doesn't want to have the season ending surgery but what is his reason?

My guess is that Barry only CARES about the homerun record. I am going to step out on a limb and say that once/if Barry hits 7 homers this season, as soon as he does, he will shut himself down for the season and have the surgery.

That is how Barry is. He only cares about himself. He only wants the record. He can careless if the Giants are winning or not. He can careless if he is a liability to his team or not, because its always have been and always will be about Barry.

Barry Bonds is a lying, cheating, egotistical, self-centered, selfish SOB.

This is a bunch of B.S, the Giants are winning because of Bonds getting pitch around. They still walk him when the game is on the line. Even if he isn't hitting the manager's are still scare of him. Watch the games. You will see for yourself. His Obp is 472, so regardless of what you say he still makes the Giants better. There is no question he is not doing what he used to do, but that happens. Another thing is Albert P has 20 more at bats and only 2 more walks than Bonds. Albert is by no doubt the best hitter in the game now, but Bonds is still a threat and he will get it going, unless the injuries get worst.

[Scottdau]

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I think alot of the Bonds apologists are latching on to his injuries and using them as an excuse.

I am not making an excuse, but you swing a bat every night with bone chips in your elbow. But that is why these players get payed the big bucks, because they have to play through these kind of injuries.

[Scottdau]

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Why throw Bonds a fastball? At this point you can just throw him off-speed pitches in the dirt and let him get himself out.

You can only do that for so long, he will still walking and take the base.

[Thrasha]

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I am not making an excuse, but you swing a bat every night with bone chips in your elbow. But that is why these players get payed the big bucks, because they have to play through these kind of injuries.

Sooner or later some manager is going to sack up and not put him on base and make Bonds beat them. He's obviously not quite the same, I just don't understand why these managers aren't testing him.

[BGarrett7]

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... Bonds is still a threat and he will get it going, unless the injuries get worst.

Bonds is only a threat based on reputation. Based on his actual possibility of producing, he is far from being a threat of any sort. Why teams continue to pitch around him, I have absolutely no idea. Maybe it's based off the theory that if you put the gimp on base, it's going to take a homer or triple to actually get him home. He's got a lame knee and a busted elbow. It's obvious by now that his knee is only going to continue to deteriorate more and more as the season progresses, and the bone chips in his elbow aren't something that will get worse over time, but they are something that is going to continue to hamper his swing until he gets them dealt with. It is only going to take a couple more weeks of the likes of Jae Seo getting him out with relative ease for everyone else to realize this and the Giants will be forced to deal with a very interesting dilemma: continue to play Bonds and his sub-Mendoza line average, no-run producing self, or suck it up and get someone in there who can get the job done.

[Scottdau]

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Bonds is only a threat based on reputation. Based on his actual possibility of producing, he is far from being a threat of any sort. Why teams continue to pitch around him, I have absolutely no idea. Maybe it's based off the theory that if you put the gimp on base, it's going to take a homer or triple to actually get him home. He's got a lame knee and a busted elbow. It's obvious by now that his knee is only going to continue to deteriorate more and more as the season progresses, and the bone chips in his elbow aren't something that will get worse over time, but they are something that is going to continue to hamper his swing until he gets them dealt with. It is only going to take a couple more weeks of the likes of Jae Seo getting him out with relative ease for everyone else to realize this and the Giants will be forced to deal with a very interesting dilemma: continue to play Bonds and his sub-Mendoza line average, no-run producing self, or suck it up and get someone in there who can get the job done.

I do agree with that about Managers, but if he gets more pitches and good pitches, that could get him going, if I was a manager I would keep on walking him and let him try to do to much.

[Scottdau]

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Bonds is only a threat based on reputation. Based on his actual possibility of producing, he is far from being a threat of any sort. Why teams continue to pitch around him, I have absolutely no idea. Maybe it's based off the theory that if you put the gimp on base, it's going to take a homer or triple to actually get him home. He's got a lame knee and a busted elbow. It's obvious by now that his knee is only going to continue to deteriorate more and more as the season progresses, and the bone chips in his elbow aren't something that will get worse over time, but they are something that is going to continue to hamper his swing until he gets them dealt with. It is only going to take a couple more weeks of the likes of Jae Seo getting him out with relative ease for everyone else to realize this and the Giants will be forced to deal with a very interesting dilemma: continue to play Bonds and his sub-Mendoza line average, no-run producing self, or suck it up and get someone in there who can get the job done.

I do agree with that about Managers, but if he gets more pitches and good pitches, that could get him going, if I was a manager I would keep on walking him and let him try to do to much.

[oo7Soxs]

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.174 .472 .261 .733

Barry's line. No HR, 1 RBI. Small sample size? Yes.... Still though, it's definitely not Barry.

Purely coincidental he's playing like this now with all the drug testing though, of course. Don't want to ruffle any feathers of the Barry lovers.

Manny Ramirez

.214 .353 .214 .567

0 HR 3 RBI

It looks like Mr. Bonds is getting on base more then Mr. Ramirez. And Mr. Ramirez didn't have sugery 3 times on 1 knee.

[Blzer]

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I've read too many posts to quote and talk about, but just to the general public talking about having another three outfielders instead of Bonds... I understand exactly what you're saying, in the sense that I was saying that about Sammy Sosa when the Orioles got them (I could probably find where I said it somewhere, but I was saying that I would just not play him, because there would be three better outfielders than him). As a matter of fact, I post on another message board where, in the 2002 postseason, I created a thread suggesting that they play Tom Goodwin instead of Bonds, just because of prior playoffs. Boy was I a *******... no wonder that thread was locked within the first 10 minutes of it.



At any rate, the main differences between your suggestions with Bonds and mine with Sosa are:

1) Bonds is hitting the ball just as hard as I've seen him hit it in quite some time. The difference is that he's not hitting successfully. Of course, that is a problem; but it's not like he's NOT seeing the ball well. All of his outs (and off-the-wall singles) are very loud. I have a feeling that once he gets the first home run out of the way, he may calm down a little bit with some of his swings. He does seem a little desperate at the moment.

2) Bonds is still producing what makes him an MVP every full year that he plays... not only his offensive numbers, but the way that he allows all other players to get some offensive numbers. His presence in the lineup creates a threat that allows other players to get different pitches and more beneficial situations (read the person's post about Bonds' "reputation over performance"). Regardless of how he is performing, they're winning. Baseball Tonight always keep those awkward statistics, like how a team does with somebody in the lineup. Well, Bonds is probably somewhere around the top percentages (again, compared to another player of a large sample size), and you have to compare it to when he's not in the lineup as well.





I'm saying things when feeling a little nervous. Not about myself, and not about Bonds' performance so far. It's just his health that I'm worried about. If you know me and my favoritism towards Bonds, then you would know that, now, because of this damn cloud people formed over his head, it's not Aaron's record that I even care about anymore. Granted, I DO care, but it's not what I'm going to look at at the end of the day when I say why he's the most valuable offensive producer (in my opinion, of course) of all time. I would like to see the 714, but what I really want to see is him get 3,000 hits. He's still got a ways to go, but if he stays healthy for two more seasons, he'll have a good shot.



I guess I don't mind much if people don't want him to break any more home run records, but don't wish somebody to get hurt (even if mentally), especially to end their career. That's a much more selfish act than anything I've seen or heard Bonds do... and recall that I've read a lot about his very disgraceful boyhood in Game of Shadows.

[bkrich83]

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You can only do that for so long, he will still walking and take the base.

Why, over the last two weeks, I've seen way too many pitchers get him out on bad pitches. If he's going to do that, why not keep doing it until he proves otherwise.

Besides he's swinging the bat all arms and upper body. At this point, until Bonds proves otherwise, there are other players in that lineup I fear more.

Will he turn it around. Probably, although, it's tough to hit when you have no leg drive what so ever. I think he's just as likely to call it a season by the All-Star break as he is to become anything near the player he has been in recent years.

[Dispatch]

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Manny Ramirez

.214 .353 .214 .567

0 HR 3 RBI

It looks like Mr. Bonds is getting on base more then Mr. Ramirez. And Mr. Ramirez didn't have sugery 3 times on 1 knee.

Im gonna go with Manny getting more homeruns this year then Barry without even thinking. Manny didn't hit a homerun until April 16th last year and he made out fine, plus Manny has been making up for it in the outfield lately.