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  • mjb2124
    Hall Of Fame
    • Aug 2002
    • 13649

    #16
    Re: ESPN and Bonds

    Originally posted by Blzer
    Just kidding about the last one. But just wait. Bonds still has the upper-hand in my eyes, and in a lot of other people's eyes. If you guys consider Pujols' 2 run performance today vs. Bonds' 1 for 4 performance today an end-all verdict of who is the better player, recall that in 2002 Bonds hit 4 home runs in the first 2 games (and I think 5 in the first 3). Pujols is definitely starting out much stronger than Bonds had, but it's all about the finish... and right now, it's unknown. Maybe he WILL end up much better, but right now, he's not. And it's still completely unfair to consider either of them in the same league. Just remember that RC/27 statistic. Let's just see...
    It has nothing to do with only today's performances. C'mon, I know much more about baseball than to look at a sample size of that magnitude. I just feel Pujols has surpassed Barry in overall performance. That's not a knock on Barry because Pujols is that good, but at this point in both of their careers, I think Pujols is the better player.

    It's kind of tough to compare a RC/27 stat when Barry barely played last year and we're only 1 game into this season. It's also useless to compare that stat for a career when Barry's is winding down and Albert's is just starting.

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    • Blzer
      Resident film pundit
      • Mar 2004
      • 42524

      #17
      Re: ESPN and Bonds

      Originally posted by bkrich83
      I am sure being a Giants fan has nothing to do with your view on this.
      I think I said it before (don't remember), but don't look at the avatar when seeing these posts. I would be a diehard regardless of what team I am a fan of. Gary Sheffield is my second favorite hitter, Greg Maddux being my favorite pitcher. Both are on teams that I absolutely hate with all of my blood, yet I love those players to death. The teams really don't matter at all. If Bonds is traded, even to the A's (which, I also hate), he's ALWAYS my favorite player.

      Just don't consider team bias being a reasoning for why I say what I do... only player bias.
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      • iLLmatic
        MVP
        • Dec 2002
        • 1103

        #18
        Re: ESPN and Bonds

        No one is gonna come to bonds defense for fear of being an apologist. he is a guy who is viewed as a cancer by most and will never get his due. ESPN thinks they are slick but they are trying to excuse themselves from this Bonds show by sayin espn entertainment and espn network are not the same. also espn in their intro to sportscenter USED to have a highlight of Bonds hitting a homer and they convieniently replaced it with a Pujols highlight. and they did that once the balco stuff heated up. There will be a great big campaign to push Pujols into the Great hitter in baseball class, which he is great, but he aint done enough to be in bonds class.
        Last edited by iLLmatic; 04-03-2006, 09:41 PM.

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        • Blzer
          Resident film pundit
          • Mar 2004
          • 42524

          #19
          Re: ESPN and Bonds

          Originally posted by joeboo
          It's also useless to compare that stat for a career when Barry's is winding down and Albert's is just starting.
          Well, this statement makes me think that you're saying: "By the end of his career, Albert Pujols will be a better player than Barry Bonds." It may even be directed towards saying that in 2010 Pujols will be better. I can't deny any of those at the moment, because I haven't seen them happen. And he might be at that time. But, at this precise moment, he is not.



          You know when Pujols will become a better player in my eyes? When he ends up hitting more home runs than striking out (and it's gotta be at least 40+ home runs, I'd say), or when he wins a few Gold Gloves at his position (a reason why many people believe that Ortiz did not deserve MVP was because he was a DH... I believe that a non-superb defensive 1B is just the same thing, meaning they are only there because they aren't much better at anything else) He used to be at 3B... what happened? Don't say that Rolen happened. Let's just say that now Pujols has time to become an offensive juggernaut now. Bonds only does because his knees can't handle what he used to do, which is another thing for Pujols... being able to steal bases.

          Come on, Bonds is a 500/500 guy (well, actually... 700/500). Pujols is a two-tool player. Bonds at his peak was a five-tool easily, and now probably a 3 1/2 - tool.




          What am I getting at? Hell, I don't know (once again). I'm just saying random stuff again. Dinner's ready, gotta go.
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          • bkrich83
            Has Been
            • Jul 2002
            • 71582

            #20
            Re: ESPN and Bonds

            Originally posted by Blzer
            I think I said it before (don't remember), but don't look at the avatar when seeing these posts. I would be a diehard regardless of what team I am a fan of. Gary Sheffield is my second favorite hitter, Greg Maddux being my favorite pitcher. Both are on teams that I absolutely hate with all of my blood, yet I love those players to death. The teams really don't matter at all. If Bonds is traded, even to the A's (which, I also hate), he's ALWAYS my favorite player.

            Just don't consider team bias being a reasoning for why I say what I do... only player bias.
            Gonna have to raise the BS flag.
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            • Blzer
              Resident film pundit
              • Mar 2004
              • 42524

              #21
              Re: ESPN and Bonds

              Originally posted by joeboo
              Not seeing it and neither are many others.

              If they are ANTI-Bonds, why did they give him his own reality show? They're in this to make money and they're going to milk that show for as much as they can. They love Barry. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
              I didn't say that ESPN was anti-Bonds. Read my post again... I said that what they're broadcasting is things that are focused on him being the enemy (sort of like a "You didn't hear it from me, but..." thing).

              They are friends with Bonds, and I know that.
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              • bkrich83
                Has Been
                • Jul 2002
                • 71582

                #22
                Re: ESPN and Bonds

                Originally posted by Blzer
                Well, this statement makes me think that you're saying: "By the end of his career, Albert Pujols will be a better player than Barry Bonds." It may even be directed towards saying that in 2010 Pujols will be better. I can't deny any of those at the moment, because I haven't seen them happen. And he might be at that time. But, at this precise moment, he is not.



                You know when Pujols will become a better player in my eyes? When he ends up hitting more home runs than striking out (and it's gotta be at least 40+ home runs, I'd say), or when he wins a few Gold Gloves at his position (a reason why many people believe that Ortiz did not deserve MVP was because he was a DH... I believe that a non-superb defensive 1B is just the same thing, meaning they are only there because they aren't much better at anything else) He used to be at 3B... what happened? Don't say that Rolen happened. Let's just say that now Pujols has time to become an offensive juggernaut now. Bonds only does because his knees can't handle what he used to do, which is another thing for Pujols... being able to steal bases.

                Come on, Bonds is a 500/500 guy (well, actually... 700/500). Pujols is a two-tool player. Bonds at his peak was a five-tool easily, and now probably a 3 1/2 - tool.




                What am I getting at? Hell, I don't know (once again). I'm just saying random stuff again. Dinner's ready, gotta go.
                Tough to call a player that never could throw a 5 tool player.
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                • Blzer
                  Resident film pundit
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 42524

                  #23
                  Re: ESPN and Bonds

                  Originally posted by bkrich83
                  Gonna have to raise the BS flag.
                  Sounds good. Your belief, but my personal fact.
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                  • Blzer
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                    • Mar 2004
                    • 42524

                    #24
                    Re: ESPN and Bonds

                    Originally posted by bkrich83
                    Tough to call a player that never could throw a 5 tool player.
                    He is possibly still one of the most accurate throwers in the game. He's no Guerrero or Ichiro, but he can still throw the ball pretty hard if he wanted to (and for a strike).
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                    • Jistic
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 16405

                      #25
                      Re: ESPN and Bonds

                      For the second straight year ESPNews is showing the stupid "Bonds Box" in the bottom right hand corner. All they do is give you updates on his last at bat, or his stat line if a game is over. And they call this "Breaking News"
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                      • bkrich83
                        Has Been
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 71582

                        #26
                        Re: ESPN and Bonds

                        Originally posted by Blzer
                        Sounds good. Your belief, but my personal fact.
                        Sadly, I think you honestly believe that you're not biased.
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                        • bkrich83
                          Has Been
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 71582

                          #27
                          Re: ESPN and Bonds

                          Originally posted by Blzer
                          He is possibly still one of the most accurate throwers in the game. He's no Guerrero or Ichiro, but he can still throw the ball pretty hard if he wanted to (and for a strike).
                          Are you high. He's never shown a very good arm. Hell had he a good arm, Pittsburgh would have had a WS berth in 92.

                          I have never, ever heard one baseball person say anything other than that's his weak point, he's horrible throwing.
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                          • Scottdau
                            Banned
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 32580

                            #28
                            Re: ESPN and Bonds

                            Originally posted by bkrich83
                            Sadly, I think you honestly believe that you're not biased.

                            All I will say is this! Bonds was in a league of his own. Now that he is slowing down, not anymore. He is still up their with the greats Like Ortiz and Albert P. and others. But after this year who know. But he will always get the attention, because steroids or not no one was more dangerous at the plate!

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                            • bkrich83
                              Has Been
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 71582

                              #29
                              Re: ESPN and Bonds

                              Originally posted by Blzer
                              Bonds at his peak was a five-tool easily, and now probably a 3 1/2 - tool.
                              Since Bonds no longer runs, nor has very good range on defense, and never could throw, what exactly are his 3 1/2 tools?

                              He hits for average, he hits for power and what?
                              Last edited by bkrich83; 04-03-2006, 10:02 PM.
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                              • bkrich83
                                Has Been
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 71582

                                #30
                                Re: ESPN and Bonds

                                Originally posted by Scottd
                                All I will say is this! Bonds was in a league of his own. Now that he is slowing down, not anymore. He is still up their with the greats Like Ortiz and Albert P. and others. But after this year who know. But he will always get the attention, because steroids or not no one was more dangerous at the plate!
                                The sad part is was a sure fire hall of famer without cheating. Now everything he has done is tainted.
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