Why doesn't anyone talk about Roger Clemens and steroids?

[ballaholics]

Let's face it. Roger Clemens is taking time off from baseball to clean his body out from steroids. He's doing what Bonds did last season, stepping away from the game to flush free of 'roids.

You can't throw that much heat at the age that he is. Just like Bonds is an anomaly, so is Clemens, yet Roger is the poster boy for baseball, as he and Jeter were the faces of Team USA in the WBC.

Clemens and McGwire were America's poster boys, yet Bonds is shunned. There are racial undertones behind this. They are subtle, but they do exist.

Anyone else think "The Rocket" is on 'roids?

[Misfit]

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They tested all last year and he never failed. I think he isn't playing right now because he knows he can't make 30+ starts anymore and expect to be effective in the playoffs. That and he is only interested in winning another ring and the playoff picture is certainly much clearer in June/July than it is in April.

[cbgatorade0202]

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Let's face it. Roger Clemens is taking time off from baseball to clean his body out from steroids. He's doing what Bonds did last season, stepping away from the game to flush free of 'roids.

You can't throw that much heat at the age that he is. Just like Bonds is an anomaly, so is Clemens, yet Roger is the poster boy for baseball, as he and Jeter were the faces of Team USA in the WBC.

Clemens and McGwire were America's poster boys, yet Bonds is shunned. There are racial undertones behind this. They are subtle, but they do exist.

Anyone else think "The Rocket" is on 'roids?

Geez I guess every Good Major League Player is on Steroids

No I do not think Roger was on roids and I dont think that has anything to do with this, I mean did he not just pitch in the WBC no less then 2 months ago?

[BGarrett7]

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There has never been anything to directly link Clemens to steroid use, that is the huge factor in why he hasn't been burned at the stake like everyone else. Some allegations popped up last season with his name when that whole "two marquee players are also appealing" rumor started when Palmeiro tested positive. But, obviously, that faded away and Clemens came out clean.

I'm going to guess there is nothing under the surface with Clemens sitting out spring training and April. He wanted to see what kind of offer the Astros would make before talking with other teams about a possible comeback, and that wasn't possible until May 1st. I honestly don't think there is anything more to the story than that.

Could he have been on steroids in the past? Given his mirroring of Bonds in statistical explosions at a very old age, yes, I think it is a possibility. But, if there is absolutely no evidence other than that, it's kinda hard to accuse him of it.

[NYJets]

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Let's face it. Roger Clemens is taking time off from baseball to clean his body out from steroids. He's doing what Bonds did last season, stepping away from the game to flush free of 'roids.

You can't throw that much heat at the age that he is. Just like Bonds is an anomaly, so is Clemens, yet Roger is the poster boy for baseball, as he and Jeter were the faces of Team USA in the WBC.

Clemens and McGwire were America's poster boys, yet Bonds is shunned. There are racial undertones behind this. They are subtle, but they do exist.

Anyone else think "The Rocket" is on 'roids?

Because there is proof that Bonds was on steroids.

There's not a lot of evidence on Clemens. He's had 2 of his best years at an old age, but that could have to do with switching leagues, and he hasn't had the huge jump that Bonds did (never hitting 50 homeruns, then hitting 70).

And he played last year and was tested, so I don't know what purpose sitting out this year would have.

[Skerik]

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Bonds is "shunned" because he's an enormous jerk, not because he's black.

[Misfit]

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Also, forgot to mention, Clemens hasn't exactly been blowing guys away these past two years. Rarely do I see his fastball top 92 and he doesn't pile up the K's like he used to. He's been pitching to contact since going ot the NL and getting lots of groundball outs with his 2-seamer and split. If he was still throwing 95-97 consistently then you might here more allegations.

[ballaholics]

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Well, Bonds hasn't failed a steroid test either, or he would be out of the league. They suspect that Bonds takes HGH, which I wouldn't be surprised if that's what Clemens takes too, considering how he throws this late in his career.

[mjb2124]

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There are racial undertones behind this. They are subtle, but they do exist.

Let's not go there. If it goes down this road even remotely, it's getting locked.



Clemens played in the WBC and was subject to Olympic style steroid testing during it. If that didn't detect steroids in his system, then he's not using (as it's a blood test and capable of detecting HGH). If memory serves me correctly, 1 player from Japan tested positive and was sent home from the WBC. The rest were clean.

I don't know if Clemens used in the past or not. I do know that he wasn't linked to BALCO and didn't testify to a grand jury that he used "the cream" and "the clear" like Barry did (although Barry claimed he didn't know what they were). Or state that he used HGH like Jason Giambi did (and Giambi took A TON of heat and booing at first, but overcame it by admitting to it, accepting the boos and not making excuses and then playing harder than he did before to win back fans).

[countryboy]

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Let's face it. Roger Clemens is taking time off from baseball to clean his body out from steroids. He's doing what Bonds did last season, stepping away from the game to flush free of 'roids.

You can't throw that much heat at the age that he is. Just like Bonds is an anomaly, so is Clemens, yet Roger is the poster boy for baseball, as he and Jeter were the faces of Team USA in the WBC.

Clemens and McGwire were America's poster boys, yet Bonds is shunned. There are racial undertones behind this. They are subtle, but they do exist.

Anyone else think "The Rocket" is on 'roids?

I don't think Clemens is on steroids.

Guys, the only reason I firmly believe that Bonds is on steroids has nothing to do with him breaking the record, its the fact that he was involved with an organization that was giving out steroids and the fact that he added a lot of muscle mass at an age where his body should be on the decline.

[GBrushTWood]

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Let's face it. Roger Clemens is taking time off from baseball to clean his body out from steroids. He's doing what Bonds did last season, stepping away from the game to flush free of 'roids.

You can't throw that much heat at the age that he is. Just like Bonds is an anomaly, so is Clemens, yet Roger is the poster boy for baseball, as he and Jeter were the faces of Team USA in the WBC.

Clemens and McGwire were America's poster boys, yet Bonds is shunned. There are racial undertones behind this. They are subtle, but they do exist.

Anyone else think "The Rocket" is on 'roids?

This is one of the worst posts I've ever read. The staggering lack of evidence or any semblance of credibility to broad accusations is unbelieveable here. If I was near this poster, I'd rip out his keyboard, then beat him over the head with it. I really pray this is a troll post, because these kinds of posts cause me to fear for the future of humanity..

[Heelfan71]

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taking time off to clean out his body ????? Steroids don't take that much time to leave your body. Some can be out in 1 weeks time.

[ballaholics]

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This is one of the worst posts I've ever read. The staggering lack of evidence or any semblance of credibility to broad accusations is unbelieveable here. If I was near this poster, I'd rip out his keyboard, then beat him over the head with it. I really pray this is a troll post, because these kinds of posts cause me to fear for the future of humanity..

GBrush,

I don't have empirical data on me while I make my post. This is a web post, not a research paper.

However, Clemens has been suspected in the past of taking steroids, but the problem is, that since MLB governs it's own steroids testing, they don't release information on who got tested when, and what the results were. Baseball needs more transparency in their drug testing.

Now just as Bonds continued to stay dominant in his 40's, so did Clemens. So my rant is more about why Bonds gets so much heat even though he never failed a test, and Clemens gets the free pass from everyone.

So GBrush, you'd beat me over the head with a keyboard if you were near me? Grow up, scum.

[Stu]

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Now just as Bonds continued to stay dominant in his 40's, so did Clemens. So my rant is more about why Bonds gets so much heat even though he never failed a test, and Clemens gets the free pass from everyone.

Because there's proof that Bonds took steroids, whether or not he failed a test. With Clemens that proof doesn't exist, or hasn't been found. It's really that simple. I'm sure if Clemens had been connected with Balco and a guy like Greg Anderson, he'd be right there with Bonds.

[Heelfan71]

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So my rant is more about why Bonds gets so much heat even though he never failed a test, and Clemens gets the free pass from everyone.

I don't think Roger Clemens personal trainer or best friend was busted for Steroids.
I dont think Roger Clemens stats doubled over night like Bonds HR totals.
I don't think Roger Clemens head expanded over night.

Barry Bonds = Steroids
Roger Clemens = Corn Bread :wink: