D-Backs Grimsley implicated in steroids probe

[Scottdau]

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No, I don't have the link on me, but he admitted recieving the cream and clear. He used the products. But his contention is that he did not know that these products were PED.

I worded that wrong I meant to say "people aren't saying he didn't take them"

[rubisco43]

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What else can we do. Sit here and bitch about! The bottom line is it happen, now we need have to deal with it! I do believe baseball is on the right track, but that is because of the Government. So I am sure it will be fix!

Well, first of all, you can talk to these friends about steroids and whatnot... and hope to god that you aren't on them yourself. But I must say, I didn't know your stance on wanting change until this post. Your previous posts made it seem like you had a completely lackidasical stance on steroids... sort of like "oh well, what can we do?", blase attitude towards it.

[Scottdau]

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Well, first of all, you can talk to these friends about steroids and whatnot... and hope to god that you aren't on them yourself. But I must say, I didn't know your stance on wanting change until this post. Your previous posts made it seem like you had a completely lackidasical stance on steroids... sort of like "oh well, what can we do?", blase attitude towards it.

No, I have just accepted it! But they will clean it up and I am glad for that! But I have just come to realize it is a roid era.

[SPTO]

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All I have to say is i'd be very disappointed if Pujols is on performing enhancers. I'm hoping his injury was not due to roids but working on the upper body too much.

[Scottdau]

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All I have to say is i'd be very disappointed if Pujols is on performing enhancers. I'm hoping his injury was not due to roids but working on the upper body too much.

Could be, but I think it has more to do with swinging and missing. At that bat speed, that can cause a lot of pain!

[Psyblast]

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Just read the article at deadspin...wow.

[RahKhem]

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I am not saying kick guys out for the past. What I am saying is lets start using blood tests, urine tests, and taking hair samples. Anyone who fails these tests are out for at least a few years. I am all for giving someone a second chance, but not a third and not after a slap on the wrist for ruining the integrity of America's past-time.

Completely agree with everything here. I just don't think this is what this probe is about. I think this probe is about finding about past usage, and then making a judgment on players based on that. Maybe its because I don't have much faith in this current administration to get it done right, but I feel that they won't take the necessary steps after whatever the results of the probe show, to get rid of the problem.

[Jistic]

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What I LOVE about all of this is that the secret code it being broken.

You get jerks like Ozzie Guillen ripping Grimsley for cooperating with the Feds. THERE IS NO HONOR AMONGST THIEVES. Sooner or later it all comes crashing down and these losers are going to be scramling like cockroaches when the lights are turned on.

This is beyond baseball and 'sport'. This is illegal. Enjoy the show!

[Stu]

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What I LOVE about all of this is that the secret code it being broken.

You get jerks like Ozzie Guillen ripping Grimsley for cooperating with the Feds. THERE IS NO HONOR AMONGST THIEVES. Sooner or later it all comes crashing down and these losers are going to be scramling like cockroaches when the lights are turned on.

This is beyond baseball and 'sport'. This is illegal. Enjoy the show!

Tell me about it. On Baseball Tonight last night Orel Hershiser was saying how he realized steroids were a problem back in the early 90's. Then why didn't anyone say anything about it ?!?!

[Skerik]

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Tell me about it. On Baseball Tonight last night Orel Hershiser was saying how he realized steroids were a problem back in the early 90's. Then why didn't anyone say anything about it ?!?!

Well let's see. Selig knew, but wanted to increase attendance and interest in the game after the '94 strike. The players knew, but better attendance and fan interest was directly tied to the salaries they were able to be paid, so they weren't going to say anything either. Without the strike in '94, I bet the doors would have been blown off this thing a long time ago. But Selig (and the players) needed fans to come back to the game, which was accomplished via the steroid-aided accomplishments of McGwire and Sosa.

Not only did they not do anything about it, they used it, and the fans, to further their own greedy interests. As a fan of the game, I'm offended.

[BGarrett7]

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The more I think about it, the more I seem to realize that steroids and HGH aren't what is ruining baseball, but this whole fraternal mindest amongst the players.

[Skerik]

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The more I think about it, the more I seem to realize that steroids and HGH aren't what is ruining baseball, but this whole fraternal mindest amongst the players.

Going beyond that, the problem is the awesome amount of power that the MLBPA wields. Selig, despite being the commissioner of the sport, is basically a pawn of the MLBPA. I'm sure players in other sports have very fraternal relationships, especially in hockey and football. But what separates the players in those sports from baseball players is that the players in other sports don't essentially run their leagues. The MLBPA runs baseball these days.

[mjb2124]

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Tell me about it. On Baseball Tonight last night Orel Hershiser was saying how he realized steroids were a problem back in the early 90's. Then why didn't anyone say anything about it ?!?!

Problem is, if a player tattles and it's found out that this player did tattle, his career is essentially over. What team is going to take him?

Not to mention the constant hell that player would go through if a team did take him. Beanings, outcast in the lockeroom etc....

If a player tattles, I think he better be very close to hanging them up.

[GBrushTWood]

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The MLBPA runs baseball these days.

No, a small group of 30 something white billionaires runs the sport. The baseball players association is a necessary evil that yields power in order to keep some semblance of balance in the sport, and to subsequently ensure that the owners don't stick it up the cornholes of the players, collectively speaking. Make no mistake about it, if there was no players association, that would be a BAD thing for baseball, and subsequently, the fans.

I think it's laughable that so many folks are pro-owner and anti-player when it comes to many issues in baseball. To be honest, it baffles me that people continue to support a small group of predominantly white, middle aged billionaires over the collective group of multicultural millionaire players that people come to the ballparks to watch (and no, I don't want to start a race argument). Just goes to show you why these owners are billionaires in the first place: they're damn good 'bidnissmen and public relation artists.

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To get back on topic re: the drug usage, I have to strongly disagree with bgarrett's statement that the fraternal mindset amongst the players is the BIG problem at hand.

In my opinion, the fraternal "don't talk" unspoken code amongst the players is problem # 17 on a list of the biggest problems surrounding the drug usage scandal. I think the #1 problem is that Major League Baseball is not currently testing for human growth hormone and amphetamines, to the best of my knowledge. They have made significant strides in the last 2 years in an attempt to stop the usage of steroids, which is definitely very, very good, but it means nothing if the ballplayers can simply start using HGH or amphetamines which aren't being tested for.

So, to summarize, I think if they can somehow come to an agreement with MLBPA regarding including testing of HGH, amphetamines (do such tests even exist???), then the other problems on the list will sort themselves out in due time. The big thing is, they must not let usage go unpunished.

Any talk about the past usage of ballplayers and their records is futile because these players are essentially grandfathered into the old rules where virtually any drugs were legal. A dead end argument that only leads to frustration and no productful outcome, although looking at it from an ethnocentric point of view, if I hear that a Yankee like Leyritz was using, which resulted in the loss of games of the Red Sox, that pisses me off. What can you do though???

[Thrasha]

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The thing I wonder about is if their would be any player with the nuts to step up and agree to an independent blood test to prove he's clean. Something along the lines of what Rick Riley posed to Sosa in 03.

If their is a guy that's going to need to do this, it's going to be Pujols. Especially if their are more dots connected between him and possible HGH use.