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Originally posted by MagicBucsWsoxFanPerhaps growing up around cable TV has desensitized me. Or maybe it's because I'm a hetereosexual Caucasian male whose never been discriminated against. When I read people act like they're actually offended by what Guillen says, more often than not, I believe it's an act. They are more happy that they have a good story rather than their feelings are hurt because they got called a "fag". Which has become an everyday word, and is hardly ever meant to desciminate against gays, and used more in the sense of "dork"
If you don't think fag is an offensive word then I guess this wouldn't offend you. But there are still plenty of people who use fag in its literal, derogatory meaning so I think this should be a big deal.
And by the way, Ozzie knew what he meant when he said it. He's not a dumb guy, just an idiot.Comment
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I highly doubt Ozzie's yelling at the reporter and all a sudden thinks...oh, I hate gay people...im going to call him a ***Comment
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Originally posted by MagicBucsWsoxFanI highly doubt Ozzie's yelling at the reporter and all a sudden thinks...oh, I hate gay people...im going to call him a ***Comment
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Originally posted by MagicBucsWsoxFanI highly doubt Ozzie's yelling at the reporter and all a sudden thinks...oh, I hate gay people...im going to call him a ***Comment
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Originally posted by ExtremeGamerThat word (you know) is most certainly not an everyday word. At least not where I'm from and how I was raised. It's a bashing word, a word that is completely rude and disrepectful towards homosexuals. Just as in other words that could bring down a race or lifestyle, that word is no different. I don't use it, and won't use it. There is no reason for Ozzie to use it, and since I had no respect for him already, unfortunately, he doesn't lose any respect from me.
Well obvious if your at home with the wife your not going to run around screaming the word, but on guys night out, im sure it'll come up at least a few times in a non disrespectful toward gays, kind of way. Yea its rude and disrespectful, but I guess just the way I was brought up I have a sense of humor about it to where it means "dork" and not "i hate all gay people".Comment
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Originally posted by Brandon13830So do I. But Ozzie isn't dumb, he knew what he was saying was an offensive word.Comment
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Originally posted by Brandon13830MLB is a business. In some senses it's no different than any other business. You just can't go around calling reporters fags. Like someone else said, if you were to call a coworker this you would be fired on the spot.
If you don't think fag is an offensive word then I guess this wouldn't offend you. But there are still plenty of people who use fag in its literal, derogatory meaning so I think this should be a big deal.
And by the way, Ozzie knew what he meant when he said it. He's not a dumb guy, just an idiot.
We all have seen a thousand examples of how athletes are held to a different set of rules than the rest of us. For instance, in my office they frown on me spitting sunflower seeds all over the floor and wearing bubble gum on my hat for good luck.
Again, I agree that Ozzie is dead wrong on this, but I would consider his statement to be similar to calling Mariotti a d---head or an a--hole. Not the most appropriate thing to say in public, but I don't consider it quite in the hate crime category.Comment
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Originally posted by maidenvoyageJust for fun, and since I'm a White Sox fan, I'll do my best to rationalize this and make everyone happy.On a side note, I'm not sure how one could describe White Sox fans as Hillbillies. Have you ever been to Chicago? Not a hill to be found. Though I do appreciate the irony of displaying outrage at someone using a derogatory term against a group while referring to another group as "racist hillbillies". Good stuff.
First off, having brought a championship to Chicago, Guillan now pretty much has a free pass from White Sox fans to do or say anything for the rest of his life as long as it's not a direct attack on us as a whole. Now those Sox fans who also happen to be either gay or a bundle of sticks may have a different view right now as is their right to do so. I try to make it a habit not to be offended for other people.
Though I certainly don't condone Ozzie calling anyone a fag, or really any childish name for that matter, I really don't consider it a huge deal. Mostly because it's simply immature and people that play sports for all their adult life aren't by their nature the most mature of people. Even though he's a public figure, I hate to think the words of a baseball manager have much effect on society as a whole. Let's face it, this is what guys do. We're generally immature, especially when we're in or around a locker room.
As far as Mariotti goes, I personally find him to be the worst type of sportswriter. I've never understood how a man who seems to hate every aspect of sports ever got into the business. Does that make it alright to call him names in public? Of course not. However, I do understand why, after so many years of reading the trash Mariotti spews, Guillan would lash out at him. The fact is, he was wrong in doing so. He'll likely apologize. The world as we know it will keep turning.
For all those who are highly offended by Guillan as a whole and will now hate him for all time I have to ask two questions. First, would you as a sports fan prefer that every coach and player give us all stock answers pulled from the same "meaningless answers to sports interview questions," or do you find some amount of entertainment in hearing such classic comments as Guillan trying to prove he has gay friends by saying he has attended WNBA games and Maddona concerts? I look to sports for entertainment and Ozzie is nothing if not entertaining. Like Ditka before him, he definitely seems the type that will likely step on one too many toes and we will be happy to see him on his way in a few years, but such is life. Second, if you have you ever had a friend or family member use the term "fag" to describe someone in a less than complimentory fashion do you still hold it against them to this day?
Okay, I tried to do the best job a racist hillbilly is capable of.
Yes, I've been to plenty Sox games, although I'm a Cub fan.
I know how those idiots are. There are too many of these white trash a-holes who think they are tough by screaming at the top of their lungs and saying stupid sh*t.
Did you not see the father-son white trash tag team a couple years ago? Yeah they're tough, lets go beat up a 65 year old man who can barely walk. What about the dude who tried to take on an umpire??
Don't try and question my loyalties and ties to Chicago. I was born and raised here.
The whole point is that Ozzie thinks he can say whatever he wants. The truth is, is that he is an uneducated pr*ck who thinks he is untouchable. For the last time this is not Venezuela. We hold different standards here. When he finally gets this through that steel plate he calls for a head, he will find less problems from the media and fans.Comment
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This could be a good topic for Around the Horn.
Buy or Sell Mariotti as a "***"
im sorry, but I have no love loss for mr.bandwagon mariotti.Comment
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Originally posted by KDogg2345Yes, I'm from Chicago.
Yes, I've been to plenty Sox games, although I'm a Cub fan.
I know how those idiots are. There are too many of these white trash a-holes who think they are tough by screaming at the top of their lungs and saying stupid sh*t.
Did you not see the father-son white trash tag team a couple years ago? Yeah they're tough, lets go beat up a 65 year old man who can barely walk. What about the dude who tried to take on an umpire??
Don't try and question my loyalties and ties to Chicago. I was born and raised here.
The whole point is that Ozzie thinks he can say whatever he wants. The truth is, is that he is an uneducated pr*ck who thinks he is untouchable. For the last time this is not Venezuela. We hold different standards here. When he finally gets this through that steel plate he calls for a head, he will find less problems from the media and fans.
But,,,,i went back and read the end...and we hold different standards? I highly doubt that because I hear the word he used ALL the time.
Ozzie is too easily baited, hes become a show for the media. It takes bigger balls to take the high road than it does to sling words. Unfortunately, Ozzie was brought up to never turn the other cheek and that will never change. And Im glad hes the manager of the White Sox.Comment
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Originally posted by KDogg2345Yes, I'm from Chicago.
Yes, I've been to plenty Sox games, although I'm a Cub fan.
I know how those idiots are. There are too many of these white trash a-holes who think they are tough by screaming at the top of their lungs and saying stupid sh*t.
Originally posted by KDogg2345Did you not see the father-son white trash tag team a couple years ago? Yeah they're tough, lets go beat up a 65 year old man who can barely walk. What about the dude who tried to take on an umpire??
Originally posted by KDogg2345Don't try and question my loyalties and ties to Chicago. I was born and raised here.
Originally posted by KDogg2345The whole point is that Ozzie thinks he can say whatever he wants. The truth is, is that he is an uneducated pr*ck who thinks he is untouchable. For the last time this is not Venezuela. We hold different standards here. When he finally gets this through that steel plate he calls for a head, he will find less problems from the media and fans.Comment
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Originally posted by maidenvoyageWhile that may be the point it certainly isn't one you attempted to make. Again, why is it so bad for Ozzie to name call while you refer to him as an "uneducated pr*ck"?Comment
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Originally posted by MassNoleIt was only directed at Jay Mariotti who I am sure has done something to Guillen to provoke it.Comment
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