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  • ryanm1058123
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    • Jan 2004
    • 3628

    #16
    Re: Green now a Met..

    he had the same production as endy chavez and chavez plays better D. he's slow and doesn't hit for power anymore. hes great

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    • Knight165
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      • Feb 2003
      • 24964

      #17
      Re: Green now a Met..

      Originally posted by ryanm1058123
      Endy Chavez OPS: .768
      Shawn Green OPS: .778

      Shawn Green is actually a worse player than Endy Chavez if you also add the fact that Chavez plays some good D. What exactly does this trade accomplish?
      What makes you think he will replace Chavez? If Floyd is going to be out for a while.....Chavez will be in LF POSSIBLY splitting time with Milledge with Green in LF.....so it will be Chavez....Beltran....Green. Milledge will be giving both Chavez and Green a day off.
      Any way you look at it...the Mets added a veteran player for basically nobody and most importantly, some insurance in case Floyd is out for any real length of time.

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      • Pmorr41
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        #18
        Re: Green now a Met..

        Originally posted by ryanm1058123
        he had the same production as endy chavez and chavez plays better D. he's slow and doesn't hit for power anymore. hes great
        Stop now, as much as I like Endy Chavez he is not a full-time player, and if he is he's not a very good one.

        I'd take Green anyday over Chavez in the outfield on his name alone.

        Green's Line - AB: 417, AVG: .283, HR: 11, RBI: 51, BB: 37, Runs: 59, Hits: 118

        Chavez' Line - AB: 250, AVG: 296, HR: 3, RBI: 31, BB 16, Runs: 37, Hits: 74

        Green's average had dipped under .300 only this month, before he was batting above .300 for all games except 4.
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        • ryanm1058123
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          • Jan 2004
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          #19
          Re: Green now a Met..

          Originally posted by Pmorr41
          Stop now, as much as I like Endy Chavez he is not a full-time player, and if he is he's not a very good one.

          I'd take Green anyday over Chavez in the outfield on his name alone.

          Green's Line - AB: 417, AVG: .283, HR: 11, RBI: 51, BB: 37, Runs: 59, Hits: 118

          Chavez' Line - AB: 250, AVG: 296, HR: 3, RBI: 31, BB 16, Runs: 37, Hits: 74

          Green's average had dipped under .300 only this month, before he was batting above .300 for all games except 4.

          all shawn green has is name alone anymore. he is not an everyday type player anymore and endy chavez is a better option than him nowadays.

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          • CMH
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            • Oct 2002
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            #20
            Re: Green now a Met..

            Originally posted by Pmorr41
            Stop now, as much as I like Endy Chavez he is not a full-time player, and if he is he's not a very good one.

            I'd take Green anyday over Chavez in the outfield on his name alone.
            That's exactly the reason why you shouldn't trade for a player.

            On his name alone? That's not smart.
            "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

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            • Knight165
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              • Feb 2003
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              #21
              Re: Green now a Met..

              Originally posted by YankeePride_YP
              That's exactly the reason why you shouldn't trade for a player.

              On his name alone? That's not smart.
              Does anyone else find this EXCEPTIONALLY humorous coming from a poster whose team has done this for almost two decades now!

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              • Fiddy
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                #22
                Re: Green now a Met..

                this deal added depth in case of cliff being done for a longer time...how on earth is this bad? lol yes green isnt the same old player he was, but added depth and vet leadership is great!! they didnt deal for him b/c they thought he could carry the team on his back, good grief!!
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                • CMH
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                  • Oct 2002
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                  #23
                  Re: Green now a Met..

                  Originally posted by Knight165
                  Does anyone else find this EXCEPTIONALLY humorous coming from a poster whose team has done this for almost two decades now!

                  M.K.
                  Knight165
                  It would be if I actually ran the club.

                  I never said the Yankees make smart moves so your comment is irrelevant.
                  "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                  "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                  • CMH
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                    • Oct 2002
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                    #24
                    Re: Green now a Met..

                    Originally posted by Fiddy
                    this deal added depth in case of cliff being done for a longer time...how on earth is this bad? lol yes green isnt the same old player he was, but added depth and vet leadership is great!! they didnt deal for him b/c they thought he could carry the team on his back, good grief!!

                    I don't think anyone said the trade was bad.

                    The worst I've heard (and this is from me) is that it makes no sense when the Mets already had Nady and traded him away. To trade for Green, a player with similar production this season and costing a bit more, the Mets basically took a step backward.

                    However, someone then reminded me that the Mets traded Nady because they needed bullpen help with their star reliever Duaner Sanchez lost to injury. So, I retracted agreeing that the Mets had to move Nady because the bullpen was obviously more important. Trading for Green now gets the Mets back to where they were in July only now with an extra reliever.

                    That's good stuff and the Mets have the money to pay the small portion of Green's contract.
                    "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                    "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                    • nyisles16
                      All Star
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 8317

                      #25
                      Re: Green now a Met..

                      i think it was a good deal.... first of all, playing Endy everyday may get to him.. leave him in a platoon in left with Tucker & let Green play RF.. also secondly, Lastings can't be counted on yet to be a full time hitter... the Mets dont need another power bat right now.. a nice solid singles hitter would do fine in the 6 - spot...

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                      • nyisles16
                        All Star
                        • Apr 2003
                        • 8317

                        #26
                        Re: Green now a Met..

                        Originally posted by YankeePride_YP
                        I don't think anyone said the trade was bad.

                        The worst I've heard (and this is from me) is that it makes no sense when the Mets already had Nady and traded him away. To trade for Green, a player with similar production this season and costing a bit more, the Mets basically took a step backward.

                        However, someone then reminded me that the Mets traded Nady because they needed bullpen help with their star reliever Duaner Sanchez lost to injury. So, I retracted agreeing that the Mets had to move Nady because the bullpen was obviously more important. Trading for Green now gets the Mets back to where they were in July only now with an extra reliever.

                        That's good stuff and the Mets have the money to pay the small portion of Green's contract.


                        good point yankeepride... question is now, (hindsight).. did the Mets really need to get Hernandez & Perez for Nady?

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                        • jLp_vAkEr0
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                          • Sep 2002
                          • 1506

                          #27
                          Re: Green now a Met..

                          Originally posted by nyisles16
                          good point yankeepride... question is now, (hindsight).. did the Mets really need to get Hernandez & Perez for Nady?
                          Minaya couldn't take the chance of not replacing Duaner, specially if he got the opportunity to bring back a guy that pitched great for us last year.

                          As it stands, Heillman has done a great job replacing Duaner while Rob is basically getting Heillman's 7th inning duties.

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                          • CMH
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                            #28
                            Re: Green now a Met..

                            Originally posted by jLp_vAkEr0
                            Minaya couldn't take the chance of not replacing Duaner, specially if he got the opportunity to bring back a guy that pitched great for us last year.

                            As it stands, Heillman has done a great job replacing Duaner while Rob is basically getting Heillman's 7th inning duties.
                            That is basically my answer.

                            Roberto Hernandez was solid for New York last year and is doing just as solid right now (did he give up a homerun because opponents are only hitting .167 against him, but he has an ERA nearly at 4. 4 hits and three earned runs screams one mistake to a hitter).
                            "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                            "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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