Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

[The C]

Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

The biggest reason, in my opinion, is the ability to get a 26 year old MLB ready starter who has the capability to be a number one starter, without giving up ANY talent. That is the lure here. They are just giving up money here. It's not my money, so I think this is great.

But with that money you could buy like 30 Marlin or Royals players.

[AI_Franchise]

Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

Not to mention one upping the yanks.

:y4:
Good thing you're not a Red Sox fan....
:y4:

[skitch]

Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

But with that money you could buy like 30 Marlin or Royals players.

Why the hell would you want any of them?

[chippered]

Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

:y4:
Good thing you're not a Red Sox fan....
:y4:

Heh, not dissing either teams fans, but it's war between Steinbrener and Lucciuno (sp).

[Thrasha]

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Heh, not dissing either teams fans, but it's war between Steinbrener and Lucciuno (sp).

Ironically, at this stage of Steinbrenner's life he probably doesn't even know who Larry Luchino is.

[chippered]

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Ironically, at this stage of Steinbrenner's life he probably doesn't even know who Larry Luchino is.

Yeah, your probably right, especially this time of year. In all seriousness, I really do think somethings wrong with him. The team is trimming payroll in an attemp to add some big names. Usually they just add a bunch of big names and sort out the mess afterwards. They actually resemble a team being run by a competent front office this offseason.

[GBrushTWood]

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Heh, not dissing either teams fans, but it's war between Steinbrener and Lucciuno (sp).

Again, probably part of the decision making process, but not a primary reason. Obviously the Yankees being in the same division and having bottomless wallets factors into how much the Red Sox bid, but I really doubt it is anything personal at this point between the two organizations. As another posted said, I doubt Steinbrenner cares all that much at this point about making Lucchino look bad.

Biggest reason for blowing this money: getting a 26 year old MLB ready (we think) pitcher who throws 91-96 with late movement on his fastball plus very effective second and third pitches for ONLY money.

[Beantown]

Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

Don't forget he's bringing the gyroball to the US...whether that's a good or bad thing.

[SPTO]

Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

Don't forget he's bringing the gyroball to the US...whether that's a good or bad thing.

I wonder if any managers will ask the umps to check his glove/hands for illegal substances

[mjb2124]

Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

Don't forget he's bringing the gyroball to the US...whether that's a good or bad thing.

From what I've seen and read of that pitch, I think it's a slow cut fastball.

[Beantown]

Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

From what I've seen and read of that pitch, I think it's a slow cut fastball.

But it's got such a cool name it may confuse hitters

[poster]

Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

I wish the Cubs would have won the bidding. Money is money. They have alot of it, and it doesn't count against the cap. Just shows willingness to want to win. It was worth the gamble for Boston regardless of what happens.

[P2K]

Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

Don't forget he's bringing the gyroball to the US...whether that's a good or bad thing.

Gyroball? Is that served up with tomatoes, onions and feta cheese?

[SPTO]

Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

From what I've seen and read of that pitch, I think it's a slow cut fastball.

Here's info to refresh our memories. It's from a thread that AF did

Description of the pitch:

"...the short version is that instead of using the linear kinetic chain that’s the subject of American research, the Japanese attempt to coordinate two circular motions...the ball comes at the hitter looking like a hanging curve and then takes a hard, flat turn away from a right-handed batter."

and here's a link with a video of the pitch

http://www.rotoauthority.com/2005/10/daisuke_matsuza.html

That doesn't sound or look like a slow cut fastball to me.

[mjb2124]

Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

Here's info to refresh our memories. It's from a thread that AF did

Description of the pitch:

"...the short version is that instead of using the linear kinetic chain that’s the subject of American research, the Japanese attempt to coordinate two circular motions...the ball comes at the hitter looking like a hanging curve and then takes a hard, flat turn away from a right-handed batter."

and here's a link with a video of the pitch

http://www.rotoauthority.com/2005/10/daisuke_matsuza.html

That doesn't sound or look like a slow cut fastball to me.

The spin looks like that of a cutter (from the Matsuzaka video). It's also thrown in a similar manner by the way his wrist is during release.

The video of the high school kid is too far away to really see much, but it looked like a big curveball to me.