Marcus Giles released

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Marcus Giles released

I would rather have Marcus starting at second base than Todd Walker, simply because I think Marcus is capable of putting up numbers similar to what Josh Barfield put up last season.

At the time we traded Barfield for Kouzmanoff, I'm pretty sure we created a hole in second base and we'd have a tough time filling it in while improving our team. I'm glad that KT didn't jump out and trade for Giles since this happened (I had no clue Giles had the potential in being a free agent this season).

It's huge that we can keep a trading chip in a situation that went as well as this, and hopefully they can trade Linebrink and a few players to fill in that LF hole.

[TDO]

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this is probably a good signing, but i dont think any team should have paid what the braves would have had to to keep him. at 6+ mil he's just not worth it even with the crazy signings. under 5 is a good deal, especially for a player that has declining stats each year.


Good move by padres

decent move by braves

[McCarroll21]

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this is probably a good signing, but i dont think any team should have paid what the braves would have had to to keep him. at 6+ mil he's just not worth it even with the crazy signings. under 5 is a good deal, especially for a player that has declining stats each year.


Good move by padres

decent move by braves

Bad move by the Braves. I understand not going to arbitration, but to not even offer him a contract afterwards is ridiculous. He is going to get paid less in San Diego next year than he got this past season in Atlanta -- well depending on his incentives and if he reaches them. Still, I understand not going to arbitration out of fear he would get $6M or close to it, but I would have had to offer him the $3.85M he was paid last season and hope for the best.

Oh well, at least I can still root for him in San Diego, I'm not sure if I could have if he had went to the Mets.

[TDO]

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i dont think he's that good of a player. he's declined every season offensively and then there was the steroid rumors floating around....

[dalnet22]

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i dont think he's that good of a player. he's declined every season offensively and then there was the steroid rumors floating around....

A major league organization can not be stupid enough to release a quality, previously all-star second baseman without good reason. There must have been a good reason we're not privy to.

[rsox]

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John Schuerholz and the Braves are saying the reason was financial.The team is yet to be sold and they can not exceed their $80 million dollar payroll, Giles would have put them over.

With Giles in the fold in San Diego the Padres do nit have to find a leadoff hitter to play LF they can focus on finding a Left Fielder to hit lower in the order. Cliff Floyd is a possibility as could be one-time Padre Rondell White, White could at least platoon with Termmel Sledge in LF.

[BatsareBugs]

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I think Floyd would be the only player the Padres consider since they did do the same with Mike Piazza, a guy whose value was low at the time but ended up producing very well.

However, has Floyd had a full season where he's been healthy? I'd rather have Terrmel Sledge and Russell Branyan... (sigh).

The best option for the Padres in LF is to trade for someone that could fill in for a couple of years until Chase Headley is ready, then move Kevin Kouzmanoff (if he's still relevent) to LF.

Such a big hole and mess by the Padres with their LF situation, given that it was pretty much known DR wasn't coming back and they put too many eggs in their basket hoping to trade for Sheffield as their replacement and they didn't have a plan B.

The trades for the relievers earlier along with Kouzmanoff was supposed to set up a trade for a LF that involved Linebrink, but when that didn't happen, the Padres were stuck dead in the water and I think that's where their offseason went awry. The best they can do is salvage it with signing Giles and hoping one of their guys can come up big since they couldn't get the big bat they wanted.

[TDO]

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With Giles in the fold in San Diego the Padres do nit have to find a leadoff hitter to play LF they can focus on finding a Left Fielder to hit lower in the order. Cliff Floyd is a possibility as could be one-time Padre Rondell White, White could at least platoon with Termmel Sledge in LF.

Giles is not a good lead off hitter. he hates doing it and isnt afraid to complain...he'll be average batting lead-off for you just an fyi

[dalnet22]

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Would the Padres give up Linebrink for Jacque Jones from the Cubs?

[USF11]

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Neither of the Giles brothers have been the same since they got off the juice.

[rsox]

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Would the Padres give up Linebrink for Jacque Jones from the Cubs?

Considering that they have been trying to trade Linebrink all winter i guess it is possible.

[rsox]

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Neither of the Giles brothers have been the same since they got off the juice.

And you can prove this how?

Consider that Marcus Giles has only been a regular player for 4 seasons, one of which he missed 60 games due to injury. Yes his batting average and slugging percentage have dropped quite a bit the rest of his numbers are fairly consistant. in the 3 of the last 4 years he has hit at least 11 HR's, drove in at least 60 Runs and had 30+ Doubles. Most teams don't get those numbers out of their Second Baseman.

As for Brian Giles: lets forget that he went from a hitter friendly park in Pittsburgh to a pitcher friendly park in San Diego, that could have nothing to do with his drop off in power. He has still driven in at least 80 Runs in 8 straight seasons, thats not exactly terrible.

[BatsareBugs]

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Considering that they have been trying to trade Linebrink all winter i guess it is possible.

Very true, I'm surprised that Linebrink is still on the team considering the rumors that have been swirling. IMO his value is very high and now is the time to trade him before he pitches bad enough to lower that value.

He didn't pitch that well last year as a set up man.

[BatsareBugs]

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And you can prove this how?

Consider that Marcus Giles has only been a regular player for 4 seasons, one of which he missed 60 games due to injury. Yes his batting average and slugging percentage have dropped quite a bit the rest of his numbers are fairly consistant. in the 3 of the last 4 years he has hit at least 11 HR's, drove in at least 60 Runs and had 30+ Doubles. Most teams don't get those numbers out of their Second Baseman.

As for Brian Giles: lets forget that he went from a hitter friendly park in Pittsburgh to a pitcher friendly park in San Diego, that could have nothing to do with his drop off in power. He has still driven in at least 80 Runs in 8 straight seasons, thats not exactly terrible.

I really hate how a drop off in production suddenly equates to being a steroid user. Keep in mind Brian Giles is 36 and well-passed his prime. I usually choose not to stick up for a player who has been outproduced by the components that were traded for him, but let's bring up stats.

Year Age Team G Avg HR XBH OBP OPS
1999 28 PIT 141 .315 39 75 .418 1.032
2000 29 PIT 156 .315 35 79 .432 1.026
2001 30 PIT 160 .309 37 81 .404 0.994
2002 31 PIT 153 .298 38 80 .450 1.072
2003 32 TOT 134 .299 20 60 .427 0.941
2004 33 SDP 159 .284 23 63 .374 0.849
2005 34 SDP 158 .301 15 61 .423 0.906
2006 35 SDP 158 .263 14 52 .374 0.771

Giles had his best seasons with Pittsburgh, but suffered an injury in 2003, the year that he was traded to us in San Diego. Petco Park opened in 2004 and Brian Giles still produced. Last year he did poorly though, but he was 35. The lack of homeruns has more to do with Petco Park's vast RF than it does with Brian Giles' decline.

BTW if Giles did use steroids during those Pittsburgh years, explain to me why in this day in age of stricter testing has he played in almost every game the past three seasons? Wouldn't the use of steroids end up bogging him down eventually?

Now for Marcus I do not know because I do not follow the Braves, but I can tell you in Brian's case that nothing has changed except for age catching up to him. I knew at trading for him at age 32 that he won't be able to match those numbers in Pittsburgh, regardless of how Petco Park was going to play out as. Unless you're Barry Bonds, people usually peak out between 30-33 before hitting a decline.

[McCarroll21]

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Braves fan here, I'm not going to say Marcus was using, but his numbers have dropped off a bit. I think he'll have a resurgence in SD, if they bat him 2nd. I read where they talked about he may leadoff, that's a mistake waiting to happen. He hates leading off and that's part of why his numbers were so bad last year.

With the big gaps in that ballpark, Giles shouldn't have any problem getting back up to 40 doubles. All of you Padre fans will come to think very highly of him. I'm going to miss him. He truly loves to play the game, and you'll be able to see that the first time he steps on the field.